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Labradoodle undercoats

Discussion in 'Dog Grooming' started by Knackered, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Knackered

    Knackered New Member Registered

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    hi
    Odd question maybe, do labradoodles have undercoats?
     
  2. JoanneF

    JoanneF Well-Known Member Registered

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    It depends! With a crossbreed there are variations even between littermates. If you need to know about a specific dog you would need to ask a groomer to look at the coat.
     
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    Labradoodles can have undercoats but it depends ask your groomer to have a look for you :)
     
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    I thought most double-coaters were pastoral herders: shelties, GSD's...corgis, etc. Neither poodles nor labs are, so maybe this is just a single woolly coat?
     
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    Double-coated dogs are in all groups - herding, hunt / gundogs, scenthound, sighthound, U name it.
    They have an outer coat of stiffer guard hair, which sheds water, & an undercoat of softer hair as insulation.

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    In UK, Terri, many labs are classed as single-coated though you're right there can be double-coaters too. I think there's a lot of variation between show and working lines. I've only known single coated labs BUT either type seem to moult non-stop throughout the year. Too high maintenance for me. :( I'd sort-of assumed doodles would be bred from single-coated labs because the point of them originally was to be non-shedding.
     
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    QUOTE, merlina:

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    I'd sort-of assumed "LabraDoodles" [Lab x Poodle] would be bred from single-coated Labs, because the point of [the original cross] was to be non-shedding.

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    Labradors, to the best of my knowledge, are classed as smooth-coats, but they do have undercoats.

    The theory in breeding a cross of Labs & Poodles was that their crossbred progeny would get the non-shed AKA mandatory-groom coat of the Poodle parent, supposedly over-riding the SHED EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES Lab-parent's coat.
    As it turned out,
    - 50% of the F1 progeny shed into the environs every day,
    - 50% shed into the coat like the Poodle - &
    - all of the crossbred pups inherit the mandatory-groom coat texture.

    I'm not sure why the original breeder thot that mandatory-groom was a dominant trait that required only one mandatory-groom parent to determine shed-into-coat, vs shed-into-surroundings.

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  8. leashedForLife

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    QUOTE, Knackered:


    ...do Lab / Poodle crosses have undercoats?
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    @Knackered -
    Yes. :) The texture of their coats, which is more or less curly, causes them to be mandatory-groom AKA 'non-shed'.
    Poodles & Poodle-mixes do shed - as do Airedales, Wire-Coated Fox Terriers, Lhasa-Apsos, Bergomasco, & other curly-coated or wooly-coated breeds, but they shed INTO their own coats, rather than dropping their hairs individually into their surroundings - on the floor, the sofa, the car-seat, ...

    If this shed, dead hair is not regularly combed-out of the live, still-growing coat, it accumulates as dense interwoven mats; smaller mats can be split vertically - as if U were slicing them, parallel to the growth of hair. Once split, the smaller mats can often be carefully combed out.
    Large mats wider than 4-inches often cannot be split - they must be scissored off by hand, or clipped off with electric clippers, being very very careful not to nick, cut, or burn the dog [friction makes the moving parts of the clippers extremely hot, & touching them to the dog's skin can cause painful burns which can even become infected].

    Mats are painful - they pull night & day on the skin beneath them; they collect water, dander, oils from the coat, dirt of all kinds, pollen, bacteria... beneath them, air-flow to the skin is blocked, & yeast will flourish in these dark, moist areas.
    Depending upon where they are, mats can restrict the dog's stride / limit their gait, blind them by covering the eyes, make defecation difficult or impossible, & the sheer weight of accumulated dirty knotted locks adds POUNDS to the dog's own body-weight.

    Mats also affect behavior: a dog who cannot see can become timid & shrinking, or highly reactive - snappy & vocal, barking sharply & biting to send off perceived threats that s/he cannot see. A dog in pain from tight mats will be hypersensitive to touch, & may bite when handled.
    A dog carrying 8 to 12# of mats will overheat easily, & will also be exercise-intolerant - they'll be exhausted just from hauling all that hair around. :(

    - terry

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