Is K9 Partly Too Fault?

[Vicky]

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High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

Spot on!!!!

 

[ahorsnall]

Maybe we should re-name the forum "Original Whippet" as afterall, that is what they are!
Don't think k9 is where i first heard the phrase non pedigree but admit it is misleading to newcomers and gives the impression their parentage isn't traceable when we all know it is, they are just not kc registered. Confusion lies between the word "Pedigree" and "KC Registered", Jacqui's whippets are what i'd call pedigree yet they don't have KC papers and wouldn't be competative against our "non peds".

that was my thought too vicky but ive just noticed in the past the term non ped as been taken as any are classed as such what ever breeding :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

I think the name should be changed to the whippet racing forum. I hate the term non-ped cos it's inaccurate and misleading, these dogs do have pedigrees with many being able to account for their generations. KC whippets even go back to our ''non-peds''- although in my opinion they're now an entirely different species, maybe it's them that should be changing their name?

Oh and regards to KC registration papers - it's a load of twaddle, I know of many breeders who have falsified papers and I've been approached on 3 seperate occasions now where pedigree racing whippets breeding has been doubted as genuine.

 

[ahorsnall]

I think the name should be changed to the whippet racing forum. I hate the term non-ped cos it's inaccurate and misleading, these dogs do have pedigrees with many being able to account for their generations. KC whippets even go back to our ''non-peds''- although in my opinion they're now an entirely different species, maybe it's them that should be changing their name?
Oh and regards to KC registration papers - it's a load of twaddle, I know of many breeders who have falsified papers and I've been approached on 3 seperate occasions now where pedigree racing whippets breeding has been doubted as genuine.

thats what i was hoping but you just put it better thanks

 

[tony warren]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

 

[liverpoolmitch]

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

 

[fallenangel]

when it comes to sayig to peoepl my dogs are non ped whippet it alays end up with having to explain he term to them as they think there all breed from regisred perants but there somthing wrong with ours so they arent registred. I usuly say there race breed like a racing greyhound as there not kennal club registred eather ( allthough I know you can register them) it just seams the easyset way to explain it. it woyuld be nice for them to have there own type name

 

[ahorsnall]

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

its still a name on apeice of paper maybe now days on a computer just in a kc office lol

 

[liverpoolmitch]

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

its still a name on apeice of paper maybe now days on a computer just in a kc office lol

So what the point of a librarian separating fact from fiction if at the end of the day if its only a piece of paper? :lol:

 

[Debbie b]

sorry to put my two penith in, but isn't a pedigree just a piece of paper stating that say your dog was bred out of so and so racing champion put to another racing champion and such like which basically thats all a kc pedigree is, as i also have a point with all my coursing lurchers they came with the same bit of paper going back several generations of coursing dogs, stating they were out of merlin and eve back to so and so's 4 out of 4 hare dog, to me it is just a peice of paper it is what the dogs are capable of doing and have done that really matters in the end

sorry again to but in

 

[liverpoolmitch]

sorry to put my two penith in, but isn't a pedigree just a piece of paper stating that say your dog was bred out of so and so racing champion put to another racing champion and such like which basically thats all a kc pedigree is, as i also have a point with all my coursing lurchers they came with the same bit of paper going back several generations of coursing dogs, stating they were out of merlin and eve back to so and so's 4 out of 4 hare dog, to me it is just a peice of paper it is what the dogs are capable of doing and have done that really matters in the endsorry again to but in

Hi Debbie b Totally agree with you the papers mean nothing without a good dog :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

 

[wild whippies]

sorry to put my two penith in, but isn't a pedigree just a piece of paper stating that say your dog was bred out of so and so racing champion put to another racing champion and such like which basically thats all a kc pedigree is, as i also have a point with all my coursing lurchers they came with the same bit of paper going back several generations of coursing dogs, stating they were out of merlin and eve back to so and so's 4 out of 4 hare dog, to me it is just a peice of paper it is what the dogs are capable of doing and have done that really matters in the endsorry again to but in

Hi Debbie b Totally agree with you the papers mean nothing without a good dog :thumbsup:

Absolutely, in fact I recon most dog breeds would be better off if they had been bred for their skills at a purpose rather than their aesthetics.

 

[tony warren]

WELL PUT JAC

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

sorry to put my two penith in, but isn't a pedigree just a piece of paper stating that say your dog was bred out of so and so racing champion put to another racing champion and such like which basically thats all a kc pedigree is, as i also have a point with all my coursing lurchers they came with the same bit of paper going back several generations of coursing dogs, stating they were out of merlin and eve back to so and so's 4 out of 4 hare dog, to me it is just a peice of paper it is what the dogs are capable of doing and have done that really matters in the endsorry again to but in

Hi Debbie b Totally agree with you the papers mean nothing without a good dog :thumbsup:

Absolutely, in fact I recon most dog breeds would be better off if they had been bred for their skills at a purpose rather than their aesthetics.

aesthetics means apperance yes ????? when i seen that word i thought ohhh, cool another brain teaser just like on the breeding topic :lol: :lol:

 

[liverpoolmitch]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

Hi wild whippets , I feel, I have just stepped into a mind field of contention, It was not by any means my intention :b to upset or take away anything that people like yourself or others have done for this fantastic dog.

Being new to this forum and the world of Whippets I very much value the wealth of information and years of experience that you and others have to offer people like myself . :thumbsup:

.

Do you take prisoners or am I to be shot at dawn :sweating:

 

[ahorsnall]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

Hi wild whippets , I feel, I have just stepped into a mind field of contention, It was not by any means my intention :b to upset or take away anything that people like yourself or others have done for this fantastic dog.

Being new to this forum and the world of Whippets I very much value the wealth of information and years of experience that you and others have to offer people like myself . :thumbsup:

.

Do you take prisoners or am I to be shot at dawn :sweating:

jacs not that nasty im sure she will blind fold you 1st lol

 

[liverpoolmitch]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

Hi wild whippets , I feel, I have just stepped into a mind field of contention, It was not by any means my intention :b to upset or take away anything that people like yourself or others have done for this fantastic dog.

Being new to this forum and the world of Whippets I very much value the wealth of information and years of experience that you and others have to offer people like myself . :thumbsup:

.

Do you take prisoners or am I to be shot at dawn :sweating:

jacs not that nasty im sure she will blind fold you 1st lol

`Cheers for that :lol: :thumbsup:

 

[dolly day dream]

Well I must admit I dont care what anyone calls any of my dogs :wacko: They run for me and take me for everything they can get away with (w00t) Lol

 

[DavidH]

what ever you call them they are bloody fast,and very enjoyable to own and look after.

great sport, when they are fit :- :thumbsup:

why not call them whippets :teehee: