can i just say he mated it for a second time today and they tied for 19 mins and he never turned his head once :thumbsup: :thumbsup:devildog said:when i put ragcrazy up for stud i didnt mean to upset anybody or step on anyones toes i just wanted a pup out of him myself and i was saying he was there if anyone wanted to use him not that they had to. and with ragcrazy turning his head he might of done i wasnt about then.but does this mean the pups are going to do the same. all i know he has beat some top class dogs, even when he was injured so people tellme. and he very well bread. anyway thanks to the people who have put good comments and wished him luck. thankskipper fluke said:Rag Crazy was a little dog who had plenty of speed and guts-- and will probably produce his fair share of good offsprings if given the right bitches to line---but Andrew was correct in what he said you can not dispute that --many times it ran with Coral and if it got in front ---- as he was passing it it would have a go --but all to often these kind of dogs have speed to burn --- its because they are very highly strung that gives them this ability -- had it been true to its name who knows what it would have achieved ---so best of luck hope you get lots to line--and the proof of the pudding is as you know in the eatingof it---steve