Joint Supplements

[zilloot]

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Does anybody here give their older dog a joint supplement???

I'm looking for recommendations for Morgan; she's just finishing a big tub of glucosamine-type product which seems to have kept her movement quite fluid but at £70 a tub (w00t) , it's a bit daft.

She gets oily fish twice a week but as she's on a complete food I don't like to over-supplement. But I do think she could do with something glucosamine-based that is not going to cost the earth! (Although she's worth it and if I can't find something alternative she will get the £70 tub again....)

 

[Rae]

Course she's worth it :huggles: but there will be a lot fewer jumpers for Lottie Mae (w00t)

We use synoquin for Vader & Holly which works out at approx £50 per 3 months supply. Tie gets Joint Aid, £10 for a months supply and I must admit I've been really impressed with it.

 

[Louise_Simon]

My old greyhound is fed Oscars Pinacle of Life complete food, since shes been on it she seems to have had less problems with her joints and general stiffness. Its got glucosamine in it

 

[kita]

I use Green Lipped Mussel tablets from the health food shop (about 10 pounds for 90) for my boy, I am sure it has kept him going for three or four years now, if ever I miss a day he finds it difficult to get around and refuses to go on his normal walk. Last year he was ill for a week, off his food for three days (so he missed the tablets). At the end of the week he couldn't stand up on his own. I really thought I was loosing him, but he started to eat again and I managed to start the tablets again. Within two days he was back walking on his own again. I am sure it was the tablets rather than the illness that caused him to seize up.

They don't have glucosamine in them, but you can get combinations of green lipped mussel and glucosamine.

Recently I have tried him on glucosamine and chondrotine but did not notice any improvement so I stopped it. (My dog is a giant breed and is now 11).

 

[stormydog]

"holland and barret" do GLUCOSAMINE SULPHATE tablets just the job for connective tissue and cartilage.

john

 

[dessie]

I use Healthspan Glucosamine products, their ingredients are pure and they are very competitive price-wise with a good selection of various strengths and combos. You can buy on-line or by telephone and their service is very quick.

The other product I use is Wendals Herbs Easymover. Does exactly what it says on the tub!!!

 

[da.fildes]

I've just been recomened Glucosamine with Chondroitin by the vet for my girl who has broken her toes. He said that it takes 6 weeks for it to build up in the body so to give double the dose for the first 6 weeks. I like it and I have decided to keep her on it. The best that I have found so far is Joint complex Powder £7.95 for 500mg from Zipvit at www.zipvit.co.uk. As it's new to me I can't yet say how long it lasts. I have also been told the Chondroitin helps to absorb the Glucosamineand that the younger dogs can benifit from Cod Liver Oil.

 

[midlanderkeith]

I've just been recomened Glucosamine with Chondroitin by the vet for my girl who has broken her toes. He said that it takes 6 weeks for it to build up in the body so to give double the dose for the first 6 weeks. I like it and I have decided to keep her on it. The best that I have found so far is Joint complex Powder £7.95 for 500mg from Zipvit at www.zipvit.co.uk. As it's new to me I can't yet say how long it lasts. I have also been told the Chondroitin helps to absorb the Glucosamineand that the younger dogs can benifit from Cod Liver Oil.

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500 mg cod liver oil capsule every other day

 

[FeeFee]

I use Seraquin, which is Glucosamine Hydrochloride and Chrondriotin. It has definitely helped Molly, my 13 year old greyhound, a lot. Before I started her on it she used to get very stiff and didn't want to walk far, and also suffered from cramp frequently, now she seems much more comfortable and often has a run with the others.

Glucosamine Hydrocholride is more concentrated than Glucosamine Sulphate, and is supposed to be more easily absorbed - it seems more expensive but you probably need a lower dose to be effective. Most veterinary products are Glucosamine Hydrochloride, as opposed to 'human' supplements you might buy in a health food shop which are usually Glucosamine Sulphate. I buy online, which is quite a lot cheaper than buying from my vet.

The other thing that I'm convinced has helped Molly is a Bioflow collar. I was pretty sceptical, but got one on the basis that it at least couldn't do any harm. Within a week of wearing it Molly was jumping into the back of the car, which she hadn't been able to do for ages.

 

[sharron]

i know zebs not that old yet, he gets cod liver oil every day (apart from wed and thurs were he get tinned fish). but been thinking of giving him garlic tablets. Just dont know that much about it.

 

[~JO~]

I'll just let you know what we (Dorwest Herbs) do for joints:

Rather than just 'supplements' we manufacture 2 fully licenced herbal medicines for arthritis and rheumatism. These have been licensed since 1977 and have been on the market for long before that! They are safe and effective:

Garlic & Fenugreek tablets

Mixed Vegetable tablets.

Both licensed for these condition but best used in conjunction as they work in different ways.

Please can everyone be careful giving human products to animals, just because it is good for us does not necessarily mean it is good for our dogs. Also dosages are hard to work out, so often so called 'alternative' products are dismissed as being no good when actually they have just got the dosaging wrong or are giving poor quality supplements.

There is absolutely NO controls on quality, safety or effectiveness on any product which is not licensed by the VMD.

Also FeeFee is exactly right - is glucosamine hydrochloride which is more effective for dogs rather than sulphate.

 

[zilloot]

Thanks for all the information. I'll ask our vet and see what they sell too. I think the Joint Aid she's been on has made a difference but it did cost £70 for the tub. Maybe I can get it cheaper elsewhere.

Any idea where I can get a bioflow collar?

 

[Janimal]

I think if you contact Rae on K9 she sells Bioflow products. :thumbsup:

 

[Rae]

Thanks Janis

Yes I'm a distributor for the bioflow collars - they are £35 plus p&p.

They have a 90 day money back guarantee - if you are not satisfied with them after 90 days they will refund 85% of your money. I've never had a product returned in 2 years of selling them.

Magnetism will help with some things, ie help repair but otherwise it's a case of being a drug free pain relief option. None of mine (not even Holly) are on metacam anymore, although they are back on their food supplements after a 2 year break as I wanted to still maintain their old arthritic joints, as well as relieve any pain. I've also got a spare collar that Leia often uses if she over does it on her leg (that was shattered 2 years ago) or for Star/Supe after racing.

 

[zilloot]

My only hesitation with a bio collar is that I don't like my dogs wearing collars unless we're out for a walk. I'm always worried someone gets tangled or caught-up when they're playing etc in the house when I'm not around.

Otherwise it sounds like a good idea. :thumbsup:

 

[zilloot]

I use Seraquin, which is Glucosamine Hydrochloride and Chrondriotin.  It has definitely helped Molly, my 13 year old greyhound, a lot.  Before I started her on it she used to get very stiff and didn't want to walk far, and also suffered from cramp frequently, now she seems much more comfortable and often has a run with the others.
Glucosamine Hydrocholride is more concentrated than Glucosamine Sulphate, and is supposed to be more easily absorbed - it seems more expensive but you probably need a lower dose to be effective.  Most veterinary products are Glucosamine Hydrochloride, as opposed to 'human' supplements you might buy in a health food shop which are usually Glucosamine Sulphate.  I buy online, which is quite a lot cheaper than buying from my vet.

The other thing that I'm convinced has helped Molly is a Bioflow collar.  I was pretty sceptical, but got one on the basis that it at least couldn't do any harm. Within a week of wearing it Molly was jumping into the back of the car, which she hadn't been able to do for ages.

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Where can I get Seraquin please????

 

[FeeFee]

I've used Petmeds and Vet-Medic in the past - both quite a bit cheaper than my vet and very fast delivery.

I'm sure there was thread recently about buying meds online which might have other sites, but I can't find it

In Molly's case her arthritis treatment is covered by insurance, so I haven't really shopped around for the best price as I pay the annual excess and then the rest is covered; I just object in principal to paying £55 at the vet for something I can get for less than £40 elsewhere.

 

[pollyanna]

I got a bioflow collar for twiggy and it certainly helped with her stiffness. She also takes a joint supplement. I have recently tried the collar on Lily (who is improving by leaps and bounds, by the way) and it has helped her stiffness too. They now wear it on alternate days!! :- "

I massage both dogs every morning before their walk to get their limbs warm and that seems to help them too.