No More Chicken Wings

[LasVegasNo1]

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Has there been any research done on wild dogs like foxes/wolves etc dying from eating raw bones? Of course the domesticated dog has been bred far apart from its ancestors. I doubt there's any information but it would be interesting :- "

 

[alfyn]

I would rather take a risk with natural food than all the cr*p that is put into complete feeds.

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DITTO!

I've heard of dogs choking to death from eating kibble,hyde chews & pigs ears, also eating rubber toy's & many other things.

I personally will carry on feeding my dogs on what i consider a healthy diet which they love & keeps them in prime condition!

 

[BeeJay]

Has there been any research done on wild dogs like foxes/wolves etc dying from eating raw bones? Of course the domesticated dog has been bred far apart from its ancestors. I doubt there's any information but it would be interesting :- "

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The problem is who'd care. So another feral or wild dog dies. How long do feral dogs/candids live anyway? On average it isn't a long time.

 

[Seraphina]

I would rather take a risk with natural food than all the cr*p that is put into complete feeds.

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DITTO!

I've heard of dogs choking to death from eating kibble,hyde chews & pigs ears, also eating rubber toy's & many other things.

I personally will carry on feeding my dogs on what i consider a healthy diet which they love & keeps them in prime condition!

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ABSOLUTELY. By the way dogs stomachs are made to diggest bones, feeding them mushy stuff is not good for them and it is a disaster for their teeth. Dogs also die from eating a stick which splinter,.......In any case chicken necks are good alternative if you worry about the bones in wings.

 

[BeeJay]

>In any case chicken necks are good alternative if you worry about the bones in wings.

As a matter of interest how many people on here in the UK feed chicken necks?

 

[Dennis Green]

Sorry to hear that your dogs had a problem with raw chicken wings. I'm glad that they, and you, are now recovered.

I've been feeding my two whippets and terrier raw chicken carcasses and chicken wings since they were puppies with no ill effects. Would it be possible that something else had upset your dog's stomachs before their feed and it was only when they had something to bring up that they were sick? Just a thought.

Some time ago, our butcher asked us if we would like some chicken necks as the person who ordered them had not been to collect them. We took them off his hands to see what they were like. We have never bothered to order any since. We found that they were too small and the dogs just swallowed them whole.

Just recently when we bought a rib of lamb for the dogs from a different butcher, he thought that he was being helpful by chopping the ribs into pieces about 2 inches long. They were small enough for Beauty, one of the whippets, to swallow them whole causing her to have severe discomfort. We didn't feed any more of them to the dogs.

 

[Janimal]

>In any case chicken necks are good alternative if you worry about the bones in wings.
As a matter of interest how many people on here in the UK feed chicken necks?

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Can you buy them here - out of interest - Ive never seen them :unsure:

 

[LasVegasNo1]

Can you buy them here - out of interest - Ive never seen them  :unsure:

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Funnily enough I saw a frozen bag of necks at the pet superstore the other day, so they are available here.

 

[dessie]

Yep, the ones easily available are turkey necks, AMP/Berriewood sell them. I use them as a change to chicken wings. Where I get my tripe from also does carcasses and I thought they looked a bit grim when I first had them but the dogs absolutley LOVE them!! They don't always have them though so I can't rely on getting them.

 

[~elizabeth~]

I was very nervous about feeding them (after hearing the experience of a friend lost her spaniel to a shard of bone puncturing the stomach lining, and has never feeds them now), but we tried a kilo a few weeks back. Gnawing through them removed nearly all the scale on his teeth, which our previous (not very good) vet said would have to be removed 'surgically'. Reading this thread, I don't know whether I'd risk them again though. :unsure:

 

[Millie]

Anyone worried about the bones in chicken wings, could always pulverise them with a hammer first, read that somewhere :thumbsup:

Mine love them and yes I have seen small bits of bone come out the other end but why stop something they really enjoy........... its a natual food, they would eat the bones if they caught a rabbit !

 

[BeeJay]

>I've been feeding my two whippets and terrier raw chicken carcasses and chicken wings since they were puppies with no ill effects. Would it be possible that something else had upset your dog's stomachs before their feed and it was only when they had something to bring up that they were sick? Just a thought.

Could be Dennis. What worried me was the very, sharp splinters of bone that they up chucked. They haven't had any stomach upset as such just the vomiting up of bile and some of the bones. I'm guessing that for some reason they just couldn't digest those bits. But why they didn't .....................

Millie. I was giving my dogs wings so that they had something to crunch on and clean their teeth. Pulverising them wouldn't meet the feeding criteria. Also I don't think that you can compare the bones and the way that they break from animal to animal. Traditionally chicken bones were considered too sharp to be fed safely even raw. But I thought that because the birds are now so intensively reared, their breeding and what they are fed on (growth promotors) meant that they reached slaughter weight at a much younger age so the bones aren't as brittle as they would be at an older age.

At the end of the day I as the dogs owner have to make the best decision that I can. People are saying on here that I'm choosing to feed my dogs crap.

'I would rather take a risk with natural food than all the cr*p that is put into complete feeds'

Personally as there is a whole load of crap that goes into the feeding of chickens and on non organic veggies then ..........................................

I wish that I had bookmarked the US veterinary websites where they compare the way that extruded foods are manufactured and pet mince. Where they look at quality control, monitoring of production and health and safety factors.

Unfortunately I didn't. However if I come across them again then I will put the link on here.

'By the way dogs stomachs are made to diggest bones,'

These bones didn't get digested they came back up and next morning. Little joints, very sharp splinters that I had to be careful picking up and all.

'feeding them mushy stuff is not good for them and it is a disaster for their teeth.'

That is the problem with feeding the raw minced meat. The bones are ground up in it. The only hardness that you can get into it is feeding it with cereals. No different in consistency to tinned dog meat.

One of the most interesting things about this thread is that so many people have come forward for the first time and spoken about why they have chosen not to feed chicken wings. So from that point of view then I'm glad that I did post about it.

Dunno if it's a faddy diet though Karen. The feeding of chicken wings might be new, because of the change in chicken meat production, but the feeding of bones, scraps of meat not wanted for human consumption and any other leftovers from the kitchen and meals is traditional.

 

[Mark Roberts]

One of the most interesting things about this thread is that so many people have come forward for the first time and spoken about why they have chosen not to feed chicken wings. So from that point of view then I'm glad that I did post about it.

Hi BJ

I thought it was me being over protective till I read your post.

I can see a new thread being started in a few months time ????? has had to have an operation due to their stomach being puntured by a sharp peice of chicken bone? one thing for sure it wont be me posting it.

All ours have raw beef/tripe/mixed raw veg & cooked rice (with Calcium powder & vitamins added) they love it look well on it and are running well so it'll do for me.

 

[alfyn]

Traditionally chicken bones were considered too sharp to be fed safely even raw.  But I thought that because the birds are now so intensively reared, their breeding and what they are fed on (growth promotors) meant that they reached slaughter weight at a much younger age so the bones aren't as brittle as they would be at an older age.

Good point!

I wonder if the dogs who've had problems have been fed on large wings????

I've had a few wings that have been much larger than normal & i've taken out the end bone as i've felt it too big for a whippet.

 

[dawn]

One of the most interesting things about this thread is that so many people have come forward for the first time and spoken about why they have chosen not to feed chicken wings. So from that point of view then I'm glad that I did post about it.

Hi BJ

I thought it was me being over protective till I read your post.

I can see a new thread being started in a few months time ????? has had to have an operation due to their stomach being puntured by a sharp peice of chicken bone? one thing for sure it wont be me posting it.

All ours have raw beef/tripe/mixed raw veg & cooked rice (with Calcium powder & vitamins added) they love it look well on it and are running well so it'll do for me.

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I was just thinking the same thing Mark

We have never fed bones after having a bad experience wiht a dog years ago but when we had this last litter the bitch was a real picky eater so decided to give the chicken wings a go (just for her). She did enjoy them so when the two pups we kept were old enough they had them too until one day one pinched the others and I went to retireived it and saw the sharp splinters where it had been chewed. That was it!! No more chicken wings for ours!!

We would rather be safe than sorry. I have experienced first hand the damage sharp splinters from bones can do.

Our youngster enjoy the raw green tripe and we use SA37 as a supplement.

I am afraid I have to agree with karen about the chicken wings thing being a bit of a fad diet.

 

[whippetmad]

i don.t feed them them chicken wings anymore either.i would never forgive myself if anything happens,there is plenty other thing they can have that they can enjoy and not put themselves at risk.

 

[dawn]

Traditionally chicken bones were considered too sharp to be fed safely even raw.  But I thought that because the birds are now so intensively reared, their breeding and what they are fed on (growth promotors) meant that they reached slaughter weight at a much younger age so the bones aren't as brittle as they would be at an older age.

Good point!

I wonder if the dogs who've had problems have been fed on large wings????

I've had a few wings that have been much larger than normal & i've taken out the end bone as i've felt it too big for a whippet.

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Why should large wings make a difference if they dont splinter?

Whats the difference between them and a large raw marrow bone (which we dont feed either for the same reason) incidently the dog I had which had problems aquired them from a raw marrow bone.

 

[dessie]

I am afraid I have to agree with karen about the chicken wings thing being a bit of a fad diet.

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Over 40 years is quite a long time for a fad IMO!!! I can remember at home as a child our old dog had raw marrow bones and any other things that the butcher couldn't sell, plus all our leftovers and a small tin of Chappie every day. He lived until he was 17 years old!!!

I didn't feed the gundogs chicken wings, mainly because I couldn't find a source, but they all had raw tripe and marrow bones. Once I had the Whippets and they were fed in a different regime from the gundogs (i.e. little and often) I found a local chicken farm and used to procure wings from there but now find them much easier to get hold of from dog food companies so they just come in with the tripe & whatever other raw frozen meat I buy.

As far as I can see, Beejay, no-one has said you are choosing to feed your dogs cr*p, you can feed your dogs on whatever you want to feed them on, and I don't dispute that chickens etc are probably fed cr*p but there's not a lot I can do about that unless I rear my own!! What I said was that I, me personally, would prefer to feed MEAT than all this synthetic (IMO) cr*p because no-one is going to convince me that you can turn meat into little crunchy balls and that it is not full of additives that I don't want my dogs to have in large quantities!!!!

OH's ESS were always fed solely on complete feed. As they got older we have had great problems with them remaining healthy, mainly digestive problems. I have since changed them over to meat/biscuit and equilibrium has been restored, so all I can conclude is that since giving up conventional vaccinations and feeding my dogs on a BARF diet they are much healthier. Other than that, each to their own!!

 

[Seraphina]

Some time ago, our butcher asked us if we would like some chicken necks as the person who ordered them had not been to collect them. We took them off his hands to see what they were like. We have never bothered to order any since. We found that they were too small and the dogs just swallowed them whole.

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There are ways to teach dogs not to swallow the necks whole. One is to hold the neck and let the dog chew on it. Another is to feed them separetely, so they do not gulp it down worrying the other dog will take it away from them. Some necks are also bigger than others, but in any case they are nice and flexible without sharp edges, so if a dog swallows it it seem to slip down relatively easily.

Another way to clean dogs teeth is to give large chunks of ox heart. That does not have any bones and is very tough and rubbery, it takes lot of effort to chew.

 

[Hilary & Hounds]

I can see why some people have given up feeding chicken wings and personally I don't blame them. If I'd had the similar experiences I would probably do the same. However, I haven't had a problem with my dogs and bones and I feed them not just chicken wings, but quarter chickens, legs, thighs, anything I can get hold of really. I would love to feed them lamb and beef bones but I just can't afford it. Occasionally Dad gets hold of some marrow bones from the butcher and they enjoy those as well - so long as he gets the right number of bones for the right number of dogs! (w00t)

I switched over to raw feeding because it made sense to me healthwise. There are as many different ways of feeding raw as there are people using it, just as with commercial brands. Everybody has their favourite, and everybody is doing the best they can for their animals based on the information they have at the time. A lot of it is based on gut instinct (no pun intended! :- " ) and nobody can be blamed for that!

As an interesting aside, my greyhound Freddie has problems digesting heart and is only ever given a little chopped up. The springer, Cassie, has problem with liver and only gets a little of that. All the others are fine with all types of offal. Every diet has to be adapted to the individual animal at the end of the day.