Left Too Long?

[kirsty]

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I would be more than happy to check in on the little one but believe me she is not that kind of neighbour :unsure: You hardly get a look most of the time never mind a smile or a hello! She has a husband and two teenage kids so at least the holidays are coming up this week so apart from there fortnight abroad they always go on at the start of the break up, the little one will have the kids to look after him til school goes back. I am hopefully moving soon myself if I ever can get myself a house that there are not another ten people after!

 

[nina]

I think Nina was just putting across the fact that when she said she wouldn’t sell to someone working full time, she meant full time meaning just that full time, where upon a dog would be left for far too long on it’s own. The dog’s welfare is paramount.

A reasonable requirement.

If someone is working 8 hours a day and then also with travelling time added on top, it becomes an unacceptable amount of time for a dog to be on its own.

Don’t think she is condemning anyone who works full time and owns dogs too as long as the dog is not neglected. Obviously if working arrangements are so others

are able to look after the dog and its not on its own all day, there isn’t a problem.

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This is exactly what i meant, glad YOU understood me (w00t)

As i said in a previous post if there are 2 adults BOTH working FULL TIME but there are shifts involved which mean their working hours interact & the pup is only left for a maximum 3 hour period then fine.

BUT with just one person or 2 BOTH working from say 9am -till 5.30pm having to leave the house by say 8.30 & not home till 6pm, even with a rushed half an hour for lunch, in my books its just NOT ON.

We all have different opinions i know. I have turned down many homes because of people working what i considered to be "unacceptable" hours.

I'm sorry BUT i beleive if you take on a pup THEIR needs are paramount not YOURS. Socialisation aside, yes you can work full time & still take a pup to ringcraft EVERY night of the week plus outings at the weekend BUT to me this is NOT the point.

I DONT want a young pup of mine left on its own for 8-10 hours aday no matter how much it is socialised at other times.

I want to know that MY pup is going to an environment where it is going to be stimulated, played with, given attention & have company as much as possible NOT just for a couple of hours in the evening when the owners get home or at weekends.

This is just MY criteria & for those that dont & haven't met it, its not a problem, simply find another breeder who is happy to sell to you, we all know there are plenty out there. :thumbsup:

 

[kris]

i cant agree with vicki that a pup left alone all day can still learn social skills.who is going to teach it any? :unsure: no other dog there,no human there for over 8 hours.apart from anything else when you get home from work you have to cook a meal,do the dishes,clean up,washing,ironing etc etc.also clean up all the mess made by the pup and all the chewing its going to do when its alone for so long and bored. so i just think that its not an ideal situation for any dog.by the time most folk get in from work unless they are truly dedicated then i think the pups needs might come low down on the scale of things to do.ive had folk who ive turned down for a pup ring me up at a later date and say well i got a pup anyway.as long as its not one of mine!,id say :- "

 

[noo]

I dont think anyone is condoning a pup/or adult dog being left for 8 hours?

Dogs/pups can be socialised well when owners work full-time (as long as time spent with dog is quatility) , is what I think viki meant? I work full-time and can vouch for that fact too.

Its not everyones ideal, granted. In fact its not mine either, if I could afford to leave work tomorrow and spend eveyday with them I would. How lovely that would be. )

 

[Vicky]

i cant agree with vicki that a pup left alone all day can still learn social skills.who is going to teach it any? :unsure: no other dog there,no human there for over 8 hours.apart from anything else when you get home from work you have to cook a meal,do the dishes,clean up,washing,ironing etc etc.also clean up all the mess made by the pup and all the chewing its going to do when its alone for so long and bored. so i just think that its not an ideal situation for any dog.by the time most folk get in from work unless they are truly dedicated then i think the pups needs might come low down on the scale of things to do.ive had folk who ive turned down for a pup ring me up at a later date and say well i got a pup anyway.as long as its not one of mine!,id say :- "

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That maybe the case (but we don't know the full story) and like i said in my post for its age it is a long time to be left, but just because someone works you can't say "well they dont have time for a pup when they get in at night", i get in from work and feed 4 of us, housework, visit my grandad etc and still LOADS of time spent solely on my dogs, walking, feeding and massaging etc... :sweating: admitedly a couple more hours in the day would be nice but that's life.

It's entirely up to you who you sell pups to, in an ideal world everyone would be at home all day with their dogs - but in the real world................. I just find it amazing how some breeders manage to home on so many pups if they don't let them go to people who work.

 

[trac]

the neighbour accross the road has a border collie, who is 3 when he was a puppy he was kept in the house & someone would come home at dinner to see to him, when he got to about 6 months he was kept outside, he does have a kennel not heated & thats where he stays all the time no matter waht the weather, i feel so sorry for him in winter,imagine my horror when on sunday they brought a puppy pomeranian home, the daughter told my daughter it was 10 weeks old, it is left in the house from 7.30am until 4-00pm when the girl gets home from school, no one comes home during the day to see to it,may i add this puppy was brought as a reward for the daughter for getting suspended from school for 3 days last week for bringing & drinking alcohol in school at 9.00 am in the morning!! & she is only 13, :angry:

 

[Vicky]

the neighbour accross the road has a border collie, who is 3 when he was a puppy he was kept in the house & someone would come home at dinner to see to him, when he got to about 6 months he was kept outside, he does have a kennel not heated & thats where he stays all the time no matter waht the weather, i feel so sorry for him in winter,imagine my horror when on sunday they brought a puppy pomeranian home, the daughter told my daughter it was 10 weeks old, it is left in the house from 7.30am until 4-00pm when the girl gets home from school, no one comes home during the day to see to it,may i add this puppy was brought as a reward for the daughter for getting suspended from school for 3 days last week for bringing & drinking alcohol in school at 9.00 am in the morning!! & she is only 13,  :angry:

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(w00t) REWARD? WTF?

 

[masta]

i cant agree with vicki that a pup left alone all day can still learn social skills.who is going to teach it any? :unsure: no other dog there,no human there for over 8 hours.apart from anything else when you get home from work you have to cook a meal,do the dishes,clean up,washing,ironing etc etc.also clean up all the mess made by the pup and all the chewing its going to do when its alone for so long and bored. so i just think that its not an ideal situation for any dog.by the time most folk get in from work unless they are truly dedicated then i think the pups needs might come low down on the scale of things to do.ive had folk who ive turned down for a pup ring me up at a later date and say well i got a pup anyway.as long as its not one of mine!,id say :- "

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That maybe the case (but we don't know the full story) and like i said in my post for its age it is a long time to be left, but just because someone works you can't say "well they dont have time for a pup when they get in at night", i get in from work and feed 4 of us, housework, visit my grandad etc and still LOADS of time spent solely on my dogs, walking, feeding and massaging etc... :sweating: admitedly a couple more hours in the day would be nice but that's life.

It's entirely up to you who you sell pups to, in an ideal world everyone would be at home all day with their dogs - but in the real world................. I just find it amazing how some breeders manage to home on so many pups if they don't let them go to people who work.

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i was just thinking the same re the breeders managing to home pups with people that dont work it must be a real headache yet they keep breeding so they must be out there the other problem is who are this band off people that dont work old age,unemployed,workers from home,dad working mum not, each one must have sub problems they have to take into account would you sell to a 70 year old or unemployed as they may get a job? it must be very hard yet the litters keep being advertised

 

[Vicky]

i cant agree with vicki that a pup left alone all day can still learn social skills.who is going to teach it any? :unsure: no other dog there,no human there for over 8 hours.apart from anything else when you get home from work you have to cook a meal,do the dishes,clean up,washing,ironing etc etc.also clean up all the mess made by the pup and all the chewing its going to do when its alone for so long and bored. so i just think that its not an ideal situation for any dog.by the time most folk get in from work unless they are truly dedicated then i think the pups needs might come low down on the scale of things to do.ive had folk who ive turned down for a pup ring me up at a later date and say well i got a pup anyway.as long as its not one of mine!,id say :- "

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That maybe the case (but we don't know the full story) and like i said in my post for its age it is a long time to be left, but just because someone works you can't say "well they dont have time for a pup when they get in at night", i get in from work and feed 4 of us, housework, visit my grandad etc and still LOADS of time spent solely on my dogs, walking, feeding and massaging etc... :sweating: admitedly a couple more hours in the day would be nice but that's life.

It's entirely up to you who you sell pups to, in an ideal world everyone would be at home all day with their dogs - but in the real world................. I just find it amazing how some breeders manage to home on so many pups if they don't let them go to people who work.

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i was just thinking the same re the breeders managing to home pups with people that dont work it must be a real headache yet they keep breeding so they must be out there the other problem is who are this band off people that dont work old age,unemployed,workers from home,dad working mum not, each one must have sub problems they have to take into account would you sell to a 70 year old or unemployed as they may get a job? it must be very hard yet the litters keep being advertised

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My point entirely!!!

 

[*Lesley*]

I work part time and OH works full time luckily for us mum in law lives 3 doors away and comes every day for a play, which isn't the case for everyone, but in all honesty if I didn't work there would be no racing(with diesel costs ect), nice coats and luxury collars treats ect if I didn't because we wouldn't be able to afford those sorts of luxuries then there's the non luxuries such as medical care food and things like that, needs must :thumbsup:

 

[kim & Tilly]

My neighbour has just bought a jack russell puppy 6 wks old had it a fortnight so now he is 8wks old.  She goes to work around 8am then comes home around 12 ish for 15mins then he is left alone again until 4-4.30ish.  I think it is a shame for the poor wee might it is a terribly long day for such a baby to be left surely.  Or is it just me?

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Just a quick question....how did you know it was 6 weeks old when she brought it home, you said you dont talk to her?

Also you didnt mention in your first post she has a OH and kids.....

I work full time and Oh works full time one week we are opposite me 7-3 him 1-10pm, the other he is 6 - 2 im 9 - 6.....

I have two whippets and they are put outside in the run they have a nice inside bit and cusions outside for sunning.....

I love my dogs but we have to work, to pay for their needs and the kids and mine and OH's

Should we not have dogs? or kids? i dont see them all day sometime from one day to the next

 

[nina]

I just find it amazing how some breeders manage to home on so many pups if they don't let them go to people who work.

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i was just thinking the same re the breeders managing to home pups with people that dont work it must be a real headache yet they keep breeding so they must be out there the other problem is who are this band off people that dont work old age,unemployed,workers from home,dad working mum not, each one must have sub problems they have to take into account would you sell to a 70 year old or unemployed as they may get a job? it must be very hard yet the litters keep being advertised

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Well i think you have just hit the nail on the head here :thumbsup:

Thats just it, the people who do have the headaches finding exactly the right homes that they are looking for & worry where their pups are going DONT keep breeding hand over fist as they know how hard it is :wacko:

Myself, having only ever parted with 5 pups in 16 years knows for a fact its not easy to find what you yourself consider to be the right homes, so to keep on breeding regardlessly in my mind would be totally irresponsible.

The majority of the people that breed litter after litter & keep advertising are not always shall we say so "choosy".

The right homes are out there if you are willing to put in the effort of finding them & home checking them.

My homes include a middle aged couple where the husband works but wife is home all day.

A lady who lives with her mum & does just a couple of hours part time a week but mum is home all day.

A retired lady & her husband in their late 50's.

A young lady in her 30's who teaches children a couple of hours a day from home.

And lastly a lovely young couple, husband works full time but the lady is an artist who works from home.

No they weren't easy to find & i did many home checks & drove many hundreds of miles to ensure that I was happy with where my pups were going.

But it can be done & as i said before if i had not of found exactly what i was looking for then the pups would have remained with me :thumbsup:

 

[kirsty]

My neighbour has just bought a jack russell puppy 6 wks old had it a fortnight so now he is 8wks old.  She goes to work around 8am then comes home around 12 ish for 15mins then he is left alone again until 4-4.30ish.  I think it is a shame for the poor wee might it is a terribly long day for such a baby to be left surely.  Or is it just me?

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Just a quick question....how did you know it was 6 weeks old when she brought it home, you said you dont talk to her?

Also you didnt mention in your first post she has a OH and kids.....

I work full time and Oh works full time one week we are opposite me 7-3 him 1-10pm, the other he is 6 - 2 im 9 - 6.....

I have two whippets and they are put outside in the run they have a nice inside bit and cusions outside for sunning.....

I love my dogs but we have to work, to pay for their needs and the kids and mine and OH's

Should we not have dogs? or kids? i dont see them all day sometime from one day to the next

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What I said was that she is the kind of person that only speaks e.g says hi if it suits her and by that I mean she can be coming out of her car the same time as I am coming out of mine and she purposely totally blanks you. I knew it was six weeks as it wandered into my front garden and I handed him back over and I said what a tiny puppy and she told me his age.

I don't think anyone is saying that anyone should not have dogs or kids if they work, only that a tiny puppy being left all day is a bit of a shame. I am sure many young/older dogs get left in the house when people work.

 

[05whippet]

I have a question and it is purely from an interested point of view only!

Those of you who work and leave their dogs all day (if there are any on here) as in: you work from 8am - 5.30pm,if there is no-one else in the house and the dog is left all that time on it's own,when you have pups,how on earth do you house train them??? :blink: and this is just out of interest I am not getting at anybody,I know how difficult it can be housebreaking a pup (as they cannot hold themselves for that length of time) and I am here all day with my dogs!!

 

[noo]

Despite my personal views on responsible working owners, it must be a tad gut wrenchin to let pups go in the first place and i have total respect for anyone who drives hundreds of miles to home check to ensure their pups are given the best lives possible. I suppose no-one can predict the unknown should a pup be given to a non-working situation that changes? But then all good breeders I presume give strict instuctions that dogs be returned to them should owners no longer feel able to cope?

Hopefully the owner of the pup in question has the same deal should she need it.

 

[nina]

Despite my personal views on responsible working owners, it must be a tad gut wrenchin to let pups go in the first place and i totally applaude those who do drive hundreds of miles and home check till they drop to ensure their pups are given the best lives possible. I suppose no-one can predict the unknown should a pup be given to a non-working situation that changes? But then all good breeders I presume give strict instuctions that dogs be returned to them should owners no longer feel able to cope?

Hopefully the owner of the pup in question has the same deal should she need it.

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It is gut wrenching you are right & as its you that has bought them into the world its up to you to do right by them, thats MY policy.

Mine go with a contract to say they will be returned immediately at ANY stage in their life isf something goes wrong or the situation changes at any time, they are NEVER to be passed on or re-homed.

Also their KC papers are endorsed & owners told in advance.

Regular contact is then always kept & good friendships formed :thumbsup:

 

[05whippet]

Despite my personal views on responsible working owners, it must be a tad gut wrenchin to let pups go in the first place and i totally applaude those who do drive hundreds of miles and home check till they drop to ensure their pups are given the best lives possible. I suppose no-one can predict the unknown should a pup be given to a non-working situation that changes? But then all good breeders I presume give strict instuctions that dogs be returned to them should owners no longer feel able to cope?

Hopefully the owner of the pup in question has the same deal should she need it.

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It is gut wrenching you are right & as its you that has bought them into the world its up to you to do right by them, thats MY policy.

Mine go with a contract to say they will be returned immediately at ANY stage in their life isf something goes wrong or the situation changes at any time, they are NEVER to be passed on or re-homed.

Also their KC papers are endorsed & owners told in advance.

Regular contact is then always kept & good friendships formed :thumbsup:

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Personally I completely agree with all of the above,and I would just like to add that I think as a breeder you should be responsible for your pups for the rest of their lives all of them!!

 

[nina]

Personally I completely agree with all of the above,and I would just like to add that I think as a breeder you should be responsible for your pups for the rest of their lives all of them!!

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100% agree :thumbsup:

 

[noo]

whippet05 - in answer to your earlier questions.

When i got Nelly myself and my partner were in full-time employment. My partner worked shifts however so some days Nelly was alone for only an hour. The days when our shifts were the same (9-5) I came home every lunch time for 45 minutes and took Nelly to the park (behind the flat - yep we lived in a flat too (runs for cover)). As I work out in the community I was also able to call home whenever possible (in between meeting clients) to ensure she was ok, let her out, play with her ect.

Being in a flat (and having park behind) actually meant that Nelly was usually taken to the park many times a day (if it wasnt raining - heaven forbid i hear Nelly say. lol) and not just outside to pee. Having never owned a dog previously (and bieng in a flat) i was constantly panicking that I was dong what was best for her. In fact she was probably sick of bieng taken out. lol.

I was however VERY aware of our working hours and concerned that she was being looked after properly, so literally at every opportunity I was home with her, even if (apart from lunch) it was only a 20 min stop.

She was socialised with our pet friendly mates and their pets from a very young age and initially I took time off work to get her used to her new environment.

Im now living in a house with large yard and have aquired a lovely greyhound too. They love each other v much. We call home whenever possible during the day and evenings are spent in the park. Weekends too are spent in the park or at the beach, and visits to my parents who have lots of land are an occassional weekend treat loved by them both. In fact they sometimes go just for holidays - my parents love em to bits.

When we are not in the park they are playing in the yard with us, lounged on sofas with us, at friends houses with us or snuggled under our duvet.

My partner now is self employed so time spent with them does increase as time goes on. I would love to work less hours and I would love a large garden but until finances allow this isnt gonna happen. This doesn't alter however the fact that they are happy, secure, spoilt and adored.

 

[kris]

i havent bred for a number of years now and i did say that i would probably have a problem with it now as circumstances have changed a lot and people now both have to work as the price of housing has risen tremendously in the last few years.but ill be perfectly honest,i ALWAYS had a waiting list for pups and i could pick and choose where they went.i very rarely advertised as my pups were sold by word of mouth.i even sold a pup to a lady vet in southern ireland and the ladys friends who were vets over here recommended me to her.that pup had a fab home and she used to send me pics of him running on the beach.he was taken to work with her every day and was never alone.i had the time,money and room to keep pups and to run them on if neccessary.i didnt work, my full time job was looking after my dogs.a luxury i know.most folk i sold my pups too were young married couples,some already with children,some not,some worked part time and the pup would only be alone for a couple of hours which i didnt have a problem with.in a few cases the wife worked longer than a couple of hours but mum lived across the road or round the corner and would be helping out with the pup.in those cases i actually went to meet mum and check she knew what she was taking on and that it wouldnt be a problem.i always made them sign a contract saying the dog would be given back to me if there was any change in circumstances.i still get xmas cards and letters from my puppy people and over the years ive sold a second pup to couples whose first dog has died of old age.they said they wouldnt dream of going elsewhere.maybe cos i was always available to my puppy people as i believed that the job wasnt finished once the cheque was cashed and the dog paid for.i used to tell them to mither me and to always ring me if anything was wrong or if they had any problems or even if they just wanted to chat.i think by doing this and making sure i was available that folk felt they could trust me and give me a ring if there was anything they werent sure of or if they had any questions they wanted to ask.i always used to put this on the diet sheet and instructions making sure they knew they werent mithering as that pup was bred by me and i felt a lifelong commitment towards it and its family.by doing this a lot of small, simple problems were sorted before they became big problems. :thumbsup: