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Discussion in 'Hound' started by Susan, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. FionaS

    FionaS New Member Registered

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    I have had an ongoing battle with my little Iggy Maya with a dodgy tum and the runs. She was diagnosed with campylbacter a while ago (after lots of tooing and frooing to the vets) the vets thought she had an infection due to her spay, and was also put on hills veterinary science diet id (v expensive). She will eat a lot of rubbish while out, sheep poo, dead carcesses, well anything she can find!!

    I have recently started feeding raw food and at the moment all of mine are on the Natural Instinct. Maya is the picture of health with a shiny coat and bright white teeth. They are all doing fantastic and i am really pleased.

    I was going to do raw by myself but wanted to ease myself into it and also wanted to make sue that no meat i had for the dogs was factory farmed. I think that everyone should do what best for them and there dogs. Susan i hope your boys continue to do well and get better and better, as far as dry food go, i found James Beloved to be quite good for Maya, though the fish and potato was no good for her and she lost weight on this. Mine were on arden grange performance before and did well on this aswell. As other said each dog is different and its trial and error to find what suits them and you aswell. Kee


    p us updated on their progress
     
  2. bertha

    bertha New Member Registered

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    Natural Instinct is great stuff, I get the minced chicken carcass for mine, they love it. Nice to know it is all best quality meat and veg. I can't afford to give it to them every day, so we alternate with good quality pet mince from my butcher at 30p a pound, chicken wings for their teeth, lamb ribs when available and beef bones. Plus sprats, veg, the odd egg. They also have toasted wholemeal crusts, and quality wholemeal mixer. Mine do well on this and look good. Each to his own.
     
  3. Happy Humber

    Happy Humber New Member Registered

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    Nature diet is a good thing to use if they are prone to tummy trouble but it is quite expensive
     
  4. Susan

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    Both dogs had a normal poos today,,for once the garden hose was not used (w00t)

    Im going to get more of the vet food,,maybe 2 bags this time as 1 bag just lasts a week,,thinking about the Hills dry vet food,,it's £60 a bag,,but if it helps its worth it. Going to have a word with the vet,,not taking the dogs as Robbie just shakes at the vet and Gizmo barks all the time,,not worming them at the mo,,im sure they dont have worms,,will leave it for now.

    I want to put them onto another cheeper food (Hills) but as slow as possible,,even if it takes a month or more,,just want the dogs to thrive and be happy,,they not ill or look unhappy,,Gizmo is acting like a pup again,,ragging his snuggle bed and Robbie watching for cats at the window.

    Just hope they will eat the other food,,what ever we decide to buy.
     
  5. JAX

    JAX New Member Registered

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    Thats good news, pleased the special vet diet has worked. try buying it on line rather than from your vets . it usually works out cheaper :thumbsup:
     
  6. ~Annie~

    ~Annie~ New Member Registered

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    I have a friend with an animal feed shop who has visited most of the manufacturers production facilities and will only sell the foods that she is convinced are produced to the highest standards and ethically. She won't sell Hills. But she swears by Skinners Field and Trial Duck and Rice or Salmon and Rice for dogs with sensitive tums. I know there are so many kibbles to choose from that it can be very confusing deciding which to buy, but I really would highly recommend the Skinners, I use both myself. It is hypoallergenic and maize free, and maize can be a trigger for digestive problems in dogs. It is also marketed as a working dog food so is sold vat free. You can read about Skinners products here, http://www.skinnerspetfoods.co.uk/products...Trial-Products/

    As to the raw versus kibble debate :nuke: My dogs are fed raw in as much as they get raw tripe, lambs hearts and the occasional minced lamb meal, but I simply do not have the freezer space for feeding 4 soon to be 5 dogs raw all the time. So they also get the Skinners (dry), Nature Diet (wet), and plenty of sardines, natural yoghurt, the occasional egg, left over cooked veg, cooked chicken (no bones), an evening primrose oil capsule daily, and a meaty bone from time to time. I also use the CSJ Billy No Mates like Eve, and their Resist for my dachshund who is prone to pyoderma. The comments on my lads condition in my recent Spindletree boys pics thread speak for the fact that they are doing more than well on this diet. And their teeth are white too. And if we ever get upset tums it's because someone's eaten something foul on the beach (yes, I'm talking about you Taran :x ). I suppose what I'm saying is that imho we all have to find what works best for our circumstances and for our dogs, and so long as people are well enough informed to make sensible choices and their dogs are fit and well we should be respecting, even celebrating our differences. Equally where folk need a little guidance the more experienced of us should surely endeavour to educate people on the pros and cons of all possibilites and facilitate their decision making that way :thumbsup:

    As I'm sure you've worked out Susan feelings can run high in the Barf versus manufactured foods debate, but whatever food/feedine regime you decide to move your dogs on to, good luck :luck:
     
  7. ~Sarah~

    ~Sarah~ Active Member Registered

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    Just wanted to say what an excellent post - very informative and clearly explained. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
     
  8. Susan

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    My feeling on raw food,,my dogs wont eat it,,wish they would lol,,used to feed raw tripe to the dogs 20 odd yrs agao,,what a smell.

    Anyway,,got 5kg of the vet food today,,went to pets at home they dont sell Hills,,think it can only be bought on line,,they did sell a james wellbeloved or a name like that,,as Im just back on as lost the internet all day,,going to look at what they sell,,not had time to look at the links,,but will.

    The vet is happy with he dogs,,I an too :thumbsup:
     
  9. Whippets Rule

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    try vetuk online for Hills, they often have offers on certain size bags.

    Really glad the dogs have settled and the vet is pleased with their progress...long may it continue.
     
  10. Susan

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    Thank you,,Im so glad their tummys have settled also,,not nice seeing the blood in the poo's,,this problem been going on around a year now,,dont mind paying for the vet food as it does work out a lot cheeper than chicken and pasta,,Will look at the links tomorrow,,if this internet stays on as having big probs just now,,but the vet food is okay for now,,so will do my homework very soon,,with any luck the boys will have a good diet and no more vet bills for me (w00t) ,,im not against Raw diet,,never said at any time I was,,just my 2 wont eat raw food,,,a lot of folk on k9 know me and the 2 dogs,,,I would sell my house for the dogs and do try to feed them what I can afford,,the best as money never a problem,,we seem to find it even for a £2500 vet bill ,,,broken leg,,Colt,,all paid now,,did take a wee while,,but it was paid for,,my dogs are part of the family,,they not the same as my kids,,but bloody close to them.

    Thanks again for the pm's about food etc and the posts here as I do think it will help others,,who search for answers :thumbsup:
     
  11. wild whippies

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    Hi Susan, read your comments elsewhere so came on for a nosey. (w00t)

    I noticed you fed pasta and Bakers and just wanted to suggest that gluten intolerance / allergies may be the likely culprits. Grains likely to cause an allergic reaction are wheat (pasta) and corn (I suspect both might be in the Bakers, they're not too forth coming in declaring their ingrediants on their website - sent me to a quiz??!!) :wacko:

    Most high quality dog feeds, particularly those aimed at dogs suffering from allergies use rice and barley as their sources of carbohydrate. Additionally their protein sources are of a high quality source and unlikely to stress the digestion system in their utilisation. It's also the reason why many think BARF is so effective. Feeds I consider to be high quality sources are Royal Canin, James Wellbeloved, Wainwrights, Arden Grange etc. Your best bet is to looks for a minimum meat content AND what that the meat source is e.g. Lamb.

    Hope the hounds are keeping well :luck:
     
  12. marielou

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    I too have a dog with a very sensitive system although all the others seem fine. I have been feeding the Skinners hypoallergenic Duck and Rice now for a couple of years and I am really pleased with it.

    We've also just had a new pup, always a worry feed wise and I've gone for something new to me being Natures Harvest. This is a wet food with none of the rubbish associated with a lot of feeds and I must say I am so impressed, pup is thriving and his stools have been totally stable from day one.

    Wish you all the best with the lads Susan, these whippets sure do get under your skin. :)
     
  13. eve

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    Best pet Pharmacy stock just about everything including Hills. They sell Drontal wormers much cheaper than the vets and equine things too. Delivery is free on orders over 29.00

    Here is the link http://www.bestpetpharmacy.co.uk/index.asp

    Pets at home are a rip off. Petplanet is quite good for some things
     
  14. masta

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    Ive kept running dogs 30+ years and never had a dog with eating/colitis problems, my dad bred and worked BC's and labs also no probs many friends with decades of breeding,owning and working dogs no problems the common denominator wes all feed raw the people i know that have dog with these problems(my sister is one) have 1 thing in common every dog they have owned has stomach problems and also were they have more than 1 dog then all the dogs have the problem, you only have to read these threads to see the same posters discussing the same problems.

    My take on this is that it is not a breed/dog problem its an owner problem, feeding 8 week old pups a range of different processed foods chopping and changing stressing that they are picky leads to problems

    My pups 4 weeks old having there 1st meal raw mince they will have a range of raw food and mums milk for the next 4 weeks until they go to their new homes with a diet sheet, the owners that follow that advice are generally trouble free, the ones that ring a week later in a panic are the " No i didnt bother with the raw i give him weetabix and milk for breakfast?? and complete but he's not eating and im worried etc etc. unfortuneately you can not make owners follow your instructions only instill that the pups have been fed a certain way for 4 weeks for a reason and that isto give them the best start possible and if they want their dog to grow healthy and happy then they should feed the same way

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  15. ~Sarah~

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    Whilst I am sure that feeding raw is probably the best way to feed our dogs, some people don't always have the lifestyle/facilities to be able to do so. Also, I feel that some people worry when feeding BARF that they are giving their dogs the correct balanced diet, whereas feeding a good quality dried food takes that worry away.

    Although I would quite like to feed BARF, I don't for a variety of reasons:

    My OH looks after the dogs on occasions when I am not home, and he does not want to feed raw.

    We don't have enough freezer space to buy in bulk, and nowhere to put a large freezer.

    OH is retired, so we have caravan and narrowboat hols, and there is not the freezer/fridge space to cope. OH recently spent 2 months on the narrowboat with Bobby, and would struggle to buy raw food, but can easily take a bag of dried with him.

    I stay with relatives and the dogs come too, and it would not be practical to take raw food.

    Whilst I appreciate Bakers and other similar brands are poor quality, there are other good quality dried foods that are often mentioned on here.

    I do feel those of us who do not feed raw are made to feel a bit guilty that we are not doing the best for our dogs.
     
  16. masta

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    'when feeding BARF that they are giving their dogs the correct balanced diet'

    dogs are canines/carnivours raw IS their correct balanced diet that is why they do so well on it i accept that everyone has a right to feed as they wish, and as long as my dogs are fed right thats fine, but when i see people saying they can not feed raw because of freezer space and struggling to buy raw it puzzles me what do you buy for your own diet? bags of dried food? do you not buy meat at the butcher or supermarket i have 6 dogs and we both work full time as well as having a 3 year old daughter and i could easily feed them all without a freezer
     
  17. ~Sarah~

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    I did say 'some people worry when feeding BARF' - not me personally, as I think I could provide them with a balanced diet.

    I mentioned lack of freezer space as being one of a number of reasons for not feeding BARF, but the main reason I suppose is my OHs reluctance. I would be interested to know how you would store the meat for 6 dogs safely without using a fridge or freezer, particularly during the very hot weather we have had? As I explained, when we are in the caravan or narrowboat, there is very little fridge/freezer space, and it's hard to find butchers or supermarkets along the canal towpath!!

    I know people who feed BARF are passionate about it and that is great, but I just wish they could see that it is not necessarily appropriate for everyone, and it would be nice if those who chose to feed in a different way were not made to feel bad about it. :angry:
     
  18. nina

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    Now they are what i call glowing with health, plump, well reared pups. :thumbsup:

     

    I have been feeding raw now for a good few years but before that i struggled endlessly swapping from cooked diets of chicken & lamb & liver with mixer plus trying all the dry diets under the sun including the vet recommended ones. With IG's that were prone to delicate tummies nothing really seemed to work. I would listen to people telling me how wonderful the latest new dry food was & how well their dogs were doing on it but it just didnt work for mine. Half of them had no interest whatsoever in crunching up dried tasteless biscuit. The one's that would eat it, i found their coats became dry & lack lustre & they just didnt have the the general condition that i like to see on a show dog or any dog come to that. Also their teeth were bloody awful too.

     

    I then started to gradually introduce the raw, starting with a lamb tripe mix, progressing to raw chicken wings, meaty lamb rib bones, marrow bones, turkey necks etc, i have to say the dogs all have gleaming coats & i NEVER have an upset tummy even with the ig's & their teeth are fantastic.

     

    I just personally think that dry diets have become a way of life for many folk because its easy, there is no time, work or effort involved in opening a packet & pouring biscuits into a bowl.

     

    In reality raw food is no more effort at all, yes it's easier if you have a freezer but most people even if they dont have room in their kitchen have a utility room, garage, outhouse, shed, porch etc, if you only have one or a couple of dogs you dont need an Iceland sized job!

     

    In my opinion feeding just dry biscuits to a dog just isn't natural it isn't their natural diet & whilst vets assure us that they are packed with this vitamin & that it's a bit like a scientist producing a tablet form of food for us & saying they are the equivalent of steak & chips or roast chicken etc, they may contain all the vitamins we need but will our bodies want to tolerate them & how will they react long term & in all honesty how much would we enjoy them?????

     

    I think it's everyone's right to feed their dogs how they think best, my only point would be, in all the posts where folk are asking for help because their dog has a tummy problem or wont eat or is allergic to something or doesn't have a good coat etc etc they are NEVER dogs fed on a raw diet.

     

    PS. edited to apologise in advance if this post offends anyone as it is certainly not meant to, i hope it hasn't come across as being rude, but just a bit informative from someone who has had various tummy problems in the past in dogs..
     
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    Sorry if it comes over as rude, but i am fanatical about my dogs health and wellbeing and make no apologies for wanting the best for them
     
  20. masta

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    sorry if i came over as rude, i dont want you to feel bad about the way you feed your dog.

    btw when we take our pack on caravan holidays we use a large coolbox :thumbsup:
     

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