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:luck: :luck: Eve, there is a wealth of support and advice on this site, I hope that all goes well :huggles:

 

[eve]

Thanks for the advice.

My preference is for a speying straight off. She will be on a lead for the first few weeks anyway until she is fully settled. She may need a course of vaccinations and most certainly worming. The owner says she is vaccinated but does not know where the papers are and that he will post them if he cannot find them! Vet advice generally is for the injections. My vet told me that speying to terminate can cause a lot of problems. Not just with the risk of extra bleeding, but that the bitch may have hormone problems afterwards due to the high levels of hormones in her blood. I have also been warned by a few folk that the injections do not always work and an also cause hormone problems. Seems a 'Hobsons choice'. I am going to look into this further and get more advice. I cannot see the point of putting her through a miscarriage and then having her speyed soon after unless there is a big difference to her welfare. I need to speak to my vet again anyway now that I have more information on her history.

 

[peppermint lady]

Many thanks to those who have offered help with transport. She will be here on Wed evening late. I am having her brought up by courrier. The logistics of putting everyone to a lot of trouble were a nightmare. The courrier chap sounds lovely and the quicker I get her here, the quicker I can get her sorted out. Owner sounds nice to talk to but he is in it for the money ABSOLUTELY no doubt. Bought her off a friend for working after her last litter. :rant: He says that he has had her with the dog 3 times tied and they were together for a night as well. Not keen on reducing price because her puppies will be good sellers!Advice on experience of injections vs immediate speying much appreciated. My vet favours injections but I am not so sure.

Don't have the jab, I have heard of so many bitches suffering afterwards, bleeding and all sorts and ending up being speyed. Make sure she is actually in whelp, at three weeks after a mating it is difficult to tell. She may not be in whelp!!!! Get her speyed if she is, please don't get her jabbed.

i have also heard of the jab not taking full effect and the bitch going on to have a litter of deformed puppies, i would go with speying from the off set :thumbsup: good luck :luck:

 

[nicky12]

aww good luck cant wait to see pics :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[masta]

Eve as I said elsewhere it is not uncommon for a bitch in whelp to be sold on, as you've discovered it's considered by some to be a means to making money. Others will sell a bitch in whelp if they know or discover that the whelp is likely to be complicated/expensive, when the bitch has received a past injury to her pelvis for example. Some of course will just pretend a bitch is in whelp as she can command a higher price that way. And I have been told of a new scam recently ... a bitch is sold on in whelp but the new owner is not told that that is the case, when it becomes apparent that there will be pups the new owner contacts the old one who denies all knowledge but offers to help out ... they have friends who will take puppies. When the scam works (hard to believe folk are that gullible but I'm told they are) the old owner actually sells those pups on and every penny is profit as the whelping costs etc. have been met by the new owner. Sick world we live in isn't it.
Hopefully though this little bitch will now have the future she deserves

Word of warning you may be fostering a new scam - owner advertises bitch as in pup to increase the chance of her being "rescued"

Remember this is a open forum with 1000's of members and guests

 

[eve]

Word of warning you may be fostering a new scam - owner advertises bitch as in pup to increase the chance of her being "rescued"
Remember this is a open forum with 1000's of members and guests

I have thought of that, it is a problem for Scruples and everyone else who genuinely cares about whippet welfare.

I feel I am doing the right thing with the facts I have available.

I have spoken to the vet again regarding Speying v Injections.

There can be complications with either.

I have decided to go with having her speyed. She would be getting speyed ASAP anyway and having the injection would mean that she would really need to have a season before being Speyed to avoid speying her at the wrong time. I would prefer to avoid that situation.

She will need to be on a lead for the 1st three weeks untill we get to trust each other when we go out for walks, so it makes sense in respect of he settling in peroid for her to be speyed now. The main risk with the speying apart from excessive bleeding during surgery is that her pregnancy hormones do not drop off. She is aparently very fit so surgery should be fine. There is always the chance that she is not expecting but it is too early for a scan and I feel sad enough about this solution without waiting for the puppies to grow large enough to show up.

There are certain complications and problems with the injection. There is a risk of pyometra, the bitch may come into season quite quickly and it may last longer, it is not 100% effective and can be accompanied by weight loss and mammary swelling. On top of that, the poor thing will have to miscarry in a house where she is new and insecure. It is a hard choice to make but she is presently booked in to be speyed on Monday.

 

[kirsty]

Lots of Luck with her Eve , hope all goes as smoothly as possible under the circumstances :luck: :luck: :luck: :huggles:

 

[Janimal]

Good luck with everything Eve :luck:

cant help thinking though if some people put more thought in before the mating....or didnt do it in the first place at all..

this poor girl wouldnt be going through all of this...so sad....

but sounds like its a fact of life these days.

 

[whippetwise]

Eve as I said elsewhere it is not uncommon for a bitch in whelp to be sold on, as you've discovered it's considered by some to be a means to making money. Others will sell a bitch in whelp if they know or discover that the whelp is likely to be complicated/expensive, when the bitch has received a past injury to her pelvis for example. Some of course will just pretend a bitch is in whelp as she can command a higher price that way. And I have been told of a new scam recently ... a bitch is sold on in whelp but the new owner is not told that that is the case, when it becomes apparent that there will be pups the new owner contacts the old one who denies all knowledge but offers to help out ... they have friends who will take puppies. When the scam works (hard to believe folk are that gullible but I'm told they are) the old owner actually sells those pups on and every penny is profit as the whelping costs etc. have been met by the new owner. Sick world we live in isn't it.
Hopefully though this little bitch will now have the future she deserves

Word of warning you may be fostering a new scam - owner advertises bitch as in pup to increase the chance of her being "rescued"

Remember this is a open forum with 1000's of members and guests

I have to agree here, the owner may have sounded nice on the phone but he has given you the same speil that all of these guys give. He must have thought all his birthdays had come at once when you agreed on his asking price. Either way thats irrelevant now and the main thing is that you have her sorted. I would go with the spay not the injections. Good luck with her :luck:

 

[sue burton]

so very pleased she found you Eve good luck with her :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[jinnyfizz]

Word of warning you may be fostering a new scam - owner advertises bitch as in pup to increase the chance of her being "rescued"
Remember this is a open forum with 1000's of members and guests

I have thought of that, it is a problem for Scruples and everyone else who genuinely cares about whippet welfare.

The point made by Masta is one of the dilemmas that Scruples, as a charitable rescue organisation, discussed yesterday when the Trustees were deciding what course of action to take for this particular bitch. Sadly, we had to decide that Scruples couldn't become involved, partly because it couldn't be classified as a genuine "rescue" situation.

It is comforting to know that you have stepped in to buy this bitch now but word of mouth goes a long way, Eve, and there is no doubting that the owner of this bitch will tell his mates and those mates will pass the word on - before you know it, it could become a money making scam to put a bitch in whelp just to sell her - at any price, let alone inflated ones!!

The one thing that is certain is that this particular bitch will have a safe and secure future with you now, but all these scams start somewhere and can spread like wildfire Let's hope that the purchase of this little girl doesn't light that touchpaper.

 

[FifeJillandIan]

This makes me think of 'The Star Thrower' story by Loren Eiseley - you've probably all heard one or another adaptation of it but here's a version:

A man was walking along a sandy beach where thousands of starfish had been washed up on the shore when he saw a boy picking up

starfish, one by one, and throwing them back into the ocean. After watching for a few minutes the man asked the boy why he was dong that, as there were so many of them that he could never make a difference. The boy thought for a moment, then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water before saying 'I made a difference to that one!'

This 'phenomenon' of selling pregnant bitches may or may not be a growing scam - I personally don't think that what Scruples or Eve have done in rescuing these whippets will do any harm - if there's a scam to be had then the scammers will exploit it but what you've both done is made a difference to one whippet's life - good on you both :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jill

 

[Nicola]

Good luck Eve. :luck: I hope all goes well.

 

[~Sarah~]

This makes me think of 'The Star Thrower' story by Loren Eiseley - you've probably all heard one or another adaptation of it but here's a version:
A man was walking along a sandy beach where thousands of starfish had been washed up on the shore when he saw a boy picking up

starfish, one by one, and throwing them back into the ocean. After watching for a few minutes the man asked the boy why he was dong that, as there were so many of them that he could never make a difference. The boy thought for a moment, then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water before saying 'I made a difference to that one!'

This 'phenomenon' of selling pregnant bitches may or may not be a growing scam - I personally don't think that what Scruples or Eve have done in rescuing these whippets will do any harm - if there's a scam to be had then the scammers will exploit it but what you've both done is made a difference to one whippet's life - good on you both :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jill

My thoughts exactly. Sadly we cannot help them all, but we can make a difference to the lives of some.

Well done to Eve for giving this girl a chance of a better life. :thumbsup: I hope all goes well with her transport to you and with the op to spay her. :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[whippetmad]

Good luck Eve :luck: :luck: ......I hope all goes well for this girl :thumbsup: :wub: :wub: .....Thankyou for keeping us updated

 

[ingsay2000]

This makes me think of 'The Star Thrower' story by Loren Eiseley - you've probably all heard one or another adaptation of it but here's a version:
A man was walking along a sandy beach where thousands of starfish had been washed up on the shore when he saw a boy picking up

starfish, one by one, and throwing them back into the ocean. After watching for a few minutes the man asked the boy why he was dong that, as there were so many of them that he could never make a difference. The boy thought for a moment, then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water before saying 'I made a difference to that one!'

This 'phenomenon' of selling pregnant bitches may or may not be a growing scam - I personally don't think that what Scruples or Eve have done in rescuing these whippets will do any harm - if there's a scam to be had then the scammers will exploit it but what you've both done is made a difference to one whippet's life - good on you both :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jill

My thoughts exactly. At least two little girls have a safe, loving and secure future. Good luck with your new addition Eve.

 

[Hula]

This makes me think of 'The Star Thrower' story by Loren Eiseley - you've probably all heard one or another adaptation of it but here's a version:
A man was walking along a sandy beach where thousands of starfish had been washed up on the shore when he saw a boy picking up

starfish, one by one, and throwing them back into the ocean. After watching for a few minutes the man asked the boy why he was dong that, as there were so many of them that he could never make a difference. The boy thought for a moment, then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water before saying 'I made a difference to that one!'

This 'phenomenon' of selling pregnant bitches may or may not be a growing scam - I personally don't think that what Scruples or Eve have done in rescuing these whippets will do any harm - if there's a scam to be had then the scammers will exploit it but what you've both done is made a difference to one whippet's life - good on you both :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jill

That's lovely and I totally agree with you :thumbsup:

Good luck with the wee girl Eve xxx

 

[wild whippies]

This makes me think of 'The Star Thrower' story by Loren Eiseley - you've probably all heard one or another adaptation of it but here's a version:
A man was walking along a sandy beach where thousands of starfish had been washed up on the shore when he saw a boy picking up

starfish, one by one, and throwing them back into the ocean. After watching for a few minutes the man asked the boy why he was dong that, as there were so many of them that he could never make a difference. The boy thought for a moment, then bent down, picked up another starfish and threw it into the water before saying 'I made a difference to that one!'

This 'phenomenon' of selling pregnant bitches may or may not be a growing scam - I personally don't think that what Scruples or Eve have done in rescuing these whippets will do any harm - if there's a scam to be had then the scammers will exploit it but what you've both done is made a difference to one whippet's life - good on you both :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jill

Good post. :thumbsup:

In fairness you could remind the seller about the sales of goods act and if the bitch failed to produce pups you'd pursue legal action. For what it's worth - which may be diddly!

Eve the way I look at it, you could be just as easily scammed by some breeder about their superior pups / stud dog yadayada. I hope she settles in with you and you can look back on this and think she's priceless. :thumbsup: :luck:

 

[Sarah86]

Lots of luck for this little girl when she arrives, I hope all goes well :huggles:

 

[TillynPip]

Eve, have replied to your pm.