Knock Off Accidents

[DavidH]

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at the pick up i.m.o.

i think marked boxes at each side WELL BACK.better than pins as could cause injury to dogs as some dogs fly all over.

where folks should stay until ALL the dogs are settled on the lure.getting stupid folks and dogs flying all over some folks standing next to the string (w00t)

think its time something was sorted folks and dogs getting injured for no reason.

maybe if folks where disqualified if they came out of the boxes before all dogs settled on the lure.

loads of dogs go past then fly back in,ok, folks like to get in and pick up before all dogs on the lure (w00t) but are risking themselves and other people dogs???

 

[Vicky]

at the pick up i.m.o.i think marked boxes at each side WELL BACK.better than pins as could cause injury to dogs as some dogs fly all over.

where folks should stay until ALL the dogs are settled on the lure.getting stupid folks and dogs flying all over some folks standing next to the string (w00t)

think its time something was sorted folks and dogs getting injured for no reason.

maybe if folks where disqualified if they came out of the boxes before all dogs settled on the lure.

loads of dogs go past then fly back in,ok, folks like to get in and pick up before all dogs on the lure (w00t) but are risking themselves and other people dogs???

Totally agree, i know people want to get in quick to stop their own dogs getting knocked about but half the time they cause more harm than good especially with the scratch dogs.

 

[rodders]

Agree completely David :thumbsup: maybe a fine if they come out the boxes.Folk must remember the dogs eyes are on the lure,(not on the surrounding area)

 

[wild whippies]

at the pick up i.m.o.i think marked boxes at each side WELL BACK.better than pins as could cause injury to dogs as some dogs fly all over.

where folks should stay until ALL the dogs are settled on the lure.getting stupid folks and dogs flying all over some folks standing next to the string (w00t)

think its time something was sorted folks and dogs getting injured for no reason.

maybe if folks where disqualified if they came out of the boxes before all dogs settled on the lure.

loads of dogs go past then fly back in,ok, folks like to get in and pick up before all dogs on the lure (w00t) but are risking themselves and other people dogs???

Totally agree, i know people want to get in quick to stop their own dogs getting knocked about but half the time they cause more harm than good especially with the scratch dogs.

Same here, the temptation to 'rescue' your dog is hard to resist but trust me your hound's, faster, smarter and a damn site more agile than you.

I did ask where I should stand before that race was run because in fairness I wasn't sure where to stand myself. It would be better to have boxes marked off but I don't know if disqualifying folk for coming out of the boxes after dogs have settled on the lure is a suitable penalty because some dogs ( a minority) run to their owners.

I think if you come out the box and get hit, you should be liable for all costs / treatment to the dog, even if this is just a check-up.

 

[fallenangel]

at the pick up i.m.o.i think marked boxes at each side WELL BACK.better than pins as could cause injury to dogs as some dogs fly all over.

where folks should stay until ALL the dogs are settled on the lure.getting stupid folks and dogs flying all over some folks standing next to the string (w00t)

think its time something was sorted folks and dogs getting injured for no reason.

maybe if folks where disqualified if they came out of the boxes before all dogs settled on the lure.

loads of dogs go past then fly back in,ok, folks like to get in and pick up before all dogs on the lure (w00t) but are risking themselves and other people dogs???

Totally agree, i know people want to get in quick to stop their own dogs getting knocked about but half the time they cause more harm than good especially with the scratch dogs.

Same here, the temptation to 'rescue' your dog is hard to resist but trust me your hound's, faster, smarter and a damn site more agile than you.

I did ask where I should stand before that race was run because in fairness I wasn't sure where to stand myself. It would be better to have boxes marked off but I don't know if disqualifying folk for coming out of the boxes after dogs have settled on the lure is a suitable penalty because some dogs ( a minority) run to their owners.

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i think being liable for cost is a good idea or a fine as we have for loes dogs. i know one of mine runs to tony as soon as the lure stops moving so even in that case its better if everyones in a safe place. the dogs will soon get used to waiting for the owners than being picked up in mid turn or run. even an officel to signle its ok to collcet your dogs now so the first seconds of madness are carm before everyone steps in

I think if you come out the box and get hit, you should be liable for all costs / treatment to the dog, even if this is just a check-up

 

[mutley]

either roped or box lines needed like old hall saves a lot of trouble and simple to do at most opens

 

[wild whippies]

The only thing about rope is that it needs to be suspended high and parallel with the track rather than meeting to a point with a stake holding it, I do worry about dogs being distracted by one another at the knock off and either hitting the stake or the rope. Funnels that taper out before the finish work well because you can usually see your dog from the traps whilst remaining in a safe spot and I think they encourage the scratch dogs to spread out as the run through the knock off (cos let's face it, they never manage to stop at it)

 

[rob67]

Maybe part of the solution should be that no-one picks their dogs up unless all dogs in the race have come back to the lure,or have finished chasing. Ty is a git for going into the lure hard after a race and have seen some near misses with people picking their dogs up. Maybe people want to pick their dogs up too quickly, before the race has finished, i don't know, unfortunately to the detriment of themselves or dogs in the race.

Hope arthurs ok

chris

 

[Trojan]

either roped or box lines needed like old hall saves a lot of trouble and simple to do at most opens

I do sympathise and agree that on occasions accidents do happen at pick up to dogs/owners and feel the likes of Old Hall roping off etc is a good idea and works well most of the time, as does pick up at most tracks most of the time. I do think to fine, have officials etc is going a bit far, and lets face it we find it hard enough to get officials to do the jobs that require doing at the moment let alone adding another to check people picking up their charges don't leave the designated box until told or dogs all settled :b In all walks of life, sports etc accidents unfortunately do happen and this is what they are accidents, yes we can do our best to prevent these things happening good pickup areas etc., ropes, behind lines etc. but not sure i agree with officials and fines at the finish.

 

[Doobryfirkin]

you allready have enough officials at the line to deal with this problem all you need is for one person to watch the owners of the dogs running to make sure they do not go for the dogs to soon i would volenteer to do it but only when my dogs are not running

Tony

 

[Karen-Coral]

how about colour co-ordinated plastic hula hoops to stand in? light, cheap and easy to store and pretty well shouts who should be in them.

red-red box

blue-blue box etc....

 

[rob67]

how about colour co-ordinated plastic hula hoops to stand in? light, cheap and easy to store and pretty well shouts who should be in them.red-red box

blue-blue box etc....

Oooooooooooh, like that idea If you can manage to keep the hoop movin ( have visions of steve doing the hula hoop dance karen!! lol) then maybe you can get double top gun or whippet top ten points lol

Wonder who would get the glittery one then !!lol

chris

 

[rodders]

how about colour co-ordinated plastic hula hoops to stand in? light, cheap and easy to store and pretty well shouts who should be in them.red-red box

blue-blue box etc....

Oooooooooooh, like that idea If you can manage to keep the hoop movin ( have visions of steve doing the hula hoop dance karen!! lol) then maybe you can get double top gun or whippet top ten points lol

Wonder who would get the glittery one then !!lol

chris

:lol: Trust you Chris :- PMSL

 

[mutley]

either roped or box lines needed like old hall saves a lot of trouble and simple to do at most opens

I do sympathise and agree that on occasions accidents do happen at pick up to dogs/owners and feel the likes of Old Hall roping off etc is a good idea and works well most of the time, as does pick up at most tracks most of the time. I do think to fine, have officials etc is going a bit far, and lets face it we find it hard enough to get officials to do the jobs that require doing at the moment let alone adding another to check people picking up their charges don't leave the designated box until told or dogs all settled :b In all walks of life, sports etc accidents unfortunately do happen and this is what they are accidents, yes we can do our best to prevent these things happening good pickup areas etc., ropes, behind lines etc. but not sure i agree with officials and fines at the finish.

like you say accidents happen dont think fining anyone would acheive anything if rope dosnt work then boxes painted either side of knock off would work or even hoops as said by boidy

 

[comeonsteveuk]

how about colour co-ordinated plastic hula hoops to stand in? light, cheap and easy to store and pretty well shouts who should be in them.red-red box

blue-blue box etc....

very good like it :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[gabbitas31]

How about the line judge, who can see the dogs go by blowing a whistle to signal the owners to pick up their dogs,

:teehee: one long blast on the whistle signals all owners can move. ( just a thought) :thumbsup: Di

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

touchy subject,,,,at end off the day u wont stop owners stepping out and picking up there dog,,,,i,e some dog,s somtimes dont settle on lure, there just hellbent in going mad after line with other dogs,,thus making the owner step out and grap there dog not wanting it cos too much chew ,,,knocking the other dog,s about,its a natural reaction

what happens when a dog has a muzzel off ??? wait till they settle on lure ??? (dont think so )

i know it,s a hard one to call,,,and accidents do happen,,,and when i was at old hall years ago at a champ metting,,,i find the roping out part did help althou its probably not full proof, did make for a tidyer pick up,,,

( food for thought,,,,if u have a 16lber and a 32lber in same race , chances are the owner off the 16lber will move out quicker to pick up,,,to be honest i dont blame them )

 

[DavidH]

i think owners should be responsible and if marked area /ropes in place,they should stay until safe to pick up.maybe note on programmes .

so if someone flys in to pick up a 16 lber and fractions after a h/w flys in hits the owner causing injury to the owner,and its only time before a fatality to the h/w.

but the 16lber is picked and thats ok. :- 9 times out of 10 the h/w pulls out,as the littluns are impossible to catch unless 1/2 then ussually they all go over together.

when you watch at the moment folks are standing in the middle even when dogs are over the line.seen folks jumping up dogs going underneath them .con centrating on there dogs, and the others with only the lure in mind flying all over. many times i have shouted get out of the way waiting for the bang :rant: lthink there has been to many accidents and things need sorting at both club/open .

as ya do injured as is go2. 2 of the fastest dogs around and fantastic to watch side lined through this problem.and the poor lady with server knee injurys . poor arthur in his 70s said he was ok but had a nasty lump on his knee,lovely bloke and not nice to see him knock over at his age. i go to race my dogs,and to watch others have great races

not to see folks and dogs carted off after the race end.

needs sorting every ones welfare at the pick up.

 

[got-the-cent]

So if you have a dog/bitch that stands over a lure on the knock off and you know a dog in that race comes in hard and fast for example dogs like the late bully beef or ted the red from stockon ect u saying do not jump in and get your dog out the way come on people its NATURE to protect your own is'nt it.All the liable crap really p-sses me off.ITS WHIPPET RACING FOR GOD SAKE its getting were you will be scared to race a dog in case you get sued ect and the end of it or best put this bit in incase i get sued OMO.What's next you cannot say the colour of a dog just incase its racist fgs GET A GRIP ACCIDENTS HAPPEN IN EVERY WALK OF LIFE :angry:

 

[weathergirls]

don't think fining people is the answer some owners just need to be more aware of the dangers to themselves and the dogs in these situations, maybe putting reminders on the programmes at all race meetings including club racing because it can happen there as well, think the roping off as they do at Old Hall is the most restrictive it needs to be high enough so as not to cause a problem to the dogs but low and tight enough to restrict the handlers from being able to duck under it