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[masta]

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and just in case you were wondering.......Locking Jaw Myth

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wondering what?? did you not watch the programme and see the devastation this breed (yes breed!! as they are bred specifiaclly for fighting) can inflict the poor little girl that was decapitated the numerous children scarred for life the documentry was ment to highlight the illegal trade in fighting dogs brought into the uk it was about APBT,s nobody mentioned staffs

 

[masta]

The labrador is responsible for more attacks than the Pit Bull, and in the USA the most dangerous dogs are the Rottweiler. However these dogs make great family dogs in the right hands. It is unfair that one breed gets all the name calling when every dog is capable of hurting or even killing people if they aren't  brought up the right way.
I didnt know about the collie i knew they can be snappy thanks for imforming Charlie just helps even more to prove my point.

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It's unfair?? tell that to the parents of children attacked by this breed Labs are a gun dog apbt's are what?? your right any dog can attack very few can kill apbt can do both with ease

 

[Evie]

They have gained a bad rep because they are victims at the hands of the people that take part in dog fighting. They have been chosen and bred for this "sport" because of their hard mouths, power, drive and ability to inflict alot of damage. Compared with a soft mouthed lab or a small breed, a pit bulls victim usually comes off alot worse.

Current laws don't work when it's aimed at the dogs, which are also victims at the hands of dog fighters. The laws need to be aimed at the irresposible people, AND enforced.

 

[hely]

and just in case you were wondering.......Locking Jaw Myth

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thanks for that..........very interesting :thumbsup:

 

[rach125]

Border Collie...........................REALLY, i didnt know that
ya learn something new everyday :thumbsup:

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Yup, my friend Gromit's mum was a vet nurse - and said Border Collies have this reputation in veterinary circles

- there's also a toy breed right up there on the list (can't remember which but it's something like a yorkshire terrier) - but they can't do the kind of damage that a large breed can, so I think are less worrying

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the very 2 breeds of dogs iv bin bit by!

 

[hely]

 

[Sunrise08]

The labrador is responsible for more attacks than the Pit Bull, and in the USA the most dangerous dogs are the Rottweiler. However these dogs make great family dogs in the right hands. It is unfair that one breed gets all the name calling when every dog is capable of hurting or even killing people if they aren't  brought up the right way.
I didnt know about the collie i knew they can be snappy thanks for imforming Charlie just helps even more to prove my point.

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It's unfair?? tell that to the parents of children attacked by this breed Labs are a gun dog apbt's are what?? your right any dog can attack very few can kill apbt can do both with ease

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A rottweiler could kill with ease,as could a staffie, mastiff, doberman, german shepard, EBT, Akita, Presa Canario and many more, these could be just as dangerous as fighting trained APBT in the wrongs hands, what about the rotties that killed the baby doesnt that make them dangerous too?

As i already said it is the morans that breed them for fighting and use them for fighting that make them like they are. In the right hands they could be the same as the above breeds.

I'm not having a go about the poor parents and their children that have suffered because of badly brought up APBT i feel very sad that this does happen.

BUT it is not the dogs fault they dont know any better because of the way they have been raised.

 

[wild whippies]

I'm a firm believer in instinct, whippets that fail to chase quarry are a minority.

Some of the dogs mentioned have been bred for the purpose of dog fighting and it is instinctual to do this. This combined with a dog owner who see's a dog as a status symbol rather than a companion means it's only a matter of time.

I accept that golden retriever have been responsible for a number of attacks however my own personal belief is that the people who choose these dogs think they're an 'easy' type of dog to keep. It's the same for the likes of yorkshire terriers, people forget the relevance of 'terrier' in some of these breeds and my own personal opinion is that terriers require a strong person in their upbringing.

At the end of the day they're a dog and hierachy and discipline needs to be established with the keeping of any dog, if you choose to purchase something with a greater inclination towards challenging behaviour then your taking on an even greater challenge. Unfortunately for some breeds, the owners they attract can barely look after themselves let alone an animal.

 

[Lal]

I watched this programme too. Just to shift the emphasis on this discussion I found it frightening how easily the reporters were able to import the APBT from Finland via Ireland and then calmly walk the streets of Liverpool with him. However I wonder how many of us would actually be able to identify an APBT as opposed to say a Staffie Cross? Perhaps thats why all Bull type terriers are 'tarred with the same brush' by some people.

I agree that it's not the fault of these dogs, they didn't ask to be bred and trained to fight but there has to be an element of instinct involved, just as there is the prey drive in whippets etc., and these animals are powerful physically.

I wonder if this programme will do anything to deter the people involved in this despicable activity, I somehow doubt it. And none of it any consolation to a family whose child is attacked, little Ellie should never have been put in such danger but her uncle knew just what type of dog he had and I hope his conscience haunts him.

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[FeeFee]

One thing that struck me several times watching the programme, though, was how non-aggressive these dogs were to humans. Even in very stressful situations and sometimes when they were in pain they were wagging their tails and seemed desperate for any affection/attention they were shown.

I know of someone in Ireland who runs a small rescue and who has a Pit Bull. I've never met him, but I've seen numerous photographs over the years of him romping with the other dogs and playing with human visitors. Hearing about him has really changed my perception because he just isn't a 'devil dog', he has a fantastic temperament.

I know I've posted this before, but this video is amazing:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...deoid=959630992

 

[Lal]

a lot of people in america seem to keep pit bulls and pitbull mixes as pets without problems, maybe it's a case of nurture as opposed to nature?

What I meant, in the case of the child killed in Liverpool, was that the child's uncle did not have that dog as a pet. The press reported him as being involved in various dubious activities.

 

[kris]

I watched this programme too.  Just to shift the emphasis on this discussion I found it frightening how easily the reporters were able to import the APBT from Finland via Ireland and then calmly walk the streets of Liverpool with him.  However I wonder how many of us would actually be able to identify an APBT as opposed to say a Staffie Cross?  Perhaps thats why all Bull type terriers are 'tarred with the same brush' by some people.
I agree that it's not the fault of these dogs, they didn't ask to be bred and trained to fight but there has to be an element of instinct involved, just as there is the prey drive in whippets etc., and these animals are powerful physically.

I wonder if this programme will do anything to deter the people involved in this despicable activity, I somehow doubt it.  And none of it any consolation to a family whose child is attacked, little Ellie should never have been put in such danger but her uncle knew just what type of dog he had and I hope his conscience haunts him.

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youre right about ordinary members of the public associating all pit bull/staffy crosses etc as being killer dogs.i cant tell the difference,personally i dont want to.if i see one coming i either cross the road or i keep my dogs well out of their way.yes its unfair,yes its discrimination,yes im scared of them and yes id do anything to keep my dogs safe from them and from being ripped apart by them.no i cant tell the difference, all i know is that they tend to attract moronic idiots who shouldnt own a dog or even a rat as they dont have the responsibility or the knowlege to own a dog of this type.they are regarded as a macho breed and the type of young men who own them would regard a dog of this type as a waste of space if it backed down in a fight.ive seen one recently that went for an old mans little cairn terrier and the lad laughed and said rip its throat out.the poor old man was terrified that it would and he wouldnt have been able to save his pet.

i do feel sorry for the dogs that are used as fighting dogs as they dont have any choice in the matter but as has been said before instinct plays a big part in the character and make up of these breeds and you have to look at the qualities that were bred for and admired in these dogs like strength,fearlessness,immunity to pain,relentlessness,killing instinct etc etc.knowing all this i ask myself why on earth would anyone want one of them as a family pet?especially if you have children :blink: if its a fact that these dogs only turn savage after being treated cruelly then why not use any dog to fight?any dog can be treated cruelly and made to fight cant they?but the fact is that these dogs love to fight.they enjoy it,its in their breeding and its their instinct.and they dont do submission.its fight to the death with them.like its the instinct of a retriever to retrieve, a whippet to chase,a bloodhound to follow a scent.theyre bred to do it cos theyve been selectively bred to do the thing they are best at.killing.

i do acknowlege that staffies/crosses arent the same as pit bulls and i understand that folk here who own one think theyre great and are fab with other dogs and people.but you have to understand that thats YOUR experience,not everyone elses :thumbsup: .i know a number of people on this site who own whippets and lurchers who have all been attacked by staffy or staffy crosses.tell them what a great loving sweet little dog they are,and ask can you see the pics of the horrific injuries inflicted on a poor defenceless breed like a whippet by a dog of the power and strength of a staffy or a pit bull.i remember johns little bitch chloe and her terrible injuries which were so bad it made me cry when i saw them posted on this site.he was kicking the dog with his steel toe cap boots and the dog didnt even respond,it just kept on attacking chloe.

yes there are responsible staffy owners and i suppose out there somewhere there might even be some reponsible pit bull owners,but at the end of the day its the irresponsible owners were all scared of and they are the ones who cause all the damage

 

[kris]

ooooooooops sorry posted twice :b

 

[Angela#]

ooooooooops sorry posted twice :b

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I agree with you Kris. I have some friends who love Staffies and have had them for years. They are responisble and knowledgeable dog owners but despite these dogs being brought up in a loving household they were aggressive towards other dogs, (one even broke their son's boxer dog's jaw). It's true they are normally lovely with people and kids but I certainly wouldn't trust any of them with another dog. :- "

 

[anniewhippet]

I watched this programme too.  Just to shift the emphasis on this discussion I found it frightening how easily the reporters were able to import the APBT from Finland via Ireland and then calmly walk the streets of Liverpool with him.  However I wonder how many of us would actually be able to identify an APBT as opposed to say a Staffie Cross?  Perhaps thats why all Bull type terriers are 'tarred with the same brush' by some people.
I agree that it's not the fault of these dogs, they didn't ask to be bred and trained to fight but there has to be an element of instinct involved, just as there is the prey drive in whippets etc., and these animals are powerful physically.

I wonder if this programme will do anything to deter the people involved in this despicable activity, I somehow doubt it.  And none of it any consolation to a family whose child is attacked, little Ellie should never have been put in such danger but her uncle knew just what type of dog he had and I hope his conscience haunts him.

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[SIZE=8pt]I, Like you, I watched this terrible programme and agree with your comments, its so scarey how easily that dog was brought into the country. It is difficult to be sure exactly what is an APBT as opposed to a Staffie Cross but these 'people' (not able to actually put down the exact word) are getting quite open in their 'displaying' of these dogs, as seen at the 'shows' they attended.[/SIZE]

Well they were.....they will just go underground for awhile but carry on regardless.

They need to be exposed more and more not expand, that is too scarey.