Remmy In Season Again (but She Is Spayed).

[~Sarah~]

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Sorry this is a bit long.

Remmy was spayed in Sept 07.

In Feb 08 she was obviously in season - all the usual signs. :- " I took her back to my vet, and also got a second opinion from another (recommended) vet.

At the time of her spay, I commented on the wound being quite long (compared to Dolly's spay op) and the stitches pulling her skin quite badly (ie the wound seemed to be stitched far too tightly). The vet said the wound would heal with no problem and it would not be noticeable in a few months. However, there is still an obvious scar, and I suppose always will be. They also left 2 stitches in when the stitches were removed, so I had to go back. So generally I didn't have much confidence in them.

The second opinion vet said it could be a one-off (where hormones haven't settled down) and may not occur again, or a bit of ovary has been left behind. It was possible that it could be some other problem (I think he said adrenal gland), but very rare and unlikely. He offered to carry out blood tests to check her hormone levels, but we agreed to wait and see, hoping it was a one-off.

I hoped all was well, but a couple of days ago I noticed she was coming into season again.

So - my question is what course would people advise? I am taking her to the vet that carried out the op later today, but wondered what others would do.

1. Do nothing, but we had her spayed for a number of reasons.

2. Have her operated on again by the original vet. I presume they wouldn't charge, but poor Remmy has to go through a major operation again, with all the risks, which I am very unhappy about. Plus I have lost confidence in them.

3. Have her operated on by the other vet, but still have all the same trauma to Remmy, and worry for me.

I worked for a vet many years ago and assisted at numerous spay ops and never remember this occurring to anyone, so have we just been unlucky?

 

[Debbie b]

as you are going to original vet later ask him why this is happening, if you don't get a reasonable answer go for another opinion again, i know this costs money all the time, me personally i would take her to another vet that comes highly recommended by others and have the operation done again, there could be a risk if it wasn't all taken out that it might be infected, hope to god it doesn't, also go to the c.a.b and see if you have to go down the route of having another operation is the origanal vet liable for the vet fee's as they obviously haven't done it right, i have never known a bitch to come back into season after being spayed none of my bitches have ever, good luck and try not to worry too much, hard i know.

 

[fallenangel]

I wuld go to the cab first so you know were you stand with the vet. i would want to speak to the origanl vet and check he actuly did the op and not a tranie or nures under his supervision.

I have lost count on the number of foster bitches we have had here and had them spyed and alot ahve staend with us well past there next due season with no signs like this.

i would allso want to know if left woul a bitch with a parcila spay be at risk from anything as shes not spayed but she is sothe benifet and of spaying and the benifts of not spaying could be both lost. i do think i would have her redone if thats what you decied was right for her in the first place but dont think i would want the origanl vet anywere near her with a knife again.

good luck and hope shes sorted soon

 

[Hula]

If you are not satisfied I would contact the Royal College of Veterinary Surgons ,

I would not be letting the original vet do another operation and if she needs another operation I don't see why you should pay for it . You have paid to have your bitch spayed and clearly she has not been spayed properly .

I have only ever had bitches and they have all been spayed and I have never heard of such a thing .

 

[moonlake]

If you are not satisfied I would contact the Royal College of Veterinary Surgons ,I would not be letting the original vet do another operation and if she needs another operation I don't see why you should pay for it . You have paid to have your bitch spayed and clearly she has not been spayed properly .

I have only ever had bitches and they have all been spayed and I have never heard of such a thing . 

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I agree with Hula. There are far too many incompetent vets around and it is important to blow the whistle on them. It is very bad luck on the bitch but you need to have her treated by someone competent. I suspect that BVA is the best organisation to complain to and make sure they realise that some urgent action is required.

Good luck,

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk

 

[~Sarah~]

Thanks everyone for your advice. I am off soon, so will be interesting to see what they say. :- "

 

[Foxglove]

Good luck and let us know how it all goes :huggles:

I've always had both sexes done and never heard of anything like this happening I too would be very wary of letting the original vet anywhere near my bitch since he cocked up the first op :angry: Reporting him sounds the best advice if he's definitely done an incompetent job - these are living breathing well-loved members of folks' family he's dealing with here! :unsure:

 

[alfyn]

If you are not satisfied I would contact the Royal College of Veterinary Surgons ,I would not be letting the original vet do another operation and if she needs another operation I don't see why you should pay for it . You have paid to have your bitch spayed and clearly she has not been spayed properly .

I have only ever had bitches and they have all been spayed and I have never heard of such a thing . 

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I agree with Hula. There are far too many incompetent vets around and it is important to blow the whistle on them. It is very bad luck on the bitch but you need to have her treated by someone competent. I suspect that BVA is the best organisation to complain to and make sure they realise that some urgent action is required.

Good luck,

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk

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[jinnyfizz]

If you are not satisfied I would contact the Royal College of Veterinary Surgons ,I would not be letting the original vet do another operation and if she needs another operation I don't see why you should pay for it . You have paid to have your bitch spayed and clearly she has not been spayed properly .

I have only ever had bitches and they have all been spayed and I have never heard of such a thing . 

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I agree with Hula. There are far too many incompetent vets around and it is important to blow the whistle on them. It is very bad luck on the bitch but you need to have her treated by someone competent. I suspect that BVA is the best organisation to complain to and make sure they realise that some urgent action is required.

Good luck,

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk

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Ditto :thumbsup:

I wish you and Remmy well, good luck :luck:

 

[Trish]

oh how awful for you and remmy its hard enough having them speyed as it is without having to face going through it again.

hope all goes well and i too dont think you should have to pay for another spey.

 

[TTT]

Maybe i have got it wrong - someone please correct me if it is so - i always thought that when a bitch was speyed they removed the uterus and ovaries? Is that not right? Surely if the ovaries were removed there would be no hormones to cause the uterus (which i always thought was removed anyway) lining to shed - thus causing bleeding?

I would be concerned that this staining/bleeding was some sort of vaginal infection?

Please let us know how you get on with her.

 

[~Sarah~]

Many thanks everyone for your support - much appreciated. :thumbsup:

Well, as I expected. :- " He said more than likely a tiny piece of ovarian tissue has been left behind. He explained how this could have occurred. I asked if this has ever happened before, and he said once in the time he has been there (8yrs).

I mentioned that I thought her op incision was longer than normal, but he said if the ligaments are tight, they have to make a larger incision.

They would obviously operate on her again at no charge (I should think so too!!). It couldn't be done now - have to wait a couple of months. However, it is possible that it could be a problem with the adrenal gland, in which case an op would have been a waste of time, but he said blood tests wouldn't show where the hormones were coming from so wouldn't help.

Unfortunately I'm not particularly good at confrontation, and didn't discuss whether they would pay for an op at another vet - I will need to pluck up courage to discuss that.

We are off to the Lake District tomorrow for a few days, so I will decide what to do when we get back, although there is no rush. I will contact the RCVS and BVA and see what they say.

 

[Whippets Rule]

i wouldn't be too quick to assume that the vet is incompetent as ovarian tissue can develop in other sites within the abdomen away from the actual ovaries, whilst it is rare it isn't unheard of, this can be just a small handful of cells enough to make her come into season but not enough to actually physically find.

again it isn't uncommon for incisions to be increased in size due to access issues during surgery due to fatty tissue within the abdominal cavity( this does not necessarily imply that the animal is fat actually), or simply the way the uterus is sitting within the body.

since i work in a veterinary surgery and see hundreds of spays each week, every animal is slightly different and occasionally things aren't exactly where we expect them to be.

It is unfortunate that you and your dog have experienced this problem and if it were my dog and i had her spayed for very specific reasons then i would go ahead with the second op,( assuming i trusted the vet enough for him to do the first op, my faith in him would remain )and hope that there is ovarian tissue still to be removed.