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I must admit that it horrifies me to think of pup's being "run on" then sold when they don't come up to scratch at 6 or so months old .......the same with the older dogs who have served their purpose and had a litter or so (be this in the show or racing world) ..............And even though my lot live in the house, i was brought up with "kenneled" dogs and they were all well adjusted, loved and WANTED dogs :thumbsup: ............I have also never liked the idea of a show dog spending a large part of it's life being passed from person/country just to gain a bloody title as that is no life for a dog being passed around in the name of a hobbie :angry:

 

[JAX]

but in all you want Vicki

 

[playawhile]

If fact it might be from the dog that Carolinee sent over from Dessie x Badger mating.

You must mean the Demerlay dog that Mari Laukkanen imported to Finland - Ch Demerlay Red Admiral.

The dog the Swedish breeder (who wanted to use badger) used was a Badger son from Peperone - Ch Peperone Personal Effect.

Henrik Härling

 

[playawhile]

Hi!

I have twice let breeders borrow dogs from me and both times everything went just fine. I think you have to be very careful about which individuals you choose for “projects” like this. I would never ever part with a dog I knew would suffer mentally. In 1994 I let Tuija Elomaa (Pipsqueak whippets in Finland) borrow Ch Play A While at Peperone (“Kim” to his friends) for half a year and in 1998 I let Pat Miller (Woodmsoke whippets in Canada) borrow Ch Play A While XXXX (“Buddha” to her friends) for a while. Both these dogs are (was in Kim’s case as he passed away four years ago) extremely stable in their mentality and had no problems what so ever to stay with other people for a while. XXXX’s daughter that I have at home also has a very good mentality but is a dog that likes all her routines and wants everything to be done the exact way every day, and for this reason I would not let anyone borrow her from me.

The whippet population in Sweden is so much smaller than in the UK and that means we need a constant flow of imports and thereby depend on good breeders from around the world parting with good animals. Since I have benefited from these imports in my own breeding I felt I could not be “selfish” and not let for instance Pat Miller borrow Buddha from me, as I know she would live the same life as in my house. Like some other has mentioned I also keep my dogs around me 24 hours, in my house and foremost they are just my pets. I usually say, if they would ban dog shows tomorrow I would not “cry”, as living with the dogs is the important thing. I never would have let Buddha or Kim go to someone that would keep him or her in a kennel, as they were not used to that. I had a bitch puppy back out of Buddha meaning I had some new bloodlines from Canada. So my reasons for lending my two dogs were mainly for breeding.

I have on several other occasions exported puppies to other countries but this is a totally different thing from shipping adults.

Henrik Härling

 

[malin]

Thank you Millie and BJ for the pedigree! Very interesting stuff!!!

With the additional line to Carmodian Tawny Knight of Hutaka and knowing that you like your part french babies I personally would definitely go that way (I'm a bit partial I might add ). Either TJ or maybe there is some French dog owner that might cross the channel for you? I know Morgan has some fine looking Joli Mec and Jake sons at home :lol:

 

[Cartman]

I knew this topic might get some interesting replys. It seems so far, we just about think the same. (or there abouts.)

Maybe, just maybe, the stories we hear of "strange" things that happens to animals coming in or going overseas, & yes, across borders. Are people that do not fit in here. I hope I said that in a way that everybody understands.

My comment of a single male only being the sire of a certain percentage of litters still stands. I have seen what your thoughts are on that, & yes it wil never happen. After all it is a free world.

But, lets also look at some buyers of whippet. For once not a spelling mistake. I said BUYERS of whippets. People who have been around for years. Having a few litters, but importing their stock. Are these people holding back the breed?????? OH!!! we all know someone like these.................(maybe)

Example, a male, from mixed back ground. Lets say half USA & half everyother country. It is breed under their prefix, & a big promoted winner, in several countries. The dog, has produced some nice stock, but from many well paying bitches. It is then moved on to yet another country, leaving behind a freezer full of AI in the making. He arives with a full list of bitches waiting.

No problems. It is a free world o

But what is wrong? Line breeding is out the window. Yep an out cross, thats fine,if you need to do that. But like sheep to the slaughter..............5.6.or maybe 8 bitches are mated to this male, without one litter hitting the ground. Also, many more befor the puppies hit the ring. Also more befor the results of mating from one male (or a very few) are felt on the generation of today. That is, it may of been a mistake to cross those lines in the first place. End result is another 18 - 24 months befor the bitch can be mated again. So a totally wasted generation. You then turn around for a way out.................not many males to chose from, & the next crop of bitches to come forward are half brother to whats about.

Any views????????????????? o

 

[dessie]

I know Morgan has some fine looking Joli Mec and Jake sons at home  :lol:

I agree wholeheartedly there Malin, I am certainly keeping those 'up my sleeve' for a later date!!!!

Some very interesting points Cartman that I wholeheartedly agree with. I can think of one perfect example over here at present. What I can't understand is that people keep saying to me that they have heard I have used the dog!! I have not used him and have absolutely no intentions of doing so!!!

 

[playawhile]

Maybe, just maybe, the stories we hear of "strange" things that happens to animals coming in or going overseas, & yes, across borders. Are people that do not fit in here. I hope I said that in a way that everybody understands.

Can you explain this to me in another way? I can't understand these sentences!!

Henrik Härling

 

[Cartman]

Maybe, just maybe, the stories we hear of "strange" things that happens to animals coming in or going overseas, & yes, across borders. Are people that do not fit in here. I hope I said that in a way that everybody understands.

Can you explain this to me in another way? I can't understand these sentences!!

Henrik Härling

It is meant to imply that the people that come to K9 are decent, & not into down grading the breed in general.

 

[playawhile]

Maybe, just maybe, the stories we hear of "strange" things that happens to animals coming in or going overseas, & yes, across borders. Are people that do not fit in here. I hope I said that in a way that everybody understands.

Can you explain this to me in another way? I can't understand these sentences!!

Henrik Härling

It is meant to imply that the people that come to K9 are decent, & not into down grading the breed in general.

Thanks for explaining, now I see what you mean!!

You know, I am one of the members of ABBA you mentioned last week, who don't know English that well, but I am learning!! :- "

Bjorn Again

 

[Cartman]

Thanks for explaining, now I see what you mean!!
You know, I am one of the members of ABBA you mentioned last week, who don't know English that well, but I am learning!! :- "

Bjorn Again

Sometimes late at night I get out the tight pants & long blonde wig too.

My my, How can I resist me>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

 

[dessie]

LOL! There was an Abba tribute show on last night with various artists singing their songs and I thoroughly enjoyed it!!!

 

[aslan]

[SIZE=21pt]LOL !!![/SIZE]

Oh Jon :clown: YOU CRACK ME UP!

I am a huge Abba fan! We used to have late night drunken Abba parties (a few years ago now though) and sing VERY loudly and do all the actions from the video clips!

 

[JAX]

dessie Posted on May 4 2004, 12:51 PM LOL! There was an Abba tribute show on last night with various artists singing their songs and I thoroughly enjoyed it!!!

I watched it too Caroline ! I Know the words to ALL the songs :blink:

I do hate to see them mimming though dodnt you

[QUOTSometimes late at night I get out the tight pants & long blonde wig too.

My my, How can I resist me>>>>>>>>>>>>>. E]

Tis easy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[playawhile]

[I am a huge Abba fan! We used to have late night drunken Abba parties (a few years ago now though) and sing VERY loudly and do all the actions from the video clips!

So, I suppose that it looked like something out of Muriel's Wedding?? :cheers:

Henrik Härling

 

[JAX]

And we all know what a brill film that was !! :cheers:

 

[aslan]

So, I suppose that it looked like something out of Muriel's Wedding?? :cheers:
Henrik Härling

Oh trust me Henrik - I look just like a Muriel !!! All that extra weight Toni Collette had to put on for that role ...? When she lost it, I found it !

 

[Cartman]

Muriel's wedding, or should I say "Mariel's Wedding. It was a Doco made on typical Australian weddings. :teehee:

Another good one, & it was on Austar yesterday, was called Dimboola. :teehee:

 

[Karen]

[i can think of one perfect example over here at present.

Who is this dog, and are you both waffling on about the same dog or different dogs?

If its who I think Cartman is on about, over here most of the bitches hes had share common ancesters and if you are blaming a dog you must also be having a pop at HIS sire and dam. I only really care about the dog, his lines, his welfare, I never give much thought to personalities, there is loads of really starnge exhibitors out there, I never get involved or sucked into their silly international squabbles

We dont need a dog from abroad to cause these problems, dozens of bitches were taken to Dutch Gold that were total out crosses. Some had good litters some had not so good litters. The good dogs will breed on and the not so good will gradually be filtered out and restore the status quo.

You are still blaming the dog (what ever dog) for any bad stock.

And as for wasted time, should we be rushing along, darting from one litter to another in seach of the perfect puppy when perhaps we need to sit back and say is this BITCH good enough to breed from

 

[Cartman]

Karen, I did say "example". All a maybe, posability.

My point, & I do not say it well is in short. I can think of several dogs & you even mentioned one that I did not think of at the time. "If breeders either with a male or female.Should they be more selective as to who uses their services? Also should they rehome a dog several times to do this?"

I put this idea up to see what others thought, & if it was on the same track as me. I now think that the major number of whippet breeders/showers, have morals of a high standard.

As you said, re, Dutch Gold, could some the % of litters been of a higher standard if more selective whippets were mated to him? & was the que longer after the "big win".?

I think, I have too many questions than answers.

I had in mind an idea that males should not sire too many litters. I still think that is right.

Also I am pleased I did not mention DNA, or Cloneing. Just think, going to a show & seeing a CC line up of the same whippet, but at different ages.......... o