Puppy is toileting everywhere other that puppy pad! HELP

[Ruella]

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can anyone give any advice .. I have a beautiful bouncy 9week old pug boy ... I know he’s young and accidents are going to happen but he will literally pee and poo anywhere other than on he’s puppy pads .. he sleeps in a pop up dog tent which had bed and puppy pads in.. but when he’s out for play time I put several puppy pads down but he just runs around then stops and pees / poos anywhere .. we have a 4 year old pug fully housetrained but we rescued him at the age of 2 so he was already trained so this is all new to me .. any advice welcome xx

 

[JoanneF]

I really don't like puppy pads - they give mixed messages about whether it's ok to toilet indoors and confuse the puppy, make toilet training a lot slower, and are far more fun to the puppy for shredding than toileting. They don't have a magic 'pee on me' charm so they are frankly a waste of money.

Toilet training happens when two things come together - the ABILITY to hold the toilet, along with the DESIRE to hold it in order to earn the reward for doing so.

Ideally you want him to not be in a position where he needs to toilet before you have him outdoors, so that every toilet is outside - as far as possible, there will be accidents! So set him up to succeed by taking him out even more than he needs; for example every 45 minutes to an hour and always after sleeping, eating, playing. The time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to hold that toilet, is zero. So your aim is to have him outside before he can't help himself. When he toilets outdoors make a huge fuss (never mind the neighbours, act like outdoor toileting is the best thing you have ever seen) and reward him with a high value treat. Do that immediately, don't make him come to you for the treat so he is clear that it's for toileting and not for coming to you. The idea is that he eventually wants to earn the treat enough to hold the toilet until he is outside - once he is physically able to control his toileting obviously. If he has an accident inside don't react at all. If you get annoyed he may learn to fear your reaction and avoid you if he needs to toilet - the opposite of what you want. Dogs cant make the distinction between you being annoyed at them toileting, as opposed to toileting indoors. Take a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head for not having taken him outside in time. Not when he is there though in case you scare him. Then clean the area with an enzymatic cleaner to remove any trace of smell that might attract him back to the spot. As he is actually performing the toilet you can introduce words he can associate with it (like 'do weewee' and 'busy busy') that later when he is reliably trained you can use these to tell him when you want him to toilet.

Indoors if you see him circling or scratching the floor, that can sometimes precede toileting so get him out fast.

Overnight he is unlikely to be able to control his toilet as his little bladder and bowel are underdeveloped and not strong enough to hold all night so set your alarm to take him out at least once if not twice during the night.

 

[Jack-Russell-Lover]

I agree, I don't like them either. I never used puppy pads with my Jack Russell and she was an absolute breeze to toilet train. Just with regular trips to the garden with lots of praise when she went and being in her crate at night and as @JoanneF mentioned, I got up with her once or twice a night for the first few weeks

 

[Mad Murphy]

Murphy was trained when he arrived but we followed the advice above. Loads of trips to the garden... after each meal, each drink, each nap, each playtime, at 4am (he asked) for the first week and we have never had an accident in the house.

 

[Ruella]

Thank you all ..

 

[Ruella]

The puppy pads can just go with he’s toys then as shredding paper haha! X

 

[JoanneF]

The puppy pads can just go with he’s toys then as shredding paper haha! X

They are quite good for mopping up accidents!

 

[One dog training]

So firstly if you can begin crate training, this teaches them to be able to hold in their toileting as they won't toilet in their den, I'd also feed in the crate as they don't toilet where they eat.

To get him to stop in house scatter some treats where he toilets as dogs won't toilet where they eat, Take away the pads and start the crate training. So their are 6 times a dog needs to toilet;

1. First thing in morning
2. Last thing before bed
3. After food
4.After water
5. After a nap
6. After play

So if you keep these in mind, take your puppy out after each of these and when your puppy toilets out side use a word "wee wee" or "toilet" and keep repeating this while he's toileting, once he's stopped give him a big praise.

I'd also scatter bait of food outside near the back door to make it exciting to begin with.

Hope this helps - let me know how it goes

 

[JoanneF]

Sorry to keep disagreeing with you but -

this teaches them to be able to hold in their toileting as they won't toilet in their den

A crate can HELP with toilet training but isn't a solution in itself because if a puppy is in the crate and needs to toilet, it won't be able to help itself. Puppies have no sphincter control at first and the time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to stop themselves from toileting, is zero. So a crate wont stop the accident and then the puppy has to lie in his mess . You are not wrong when you say to take puppy out regularly but as well as the occasions you suggest I would recommend a schedule of hourly visits (or even every 45 minutes if an hour between causes an accident).

 

[One dog training]

Sorry to keep disagreeing with you but -


A crate can HELP with toilet training but isn't a solution in itself because if a puppy is in the crate and needs to toilet, it won't be able to help itself. Puppies have no sphincter control at first and the time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to stop themselves from toileting, is zero. So a crate wont stop the accident and then the puppy has to lie in his mess . You are not wrong when you say to take puppy out regularly but as well as the occasions you suggest I would recommend a schedule of hourly visits (or even every 45 minutes if an hour between causes an accident).

Hi yes well put...I didn't explain myself correctly but you are spot on, i meant as in to start crate training, didn't need to put info as there are plenty of resources and people that know a lot more regarding crate training than i do. Well usually within those time frames it works out to be an hour or so as with eating, napping and playing it's a full time job ha! When training my dog when she was a puppy think we had a week straight where we followed what i said above and by the end of the week she was house trained.