Im Losing Control Of My Dogs :$

[kim & Tilly]

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Every thing was good, but now i have just come back from the worse walk ever.

Scrumpy and Tilly started off fine, running around sniffing, having a poo etc

Then they did their lets play, which can sound a bit like fighting sometimes.....

Then they spot a dad and his two girls playing football at the bottom of the field and were gone....i called and called but nothing......

Scrumpy is really bouncy and i could see him jumping up so i ran down, Tilly and scrumpy are play fighting by this little girl, the dad is telling them (the kids) to stand still. I grab Scrumpy and TIlly and put them on the lead, apologised to the dad he was ok about it. (When Scrumpy jumped up he scratched the little girls hand) The girls stroked the dogs, which was good...

And off we went again.....Tilly spots a cat and shes gone, it was on the other side of the fence so she couldnt get it, i called and kept walking nothing

Both of them (and scrumpy was very good) have lost their recal, Scrumpy jumps up on people all the time, what the hell do i do????

I dont want walks to be a nightmare

 

[hely]

sounds like you need to go back to the basics!

i had to do this with gypsys not long after we got her, no off lead runs until they are sorted........i started in the garden, and when i thought she was better, i used a training lead in the park, lots of praise when she did come back........we tried using a whistle but that didnt work, so we just call her name now........i have to say she's still not 100% if she saw a cat she would be off :wacko:

the training lead was great, or you could use a flexi lead...........walk along and every now and then call them back to you when they get to you give them a treat and loads of praise........keep doing it on every walk.........when you think they are better, try it in the park/field..........i still do this gypsy even now! :thumbsup:

im sure there are folks on here who would do it differently, but this worked for us :thumbsup:

 

[kim & Tilly]

Would you do one at a time or both together?

 

[hely]

Would you do one at a time or both together?

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ummm maybe someone else could tell you that.........i only have one :b

although i couldnt see why you couldnt do them both together :unsure:

 

[June Jonigk]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- " At least mine do anyway. I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub: or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit.

Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:

So, I don't know what the answer is for you. Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps??? Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

 

[kim & Tilly]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- "   At least mine do anyway.  I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come    I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub:   or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit. 
Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:   

So, I don't know what the answer is for you.  Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps???  Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

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Awww June i was counting on your for the answers :- " o

 

[midlanderkeith]

Hi, and they can sense you are losing control Kim believe you me, back to basics im afraid, recall is most important for any dog owner, not knowing you, i dont know how assertive you are with your dogs, so best just do it one at a time, and good luck, you should be enjoying your walks

:luck:

keith

 

[kim & Tilly]

Hi, and they can sense you are losing control Kim believe you me, back to basics im afraid, recall is most important for any dog owner, not knowing you, i dont know how assertive you are with your dogs, so best just do it one at a time, and good luck, you should be enjoying your walks                  :luck:

                  keith

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I can be very assertive with them when needed, but they just arent listening

 

[affieluver]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- "   At least mine do anyway.  I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come    I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub:   or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit. 
Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:   

So, I don't know what the answer is for you.  Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps???  Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

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yep im with you june mine have very selective hearing :- " they are hounds after all and i think sometimes we do forget that i know i do i expect mine to come when i call them the first time even if they are on hot pursuit of a rabbit :blink: some are very good at obedience me i just prefer mine to be headstrong yes i can stand for hours waiting for them to come out of the woods in all weathers but i get no greater pleasure than to see the look of sheer happiness on my dogs face when she brings me a bunny :thumbsup:try a whistle kim and have loads of treats this worked very well for me as i had the same problem whippets are clever enough to work out where the treats might be :lol:

 

[kim & Tilly]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- "   At least mine do anyway.  I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come    I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub:   or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit. 
Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:   

So, I don't know what the answer is for you.  Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps???  Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

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yep im with you june mine have very selective hearing :- " they are hounds after all and i think sometimes we do forget that i know i do i expect mine to come when i call them the first time even if they are on hot pursuit of a rabbit :blink: some are very good at obedience me i just prefer mine to be headstrong yes i can stand for hours waiting for them to come out of the woods in all weathers but i get no greater pleasure than to see the look of sheer happiness on my dogs face when she brings me a bunny :thumbsup:

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See thats totally fine, but when they are head tailing it to a child and wont listen when i call them, then jumps all over the poor thing, knocking them over or scaring them to death, then its a different matter.

 

[affieluver]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- "   At least mine do anyway.  I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come    I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub:   or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit. 
Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:   

So, I don't know what the answer is for you.  Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps???  Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

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yep im with you june mine have very selective hearing :- " they are hounds after all and i think sometimes we do forget that i know i do i expect mine to come when i call them the first time even if they are on hot pursuit of a rabbit :blink: some are very good at obedience me i just prefer mine to be headstrong yes i can stand for hours waiting for them to come out of the woods in all weathers but i get no greater pleasure than to see the look of sheer happiness on my dogs face when she brings me a bunny :thumbsup:

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See thats totally fine, but when they are head tailing it to a child and wont listen when i call them, then jumps all over the poor thing, knocking them over or scaring them to death, then its a different matter.

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well try letting them off one at a time or find a good trainer to help you :thumbsup:

 

[hely]

Unfortunately Kim, whippets do suffer from selective deafness :- "   At least mine do anyway.  I have taught them all to come to me, but apart from a couple of the old girls, the rest just go deaf if they don't want to come    I'll be intersted to see what others say - but I think whippets are a breed that either have been trained strict obedience from the start - and we know some can be because of whippet obedience, and my friend had a whippet who would hold a sausage and not eat it until he was told he could :wub:   or they are allowed to run free and have a bit of spirit. 
Now for racing, we don't want our dogs obedient - we need them to be a bit headstrong, and the last thing we want is for them to be looking to us for commands, when we want them to go on their own instincts and chase :thumbsup:   

So, I don't know what the answer is for you.  Maybe to let them off the lead one at a time, so you have more of their attention perhaps???  Hopefully someone with an obedient whippet will give you some answers :teehee:

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yep im with you june mine have very selective hearing :- " they are hounds after all and i think sometimes we do forget that i know i do i expect mine to come when i call them the first time even if they are on hot pursuit of a rabbit :blink: some are very good at obedience me i just prefer mine to be headstrong yes i can stand for hours waiting for them to come out of the woods in all weathers but i get no greater pleasure than to see the look of sheer happiness on my dogs face when she brings me a bunny :thumbsup:

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See thats totally fine, but when they are head tailing it to a child and wont listen when i call them, then jumps all over the poor thing, knocking them over or scaring them to death, then its a different matter.

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im with you on that one...........and also for their own safety near roads or other dangerous places :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

Unfortunately its back to basics Kim ..... I always find that its helpful to teach my lot how to retrieve ..... So when we are out we play ball or frisbee .....This keeps them focused on me .......Every dogs different .....Eric, Connie, Tink, and Miya can see nothing other than their toys, so are very easy to train ....... My lot have to be obedient as it would be a tad dodgy free running 11 dogs together with selective hearing (w00t) ......Don't get me wrong I do allow them to hunt in safe areas, but again its on my terms (plus there's only so many dead rabbits, mice etc ... you can make use of :- " ) ......I would train them separately first of all, and then when they are focused on you, start training them together :thumbsup: ......As for obedience and racing .....I've had a problem with a few of mine not wanting to leave me, but now I just get someone else to trap them and I pick 'em up

 

[peppermint lady]

well our 6 stay by my side :thumbsup: untill i take the leads off (w00t)

im very luck as we have our own 5 acre field, that is all fenced in so i can run them 3 at a time, i must say they are all very good and come when called :thumbsup:

but im sure they wouldnt do that if i was in a public park :blink: they would all be off like a shot eccept for lolly :wub: who never leaves my side :huggles:

i would let them off one at a time if i was you, you can make a real fuss of the one on the lead :huggles: and this will help encourage the other to come back, also maybe give them a treat on their return :thumbsup:

 

[Sarah86]

I know the feeling, I only have the one girl, she is a complete angel in the house we have never had any problems with anything (so far), it is when she is out. In the garden she will stay and come when asked 100% and if out and about and there are no distractions she is great. Her big problem is she chases bikes, if she spots one near by she just wont listen she runs after it, she done this at the end of last summer, it was I think a 12 year old girl and she screamed as Penny chased her which was upsetting to me as I know Penny would never hurt the girl.

She also has a thing for people, although she doesn't do it all the time sometimes she runs and jumps up at people and wants attention, its all fine if it is someone who doesn't mind dogs. We have a few places we let her off to run about where there are no people, but I sometimes take her to the park to play with other dogs, now I only let her off there if there is another dog wanting to play with her and im watching every entrance making sure no bikes or people are coming in.

Im glad im not the only one that has a dog that likes to greet people, its a shame because she is really friendly and lovely, just not everyone wants a dog jumping up at them, and its hard to get them to stop doing it without them doing it (if that makes sense :wacko: )

 

[Janimal]

All brilliant advice...Im taking it all onboard myself too, well done everyone.

Archie has been quite naughty lately, and I think its due to beig restricted to the leader twice this year with injuries. so his freedom seems extra nice just now...

Weve been up the woods a lot lately,....and guess who is last to come back.. :- " .he just completely switches off...and dosnt seem to want to hear me....its so frustrating so I empathise with you Kim.

Im sure it is just stages they seem to go through too.

 

[tracy]

oh Kim - do not feel too upset

talulla and bean are the same - if i call them back sometimes they come straight away and sometimes they don't - it all depends on where we are and how many bunnies are around

i tend to take them only where i feel they are safe - forests, the beach etc

if i feel more confident on letting them off i am sure this helps - never let your dogs know you are worried - whippys are very clever (w00t)

we are so lucky here - we have plenty of our own land and lots of amazing places to walk where you rarely see another soul - is there anywhere near you that you could go and feel safer with your dogs?

try not to panic - and do not let this one thing ruin the pleasure of walking your dogs.

as i stand waiting for my very precious girls to come back my heart is in my mouth..... and then i see them coming over a hill, running free together, enjoying life to the full and everything falls in to place - it is either let them off the lead to run and play or keep them on a lead and miserable - i know what i prefer )

hope all these great replies help - sorry mine is full of waffle - but you know me (w00t)

tracy x

 

[Lal]

Big worry isn't it? Rifle on the whole is great, although as a pup he was a nightmare!! We do still have the odd 'blip' and, if he's on a bunny there is no way I can call him back, he is totally deaf (selectively)!! But, ages ago when he put a fox up, totally took us all by surprise, he came straight back when called. Have you a favourite squeaky toy or something, I was told that this often works to get their attention back to you in that split second that they have spotted something 'that might be fun' up ahead, to make yourself 'more fun' than the other distraction. I am sure there are others with far more experience that can offer something more constructive but :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[jinnyfizz]

I hope you can get it sorted Kim :thumbsup:

I have a "naughty" whippet - Ella! She is nearly 10 months old and has just been through a phase of ignoring me completely.

I purposely took her out on her own and worked with her quietly for a couple of weeks. Once she was no longer in her pack, she only had me for company and became much more compliant

It's worthwhile training them separately, and I think someone else has suggested only letting one off lead at a time. Good idea, as it will make it much easier to call the other back when the interest is with you :thumbsup: :luck: :luck:

 

[kim & Tilly]

Thank you for the replies, im glad others feel the same way and are also having problems. (well im not glad your having problems, just that im not the only one)

Scrumpy is very food orientated, Tilly is nothing

They dont like toys, they will run after a ball then just drop it when 'caught'

If i have one on lead and the other off, the one off will just jump all over the one on a lead

The place i take them is a big field apposite our house, it has two half size football pitches a small play park bit (enclosed) no bunnies, they can run to the other side of the field in about 30 seconds, i take a bit longer :- "

You often get kids playing football or just running around, scrumpy runs over to them and jumps up, which is really upsetting for the kids and anoying for me.

I think the only way is to take them out one at a time, do some one to one training, start off road walking (which they never have) to stop them lead pulling, then a long lead in the field, calling them back with a treat, then off lead....and see how it goes :sweating:

That will sort out the recal, but i have no idea about the jumping up, which they do out and in the house??