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just wondering whats folks ideas on % protein.

i use 22% greyhound maintainance,mixed with veg and raw mince/pilchards.mixed 50% each.

i think race 27% with meat etc is to high and could give the dog problems??????????????????

at the moment for the last 3 month been on meal only.
 
we use gain its either 27 or 28% on the pups and they have meat every day as well and we have no problems @ all with either of them. nikki is now on the same and is a bit hyper but nowt new there lol :wacko:
 
27% in my opinion is far too high and if meat is added it's going to make the protein level higher, the only dogs( again my opinon ) that should be on that high a protien are working dogs i.e. farm dogs that are working every day etc.

i feed vitalin royal have done for 30 + years 18% never had a problem with it,i add meat or sardines and veg .
 
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wouldnt use anything less than 27 when racing but no meat too high when fed together 22 for resting dogs
 
we feed 27% but no red meat,never been a big believer in it jmo.chicken,fish veg and pasta are fed also.my oldies are only fed on 18%cos they not racing.our oldest one is nearly 15 so we must be doing something right. 8)
 
mutley said:
wouldnt use anything less than 27 when racing but no meat too high when fed together 22 for resting dogs
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spot on garys that's what I do I fine it works well lots of water on hand if your working your dogs hard
 
Hi David

Ive feed my Puppys on eukanuba till 6 mths old then on to Australian which is 28% they also get fresh Mince ? fresh chicken/ Tuna,Fresh Turkey Thigh and tinned tomatoes. Ive never had a problem with proten i just reduce the meal when giving them fresh meat. I also feed them Pasta.

Regards

Joyce
 
we also reduce the meal when giving meat same as woody. ours also get fish, pasta and tinned tomatoes as well as their 28% :thumbsup:
 
sherry said:
we also reduce the meal when giving meat same as woody. ours also get fish, pasta and tinned tomatoes as well as their 28% :thumbsup:
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i might be wrong but you will still have 28% no matter how much meal you give them ;)
 
I think it's quality rather than quantity. Hoofs, nails, hair and feathers all contain protein.
 
devo12 said:
what does feeding too high protein cause??
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Weight gain. Usable protein that isn't utilised by the body is stored as fat. A small amount is excreted by the kidneys.

Others will say different.
 
we never feed red meat with high protein feed, fed redmills for about 18 year now never had a problem apart from when we first used it and fed meat with it, as john said it caused fur loss but can also damage organs and can be fatel, putting meat with say redmills would more than double protein thats when it can be bad ,we feed pasta and pilchards tomatoes etc with meal and its fine they do get meat but never with protein meal highprotein meal is better for kenneled dogs as the body uses more of the protein than a house dog also hard worked dogs need more protein too full stop is now 15 blue goblin 13 still on 20 protein and going strong :) think its each to there own but there are dangers with protein if not carefull , james welbeloved for rearing puppies quite high protein expensive too. but worth it we even mixed wellbeloved with redmills over last few years with racers .
 
mutley said:
we never feed red meat with high protein feed, fed redmills for about 18 year now never had a problem apart from when we first used it and fed meat with it, as john said it caused fur loss but can also damage organs and can be fatel, putting meat with say redmills would more than double protein thats when it can be bad ,we feed pasta and pilchards tomatoes etc with meal and its fine they do get meat but never with protein meal highprotein meal is better for kenneled dogs as the body uses more of the protein than a house dog also hard worked dogs need more protein too full stop is now 15 blue goblin 13 still on 20 protein and going strong :) think its each to there own but there are dangers with protein if not carefull , james welbeloved for rearing puppies quite high protein expensive too. but worth it we even mixed wellbeloved with redmills over last few years with racers .
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you only know cos dee told ya ramsey.
 
Yes Graham and Gaz for got to say all our dogs get a sunday day nearly every week ... usually my mam makes it lol
 
Ok i found this its quite good reading

There are some old wives tales around about dry dog foods being high in protein and causing kidney disease, and many people will inadvertently deprive their dogs of what they crave for in fear of damaging their health.

To understand protein you could think of it as building blocks for body tissue, organs, enzymes, hormones and antibiodies, and roughly half of the dry body mass of a dog consists of protein. With this in mind, it is easy to understand that growing puppies need protein to grow and both adults and growing puppies constantly need to replace and rebuild protein.

The body will recycle amino acids to some extent, but some of them need to be replaced. Protein is processed in the liver and any waste materials are filtered and excreted by the kidneys. High quality protein does not generate large amounts of waste that need to be removed from the body, but poor quality protein, which is difficult to digest, does, and thus puts stress on the kidneys.

The liver needs water to process protein and as a medium to carry waste products to the kidneys, where they are filtered out and most of the water is reabsorbed. The less concentrated the waste products in this primary filtrate are, the easier it is for the kidneys to filter, and that is why is believed to be unhealthy to feed solely dry dog food but it is critical that dogs fed on a diet of dry food alone, drink extra water.

Dogs who eat mostly canned food, or a home prepared diet, will automatically take in more moisture and do not need to compensate as much by drinking. Contrary to what is thought, and what pet food companies claim, dogs do not know how much additional water they need to drink to make up for what is lacking in dry food. This is why it is recommended that water is added to the kibble at feeding time.

Commercial dog food has only been widely available in the past 60 years or so, and we are still learning how much damage certain aspects of it can do. Things have improved but the majority of pet food manufacturers still produce bad foods from poor quality ingredients. Protein in dog food comes from either plant or meat. Plant sources are the cheapest, especially corn gluen meal, which is the most popular cheap protein booster and is a by product of the human food processing industry, left over from the making of corn starch and corn syrup. It has a crude protein content of 60%, and theoretically, even if your food recipe contains no other protein sources at all, you could make a food with a 20% crude protein content by mixing 1:2 with some cheap carbohydrates. The term 'crude protein' is used in the guaranteed analysis, which means there is no statement as to its digestibility.

Protein comes in many forms, even leather, chicken feathers or cow hooves have a fairly high crude protein content, but the body is only able to extract and process very little of it. Due to the labelling issue, the percentage of protein in a food by itself doesn't say anything about the quality. Ingredient lists are not straight forward, nor are they truthful, but you can guage the quality of protein.

As an example, take two foods, which have the same percentage of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fibre and moisture. Food A contains 25% protein that is 60% digestible and food B contains 25% protein that is 85% digestible. That means that of food A, the body will be able to utilize 15% of the protein content, but with food B, 21.25%. Logically, to meet the body's requirement of protein, you woul dhave to feed more of food A, than of food B, and the body of the dog eating food B will have to work less to utilize it.

In simple terms, you could compare to the car engine, and the type of fuel you use. Because you use a high performance fuel/oil, it doesnt mean that it needs it, and its not going to do any damage, but if you use a poor quality fuel/oil, there will be a buildup in the engine that will hamper performance and will eventually lead to damage.

Read the rest of it @ HERE

Meat Protein (100grams) Protein Fat Calories

Venison 34g 6.5g 200

Veal fillet (roast) 30g 12g 240

Goose (roast) 30g 25g 350

Pheasant (roast) 30g 9g 250

Partridge (roast) 29g 8g 250

Pork Chops (grilled) 28g 24g 340

Turkey (roast) 28g 6g 165

Corned beef canned 27g 12g 220

Rabbit 27g 8g 187

Pork Leg (roast) 27g 20g 290

Chicken Calories (average)

26g 12g 140

Lamb Leg (roast) 25g 17g 270

Bacon Calories (average rashers)

23g 45g 500

Beef Calories (average lean)

25g 20g 275

Hare 25g 6g 155

Offal (average stewed) 24g 8g 185

Lamb Cutlets (grilled) 23g 31g 375

Lamb breast (roast) 22g 30g 398

Lamb Chops (grilled) 21g 28g 368

Pork Belly rashers (grilled) 21g 35g 400

Lamb Shoulder (roast) 20g 24g 320

Pork Trotters (boiled) 20g 23g 290

Duck (roast) 20g 30g 330

Beefburgers (average)

18g 20g 260

Meat Paste (average) 15g 11g 170

Ham & Pork canned 14g 24g 270

Sausage (average) 13g 21g 280

Pigeon (roast) 13g 13.5g 242

Luncheon Meat canned 13g 27g 305

Faggots 11g 18g 270

Steak & Kidney Pie 10g 22g 315
 
DENISE BAILEY said:
Ok i found this its quite good reading
There are some old wives tales around about dry dog foods being high in protein and causing kidney disease, and many people will inadvertently deprive their dogs of what they crave for in fear of damaging their health.

To understand protein you could think of it as building blocks for body tissue, organs, enzymes, hormones and antibiodies, and roughly half of the dry body mass of a dog consists of protein. With this in mind, it is easy to understand that growing puppies need protein to grow and both adults and growing puppies constantly need to replace and rebuild protein.

The body will recycle amino acids to some extent, but some of them need to be replaced. Protein is processed in the liver and any waste materials are filtered and excreted by the kidneys. High quality protein does not generate large amounts of waste that need to be removed from the body, but poor quality protein, which is difficult to digest, does, and thus puts stress on the kidneys.

The liver needs water to process protein and as a medium to carry waste products to the kidneys, where they are filtered out and most of the water is reabsorbed. The less concentrated the waste products in this primary filtrate are, the easier it is for the kidneys to filter, and that is why is believed to be unhealthy to feed solely dry dog food but it is critical that dogs fed on a diet of dry food alone, drink extra water.

Dogs who eat mostly canned food, or a home prepared diet, will automatically take in more moisture and do not need to compensate as much by drinking. Contrary to what is thought, and what pet food companies claim, dogs do not know how much additional water they need to drink to make up for what is lacking in dry food. This is why it is recommended that water is added to the kibble at feeding time.

Commercial dog food has only been widely available in the past 60 years or so, and we are still learning how much damage certain aspects of it can do. Things have improved but the majority of pet food manufacturers still produce bad foods from poor quality ingredients. Protein in dog food comes from either plant or meat. Plant sources are the cheapest, especially corn gluen meal, which is the most popular cheap protein booster and is a by product of the human food processing industry, left over from the making of corn starch and corn syrup. It has a crude protein content of 60%, and theoretically, even if your food recipe contains no other protein sources at all, you could make a food with a 20% crude protein content by mixing 1:2 with some cheap carbohydrates. The term 'crude protein' is used in the guaranteed analysis, which means there is no statement as to its digestibility.

Protein comes in many forms, even leather, chicken feathers or cow hooves have a fairly high crude protein content, but the body is only able to extract and process very little of it. Due to the labelling issue, the percentage of protein in a food by itself doesn't say anything about the quality. Ingredient lists are not straight forward, nor are they truthful, but you can guage the quality of protein.

As an example, take two foods, which have the same percentage of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fibre and moisture. Food A contains 25% protein that is 60% digestible and food B contains 25% protein that is 85% digestible. That means that of food A, the body will be able to utilize 15% of the protein content, but with food B, 21.25%. Logically, to meet the body's requirement of protein, you woul dhave to feed more of food A, than of food B, and the body of the dog eating food B will have to work less to utilize it.

In simple terms, you could compare to the car engine, and the type of fuel you use. Because you use a high performance fuel/oil, it doesnt mean that it needs it, and its not going to do any damage, but if you use a poor quality fuel/oil, there will be a buildup in the engine that will hamper performance and will eventually lead to damage.

Read the rest of it @ HERE

Meat Protein (100grams) Protein Fat Calories

Venison 34g 6.5g 200

Veal fillet (roast) 30g 12g 240

Goose (roast) 30g 25g 350

Pheasant (roast) 30g 9g 250

Partridge (roast) 29g 8g 250

Pork Chops (grilled) 28g 24g 340

Turkey (roast) 28g 6g 165

Corned beef canned 27g 12g 220

Rabbit 27g 8g 187

Pork Leg (roast) 27g 20g 290

Chicken Calories (average)

26g 12g 140

Lamb Leg (roast) 25g 17g 270

Bacon Calories (average rashers)

23g 45g 500

Beef Calories (average lean)

25g 20g 275

Hare 25g 6g 155

Offal (average stewed) 24g 8g 185

Lamb Cutlets (grilled) 23g 31g 375

Lamb breast (roast) 22g 30g 398

Lamb Chops (grilled) 21g 28g 368

Pork Belly rashers (grilled) 21g 35g 400

Lamb Shoulder (roast) 20g 24g 320

Pork Trotters (boiled) 20g 23g 290

Duck (roast) 20g 30g 330

Beefburgers (average)

18g 20g 260

Meat Paste (average) 15g 11g 170

Ham & Pork canned 14g 24g 270

Sausage (average) 13g 21g 280

Pigeon (roast) 13g 13.5g 242

Luncheon Meat canned 13g 27g 305

Faggots 11g 18g 270

Steak & Kidney Pie 10g 22g 315
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some interesting comments,i always feed tomatoes helps with cramping, pasta, good info on the above.

not to sure on feeding hair and feathers (w00t) :lol:

you here about protein poisoning,that is my concern and the damage to kidneys.i think 27% +meat ect could cause problems i go for 22% +meat etc??? when working.
 
DENISE BAILEY said:
Ok i found this its quite good reading
There are some old wives tales around about dry dog foods being high in protein and causing kidney disease, and many people will inadvertently deprive their dogs of what they crave for in fear of damaging their health.

To understand protein you could think of it as building blocks for body tissue, organs, enzymes, hormones and antibiodies, and roughly half of the dry body mass of a dog consists of protein. With this in mind, it is easy to understand that growing puppies need protein to grow and both adults and growing puppies constantly need to replace and rebuild protein.

The body will recycle amino acids to some extent, but some of them need to be replaced. Protein is processed in the liver and any waste materials are filtered and excreted by the kidneys. High quality protein does not generate large amounts of waste that need to be removed from the body, but poor quality protein, which is difficult to digest, does, and thus puts stress on the kidneys.

The liver needs water to process protein and as a medium to carry waste products to the kidneys, where they are filtered out and most of the water is reabsorbed. The less concentrated the waste products in this primary filtrate are, the easier it is for the kidneys to filter, and that is why is believed to be unhealthy to feed solely dry dog food but it is critical that dogs fed on a diet of dry food alone, drink extra water.

Dogs who eat mostly canned food, or a home prepared diet, will automatically take in more moisture and do not need to compensate as much by drinking. Contrary to what is thought, and what pet food companies claim, dogs do not know how much additional water they need to drink to make up for what is lacking in dry food. This is why it is recommended that water is added to the kibble at feeding time.

Commercial dog food has only been widely available in the past 60 years or so, and we are still learning how much damage certain aspects of it can do. Things have improved but the majority of pet food manufacturers still produce bad foods from poor quality ingredients. Protein in dog food comes from either plant or meat. Plant sources are the cheapest, especially corn gluen meal, which is the most popular cheap protein booster and is a by product of the human food processing industry, left over from the making of corn starch and corn syrup. It has a crude protein content of 60%, and theoretically, even if your food recipe contains no other protein sources at all, you could make a food with a 20% crude protein content by mixing 1:2 with some cheap carbohydrates. The term 'crude protein' is used in the guaranteed analysis, which means there is no statement as to its digestibility.

Protein comes in many forms, even leather, chicken feathers or cow hooves have a fairly high crude protein content, but the body is only able to extract and process very little of it. Due to the labelling issue, the percentage of protein in a food by itself doesn't say anything about the quality. Ingredient lists are not straight forward, nor are they truthful, but you can guage the quality of protein.

As an example, take two foods, which have the same percentage of protein, fat, carbohydrate, fibre and moisture. Food A contains 25% protein that is 60% digestible and food B contains 25% protein that is 85% digestible. That means that of food A, the body will be able to utilize 15% of the protein content, but with food B, 21.25%. Logically, to meet the body's requirement of protein, you woul dhave to feed more of food A, than of food B, and the body of the dog eating food B will have to work less to utilize it.

In simple terms, you could compare to the car engine, and the type of fuel you use. Because you use a high performance fuel/oil, it doesnt mean that it needs it, and its not going to do any damage, but if you use a poor quality fuel/oil, there will be a buildup in the engine that will hamper performance and will eventually lead to damage.

Read the rest of it @ HERE

Meat Protein (100grams) Protein Fat Calories

Venison 34g 6.5g 200

Veal fillet (roast) 30g 12g 240

Goose (roast) 30g 25g 350

Pheasant (roast) 30g 9g 250

Partridge (roast) 29g 8g 250

Pork Chops (grilled) 28g 24g 340

Turkey (roast) 28g 6g 165

Corned beef canned 27g 12g 220

Rabbit 27g 8g 187

Pork Leg (roast) 27g 20g 290

Chicken Calories (average)

26g 12g 140

Lamb Leg (roast) 25g 17g 270

Bacon Calories (average rashers)

23g 45g 500

Beef Calories (average lean)

25g 20g 275

Hare 25g 6g 155

Offal (average stewed) 24g 8g 185

Lamb Cutlets (grilled) 23g 31g 375

Lamb breast (roast) 22g 30g 398

Lamb Chops (grilled) 21g 28g 368

Pork Belly rashers (grilled) 21g 35g 400

Lamb Shoulder (roast) 20g 24g 320

Pork Trotters (boiled) 20g 23g 290

Duck (roast) 20g 30g 330

Beefburgers (average)

18g 20g 260

Meat Paste (average) 15g 11g 170

Ham & Pork canned 14g 24g 270

Sausage (average) 13g 21g 280

Pigeon (roast) 13g 13.5g 242

Luncheon Meat canned 13g 27g 305

Faggots 11g 18g 270

Steak & Kidney Pie 10g 22g 315
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some interesting comments,i always feed tomatoes helps with cramping, pasta, good info on the above.

not to sure on feeding hair and feathers (w00t) :lol:

you here about protein poisoning,that is my concern and the damage to kidneys.i think 27% +meat ect could cause problems i go for 22% +meat etc??? when working.
 
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