No More Chicken Wings

[Mark Roberts]

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OH's ESS were always fed solely on complete feed. As they got older we have had great problems with them remaining healthy, mainly digestive problems. I have since changed them over to meat/biscuit and equilibrium has been restored, so all I can conclude is that since giving up conventional vaccinations and feeding my dogs on a BARF diet they are much healthier. Other than that, each to their own!!

Have to agree 100% Dessie

We started feeding Raw Meat/Veg about 9 months ago now to the racers but kept the oldies on a compleat food (dont know why?)

anyway just before we went to Cornwall this year we had decided that due to our old bitch (12) being realy wobbly on her back legs causing her to fall over we decided that when we got back we would have her PTS as she's also now deaf and lost partial sight, while in Cornwall we fed all the dogs including the oldies on Raw beef/veg/rice by the time we came back from Cornwall 3 weeks later our old bitch was steady on her legs running round the garden again with the other younger dogs and now looks like being with us for a few years yet.

The only change she had was what we fed her on. ?

many Complete foods are made up mainly of bulking agents (wheat ect) to make the dogs feel full and vitamins and minerals.

They serve the purpose very well and many many dogs do very well on them.

But (and i'm going to be a bit :x now) if you look at the number and size of poo's a dog on compleat food does compared with the dog on raw meat/veg (and I have looked into this having had some on complete and some on raw) the dogs fed on raw does less in both amount a day & size meaning that most of what goes into a dog fed raw meat/veg is used up and turned into energy where as a dog fed on complete seems to pass a lot more out meaning less is being digested? (common sense if you think about it?)

i'd never go back to feeding complete foods now, since changing to raw meat/veg our dogs coats are shinyer, they are a lot livelyer and seem a lot happyer in themselves.

 

[Karen]

Clearing up what I said about faddy diet. I have fed raw meat and veg and marrow bones for 35 years but when we were young the one thing people did NOT give thier dogs was chicken bones.

Dogs were fed a real mixture I dont think BARF is that sort of mixture it is a specific regime, a specific faddy diet, the same as complete foods became 'the thing' to feed a few years back. Most people went over to complete then and now they are changing thier own minds about it. The same will happen with the chicken wings.

I had to have a chicken bone removed from my dogs soft palete and weeks of antibiotics because it had been there a few days. I remembered clearing up chicken feathers and its head which a fox had taken from my neighbours and the dogs must have got the rest, unlucky I know. My dogs will kill and eat a rabbit but I always think that rabbit meat sticks to thier bones far better than chicken. But again it boils down to the Whippets hunting naturally and me as an owner making a consious decision to fed these things.

I have never fed my dogs chicken wings, they are probably more brittle than the legs because they are lighter and more hollow. I guess necks would be the safest bet.

But as Dessie says 'each to his own' and the above is only my opinion.

Incidentaly I used to work for a greyhound man who raised a whole litter of puppies on spuds and cabbage with just a cow head now and then and they were excellent in looks and speed.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Karen,

We tried Chicken wings as a means of supplying natural calcium rather than powderd but after the experiance I wrote about decided the safest bet was to ad a powderd calcium mix.

 

[alfie]

With regard to the 'crap' that goes into complete dog foods, there is a VAST range in quality of completes, so it is impossible to generalise as some ARE crap and some are very good. I work for Arden Grange petfoods so better get that out of the way first! :- "

As well as complete, my dogs each get a raw chicken wing for breakfast- Whippets and IGs! (w00t) Having previously fed bones and raw food, I have found there is nothing like them for keeping teeth clean.

I always buy mine from the supermarket or butchers,i.e. for human consumption, I have found when buying them from pet food producers that the dogs ARE sick after a few hours of eating them, and bring up pieces of bone. The wings for the pet food market always seem to be from older, bigger chickens and the bones are obviously a bit thick for my dogs to digest.

They are never sick after eating the smaller bones, unless they have an upset stomach for some other reason, when the bones come up in a little bundle and are rubbery. I know, I've poked them :x

Liz and the Monellis

 

[doris]

I have to 'fess up too - I do sometimes give my whippies and iggies chicken wings it depends on whether I feel that its just natural or a risk as to whether I do it or not :unsure:

but to be honest, I give my dogs all sorts, it tends to change with how I'm feeling at the time :wacko: cos I'm a bit of a faddy eater myself

so if I'll give then good quality complete some days (Liz, guess which company makes it :- " ), I'll give them cooked minced chicken and biscuit other days

they'll have a handful of dry food for brekky or they'll have a bowl of tea and a biscuit (bonio)

some days they sit in the garden eating chicking wings or bones from the butcher, some days they lie on the sofa with a chewy

they also get bits of fruit, cooked and raw veg, gravy, passata, pasta and any fat, stock or juices from whatever meat we cook

actually, they sound bloody spoilt! no wonder the old man cooks for him and the kids now :lol:

but all 4 dogs are fit and healthy ) and they can eat anything without getting ill, even if what they do sometimes eat makes me feel sick :x

 

[doris]

I have to 'fess up too - I do sometimes give my whippies and iggies chicken wings it depends on whether I feel that its just natural or a risk as to whether I do it or not :unsure:

but to be honest, I give my dogs all sorts, it tends to change with how I'm feeling at the time :wacko: cos I'm a bit of a faddy eater myself

so if I'll give then good quality complete some days (Liz, guess which company makes it :- " ), I'll give them cooked minced chicken and biscuit other days

they'll have a handful of dry food for brekky or they'll have a bowl of tea and a biscuit (bonio)

some days they sit in the garden eating chicking wings or bones from the butcher, some days they lie on the sofa with a chewy

they also get bits of fruit, cooked and raw veg, gravy, passata, pasta and any fat, stock or juices from whatever meat we cook

actually, they sound bloody spoilt! no wonder the old man cooks for him and the kids now :lol:

but all 4 dogs are fit and healthy ) and they can eat anything without getting ill, even if what they do sometimes eat makes me feel sick :x

 

[doris]

dont know why that has turned up twice - obviously like the sound of my own voice :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[chelynnah]

>In any case chicken necks are good alternative if you worry about the bones in wings.
As a matter of interest how many people on here in the UK feed chicken necks?

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I WOULD if I could find a consistent supplier. The girls LOVE them and I prefer them to wings (though I don't have a problem with the wings, and before I ever considered feeding them raw bones I read a lot over a few years and weighed the risks).

Anyway, I had a guy at the market who was bringing me some every week, but he stopped bringing them so I stopped going. We do feed turkey necks on occasion (chopped and from AMP), but although Chelsea can digest wings and chicken necks and carcasses, she has trouble digesting the turkey necks and throws up little shards of bone if she has them 2 days in a row.

Wendy

 

[chelynnah]

That is the problem with feeding the raw minced meat.  The bones are ground up in it.  The only hardness that you can get into it is feeding it with cereals.  No different in consistency to tinned dog meat.

It's my understanding that the ground bone can still help with the teeth cleaning. There are many people on my raw feeding lists that grind their own bones/meat and don't feed marrowbones for teeth cleaning and they say they've still seen positive results.

Wendy

 

[Strike Whippets]

My lot have wings and drum sticks as they love em (well all apart from Inca who dosn't do un cooked meat (w00t) )........I have had the odd problem now and again, and nearly stopped feeding them when little Eir passed a shard of bone ........But now I give them their wings etc, ....after they've had their breakfast to buffer their stomachs :unsure: ..........Well it makes me feel better :b