Jasmine Hasn't Got A Leg To Stand On

[Jasbri]

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Sorry Bridget I've just realised what the topic title is.  That kinda makes my comments personal to you and Jasmine.  They aren't meant to be personal to you just how I see competing with my dogs.

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No problem Barbara, you answered a quote, with your opinion, nothing personal to upset me!

However, humble little me, disagrees that Lure Coursing is more for us than our dogs .... my hounds never squeal at the sight of the chance to free run, like they do as they hear the Lure start. That happy singing is my proof thay they LOVE to chase the Lure.

 

[Millie]

Sorry Bridget I've just realised what the topic title is.  That kinda makes my comments personal to you and Jasmine.  They aren't meant to be personal to you just how I see competing with my dogs.

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No problem Barbara, you answered a quote, with your opinion, nothing personal to upset me!

However, humble little me, disagrees that Lure Coursing is more for us than our dogs .... my hounds never squeal at the sight of the chance to free run, like they do as they hear the Lure start. That happy singing is my proof thay they LOVE to chase the Lure.

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Hear hear ! Bridget................. Freeway is hard work just to get to run on normal exercise, prefers to munch :wacko: But at lure coursing he goes absolutly belistic (w00t)

 

[Joanna]

Why is lure coursing dangerous???  Do the dogs trip on the lure??
I've never seen it  - 'scuse my ignorance..

andwater-wings cuddles for Jasmine :wub:   :wub:

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They can trip on the line. Most do without any injuries - like mine have - occasionally a dog will get a cut or burn like Digger did on his first time out. BTW Mark's lure coursing isn't continuous loop so there is no line for the dogs to trip over/get caught up on. The only obstacles that they can hurt themselves on are the rollers.

Both Woody and Bean have had falls but neither have been more than slightly injured.

Personally I wouldn't put a very fast racing bred whippet around a lure course. But I've seen some very good racing dogs lure coursing so their owners think differently.

Personally Jasmine's injury was a factor in my deciding not to go lure coursing last Sunday. But I know that this kind of thing can happen whenever I lure course my dogs and have done so in that knowledge many times before. It's a risk that we take everytime we enter them into the competition and slip them. I will lure course them again.

Personally I don't believe that free running our dogs to keep them healthy and happy is the same thing as putting them in the false environment of a competition. Whenever and however we choose to compete with our dogs we do it for our own egos they don't give a damn whether they are running in a field or for a trophy. So if one of my dogs got injured whilst competing then I would feel more responsible for that injury than if they had got it whilst free running. Put simply at this moment in time we do not need to compete with our dogs in order for them to have a run, we do it for ourselves not for them. Although luckily for us most of them do enjoy it enormously.

Basically though poor Jasmine and poor Bridget have been very, very unlucky. I hope that she continues to improve rapidly. Don't beat yourself up about it Bridget and don't let anyone else do so . (It's simply an opinion). It was a freak accident. The doGs just didn't smile on Jasmine at that moment in time.

:huggles: to you both.

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I disagree to a point Barb. Archie loves the lure, he can't compete due his size on a race track. My own interpretation of the day was to give my dog a great run and fabulous enjoyment in his instinctive environment. Him and Star worked as a team to course that lure. Yes it was a joy to watch, but my own pleasure was from his sheer enthusiasm, not his score. I would feel guilty about showing him in a competition because he would hate it (no offense to all showers), but I would have no guilt whatsoever if he took a tumble in a field enjoying his sport. It would be just bad luck as you said :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

it was a joy to watch, but my own pleasure was from his sheer enthusiasm, not his score.

Thats like Miya and Twit .........They LOVE that plastic bag ........Jacob actually became depressed when he wasn't coming racing with the other's as this is his most bestest past time .......Neither of these are the fastest racer's but they have always been honest, true and keen and their pleasure showed..........Even when Miya hit her leg and I withdrew her she, was still wanting to run again........

Personally I wouldn't put a very fast racing bred whippet around a lure course. But I've seen some very good racing dogs lure coursing so their owners think differently.

I do think differently, but as you said this is your opinion, and I have my own opinion (sad world if we all thought the same ) ..........plus it's a good job my racer's arn't very fast ........

 

[Janimal]

Good Luck Jasmine :luck: :cheers: Hope the swimming therapy does some good :thumbsup: and Get Well soon. :huggles:

 

[ILoveKettleChips]

This is really interesting to read, especially since we lost our lure coursing virginity ... :- "

Maybe I did take my best girl our 'for me', but she was screeching and barking and howling, and jumping around when she saw the lure (this dog isn't very animated usually - during the earlier part of the day while we were sitting watching a gundog display someone asked me IF SHE WAS BREATHING!). So maybe I went 'for me', but she ran 'for her', and yes, of course I'd feel bad for taking her if she hurt herself but then I'd also feel bad for letting her off the lead in the woods if she broke a leg while 'coursing' Austin.

It's down to personal opinion and choice.

Best wishes and pate on toast to Jasmine :huggles:

 

[JAX]

and all because she went `LURE coursing !! Sorry folks  I know they love it. but ...............    

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I have been reliably informed that in the history of the BSFA there have been 4 'nasty' accidents. OK 4 too many, but how many hundreds of happy dogs have expressed their delight at those meetings? Whippets are born to run & Jasmine's accident could just as easily have happened running in a field without a Lure anywhere. I am not sure if I am brave enough to Lure Course again, that remains to be seen .... but I am NOT going to be made to feel guilty for enabling my girl to do what she enjoys most.

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It was never my intention to make you feel guilty , thats the last thing Id want to do , sorry

Ive had a dog break his hock and that was just chasing Mayzee in a field , Lure Coursing , whatevere people say makes the dogs `pull all the stops out` and they do go faster than if just running in a field . Mine dont get the opportunaity to chase life quarry for more than a few yards . and I just think lure coursing test them and their bodies to the limit .

And you do , do it for you , dont kid your selves , Mine dont go any more and they dont know they are missing it do they . I loved seeing my gang chasing the Lure and standing waiting for them to have there turn they would be going ballistic , but after seeing one snap its leg (w00t) Nope, sorry , too much for me , And for those who dont know I was/ am invloved in GH racing for nearly 40 years , So Ive seen most things ,but whippets are so much `keener `than GH `s

 

[Mark Roberts]

Lure Coursing and racing your dogs in a controlled organised enviroment is far safer that free running then in an open eviroment where they are running into the unknown.

in 4 years of running lure coursing meetings we've not had 1 serious accident, just the odd bruised toe.

Whippets are born to chase/work their little bodys are built for twisting and turning IMO theres no other breed of dog that can match a whippet at following a whippet round a lure coursing course (So far we've had Whippets,Greyhounds,Lurechers, Terriers, Salukies and a fat lab turn up)

Nobody goes lure coursing/racing/coursing just for their dogs, we do it cos we love seeing our dogs fullfilling as closly as possible the function for which the breed was developed all those years ago.

 

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Did the lab win?! :- "

 

[Mark Roberts]

it was a solo, at the end i was bringing the line in and it started chasing so took it round the course of about 450yds it was knackard after its run lol

 

[pamalkie]

Very intersting thread. :thumbsup:

:huggles: to Jasmine hope shes feeling better soon :huggles: Love that pic of her in the pool :wub:

 

[Cleopatra]

AHH poor Jasmine, hope she gets better soon! :huggles:

My Billy at 7 months snapped his cruciate ligament just running across the park!

He didnt even yelp, just started to limp really badly, and i wasnt insured, very costly :b .So accidents can and do happen, some are just unlucky.

 

[Janimal]

I used to race my first whippetyears ago , this was from Traps ....Scratch to 20 Yards. The dogs had to be under 21 inches tall and weighed in at every race meeting, then on hanging scales.

My dog was quite fast and won several handicaps and Trophies. :thumbsup: but she was only 18 inches and often came up against 21" dogs.

Would anyone on K9 like to tell me the main Differences between Lure Coursing and Racing (with a Mechanical Hare) or RAG as we called it, because Ive never been to Lure Course Meeting Ever) maybe we could start another thread ..... I just would love to know more about it. :unsure:

 

[BeeJay]

With lure coursing the lure is dragged around rollers which are placed so as to make the dog turn instead of running in a straight line. The idea is that it simulates hare coursing which we all know that it can't 'cause the lure is turning the dog rather than the dog turning the hare etc etc. However it's the best that we can do now. It's good fun to watch and most of the dogs love doing it.

The dogs run in pairs. Mark I believe runs stakes but the BSFA doesn't. The dogs are marked as to their performance rather than first past post wins. The dogs are hand slipped and with the BSFA they run unmuzzled like they do when coursing.

There is a closed loop system which the BSFA use and Mark uses an open loop system. The difference is that the line always remains around the rollers in a closed loop system.

That's the basics.

 

[Janimal]

Thanks Barbara for that - very interesting - I wondered why on the photos it didnt look like the dogs were running straight - now I know why :blink: :- "

 

[~JO~]

Ive had a dog break his hock and that was just chasing Mayzee in a field , Lure Coursing , whatevere people say makes the dogs `pull all the stops out` and they do go faster than if just running in a field . Mine dont get the opportunaity to chase life quarry for more than a few yards . and I just think lure coursing test them and their bodies to the limit  .

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Well this is not the case for me Jax, living in a rural area I cannot let the whips off in any field without the worry of live game getting up - and boy they push themselves harder and faster then they ever probably would after a lure. They love chasing the lure, but LIVE game - thats something different!!

When Archie was 10 months old he was trotting alonside me to heel, next minute he was gone (through a barbed wired fence) I looked across the field and saw a hare get up he chased that flat out through a really thick hedge with a ditch on the otherside through another barbed wired fence and into a field of crops (w00t) Very luckily he was unscathed (as was the hare) apart from being VERY happy and absolutely shattered. My point is chasing live game like this that can happen at any point when you least expect it and this tests and pushes them harder than any lure.

I try to only let me dogs free run in fields I know are the most unlikely to have any quarry in them, but even in the 'safest' places when you least expect it something will pop up!

But of course I completely understand your point of view, if I had seen my dog snap something I would think twice before doing it again for sure , but presently I can't see any greater risk then when I free-run them.

Anyway - Lots of :luck: to Jasmine, I hope she recovers quickly!

 

[Zephyr]

Lots of love and good luck to Jasmine for her continued recovery.

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Fascinating discussion regarding the pros and cons of lure coursing - my very limited experience of attending one event was that it was fantastic to watch - very exciting, the dogs loved it - BUT one greyhound was rushed to the vet with two suspected broken/dislocated toes, one whippet had bad burns from the wire, and one whippet who had a very painful back requiring several trips to the chiropracter. And those were just the injuries that I know about. So I have to say it rather put me off - especially when I heard about Jasmine.

But I throw a frisbee for my dog every day, and although I am really careful and try to throw it low so that he doesn't jump in the air and twist for it, I am really aware that it is theoretically possible that he could have severe injuries with that. But the reason I got him hooked on it, was that I can take him anywhere for a walk and he doesn't even look at anything else, so it ensures he can have lots of free running and good exercise without worrying about him taking off and possibly getting run over. :thumbsup:

I guess we all have to balance these things in our minds and come to our own decisions about them. :thumbsup:

 

[dessie]

Poor Jasmine! Hope she continues to impove Bridget

and all because she went `LURE coursing !! Sorry folks  I know they love it. but ...............    

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IMO this is a totally thoughtless and uncalled for remark. Jax, I hope you never have the misfortune to post a topic saying that one of your dogs has been to a show and come back with some illness or other because then we can all thoughtlessly respond

"and all because she went SHOWING!!!"

If you don't want to do something with your dogs, fine, that's your prerogative but don't keep harping on about it because others take their Whippets to an event they enjoy (dogs and humans) and are prepared to take the minimal risk. Each to their own, live and let live.

 

[whippetmad]

awwwwwwwwww lots of :* :* :* :* to Jasmine and :huggles: :huggles: