Sad State Of Affairs

[Rorington]

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I would love to see a concentrated effot to stop any one except vets from PTS any animal.

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So would I. What I would like even more than that is a concentrated effort to ensure that there are not surplus greyhounds requiring pts in the first place.

 

[05whippet]

I would love to see a concentrated effot to stop any one except vets from PTS any animal.

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So would I. What I would like even more than that is a concentrated effort to ensure that there are not surplus greyhounds requiring pts in the first place.

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I think most of us would like see that! but unfortunately in Greyhound racing as in Horse racing there is a demand for animals that can win and due to the fact that as of yet no-one has been able to solely breed just winners, I think that the sheer amount of surplus Dogs and Horses bred for the racing world will continue to be bred indiscriminately!! :angry: :angry: It is a very sad fact,but true nonetheless!

 

[urchin]

This man has stated that he has also put down dogs from the Police Rspca and local people.

And has done nothing illeagle.

To my mind this should not be allowed to happen TO ANY DOG.

I would love to see a concentrated effot to stop any one except vets from PTS any animal.

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Me too - but

(and i am a meat eater - before anyone adds rampant vegetaianism to my list of character flaws lol!)

it's going to be really hard to have a system where if you are an animal designated 'pet' only a vet can kill you - but if you are livestock, any slaughterman can!

and then there's the species that can be both, what about them? rabbits spring to mind or pot bellied pigs

If it is awful for dogs to wait in line and watch the ones in front being dispatched, it can't be any less so for cows, pigs, sheep etc ............ i think the whole thing needs looking at together, wouldn't like to see the gap widen any further.

 

[galty]

I would love to see a concentrated effot to stop any one except vets from PTS any animal.

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So would I. What I would like even more than that is a concentrated effort to ensure that there are not surplus greyhounds requiring pts in the first place.

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That can be said of all Dogs.

You must then agree with PETA that people should not own pets as the surplas ones are put down.

 

[Janimal]

This is a terrible terrible state of affairs (in my home County too Im ashamed to say) its been in all the local papers too.

I have spoken to a friend of mine who races Greyhounds and apparently he has now been banned from the NGRC, but some of the members obviously knew about it.

How has he been getting away with it for so long - its dispicable. :rant:

 

[nina]

How has he been getting away with it for so long - its dispicable. :rant:

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I personally think cos like with a lot of things its CLOSED SHOP & THEY ALL STICK TOGETHER which makes things VERY hard to prove.

However, like with most things ALL GOOD THINGS COME TO AN END.

Hopefully with what goes on & whats reported people finally begin to see what is actually happening.

If no one questions it, sadly it continues BUT people are now beginning to sit up & wonder & question just what does happen to all these surplus dogs & i think most have the intelligence to realise that this is not a one off case :thumbsup:

 

[Rorington]

That can be said of all Dogs.

But does that make it acceptable?

There are two reasons that I mentioned greyhounds specifically in my post. Firstly, this topic is in the 'Greyhound General Discussion' section. Secondly, a relatively high proportion of dogs taken in by animal rescue centres are actually greyhounds.

This is taken from an NCDL (now Dogs Trust) leaflet:

At any one time the NCDL has about 2000 dogs waiting for new homes. About a quarter of them are Greyhounds and Lurchers.

 

[nina]

That can be said of all Dogs.

But does that make it acceptable?

There are two reasons that I mentioned greyhounds specifically in my post. Firstly, this topic is in the 'Greyhound General Discussion' section. Secondly, a relatively high proportion of dogs taken in by animal rescue centres are actually greyhounds.

This is taken from an NCDL (now Dogs Trust) leaflet:

At any one time the NCDL has about 2000 dogs waiting for new homes. About a quarter of them are Greyhounds and Lurchers.

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Which just states the obvious that this is because there are sooo many more greyhounds bred than the majority of other breeds & dumped when they dont make the grade.

Statistics dont lie.

 

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That can be said of all Dogs.

But does that make it acceptable?

There are two reasons that I mentioned greyhounds specifically in my post. Firstly, this topic is in the 'Greyhound General Discussion' section. Secondly, a relatively high proportion of dogs taken in by animal rescue centres are actually greyhounds.

This is taken from an NCDL (now Dogs Trust) leaflet:

At any one time the NCDL has about 2000 dogs waiting for new homes. About a quarter of them are Greyhounds and Lurchers.

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Which just states the obvious that this is because there are sooo many more greyhounds bred than the majority of other breeds & dumped when they dont make the grade.

Statistics dont lie.

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I dont see how anyone can deny this,as Nina said "statistics dont lie" and it is unfortunate that this happens but it does!! And as mentioned before as long as there is Greyhound racing there will be an abundance of Greyhounds bred.Now I am not against G.racing but we do have to draw the line somewhere it really does need to be governed someway or somehow,it is exactly the same within horse racing,there are countless ex-racers who end their lives horrificly and there are also countless Thoroughbred racehorse rehabilitation centers.This is very similar to the countless Greyhound rehoming centers,at the end of the day after the dog/horse has served it's purpose and can no longer make the person or industry any more money it is passed on to where ever,and that is not to mention the amount that dont make the grade,what happens to these animals?? I do know that some trainers/breeders/owners keep their oldies,but it would be impossible to keep all the ones that dont make it,so that poses the question....what is the answer?? Do we stop breeding astronomical amounts of Greys? I think that we could carry on going around in cicles forever and still never come to an agreeable answer.

There are some things in life that are just not right and DO need to be changed,this is one of them,but I honestly cant see it being changed in the forseeable future except for a total ban (which I am not for BTW)

 

[nina]

There are some things in life that are just not right and DO need to be changed,this is one of them

I agree & the more the truth comes out & things are no longer swept under the carpet & people take into account the statistics that are bred & question where all these dogs have disappeared to the nearer to stopping this horrendous cruelty & over breeding we may be.

 

[FeeFee]

I suppose the choices are

1. We accept the fact that greyhounds are bred for a purpose (like other livestock) and that large numbers of them will be put to sleep at the end of their useful working lives, in which case the issues are to make sure they are well treated while they are racing and are humanely pts at the end of their career

2. The racing industry and others put more resources into supporting retired greyhounds, but that would presumably mean a lot of dogs living out their whole lives in kennels

3. The number of greyhounds bred is reduced to the number that can realistically be homed. I suspect this option belongs somewhere in cloud cuckoo land.

Also bear in mind that every wonderful home found for a greyhound is presumably a home that isnt taking another rescue dog - and we already have thousands of unwanted dogs of all breeds pts every year.

Pretty stark, really

 

[nina]

I suppose the choices are

1. We accept the fact that greyhounds are bred for a purpose (like other livestock) and that large numbers of them will be put to sleep at the end of their useful working lives, in which case the issues are to make sure they are well treated while they are racing and are humanely pts at the end of their career

2. The racing industry and others put more resources into supporting retired greyhounds, but that would presumably mean a lot of dogs living out their whole lives in kennels

3. The number of greyhounds bred is reduced to the number that can realistically be homed. I suspect this option belongs somewhere in cloud cuckoo land.

Also bear in mind that every wonderful home found for a greyhound is presumably a home that isnt taking another rescue dog - and we already have thousands of unwanted dogs of all breeds pts every year.

Pretty stark, really

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Option 4 - Take the money out of Greyhound racing & watch the statistics drop!!!

For those loving, caring Greyhound people that cherish their dogs & love to race for the pure enjoyment, fun & competition like the whippet folk, it shouldn't be a problem :thumbsup:

 

[Janimal]

I always thought that as a member of the NGRC, you had to find your dogs a home if they are injured or unwanted after their racing life is over.

At least thats what I thought - can anyone enlighten me. :unsure:

I think you are right though nina - Im sure this is not a one off case and probably goes on more than we think.

 

[05whippet]

I always thought that as a member of the NGRC,  you had to find your dogs a home if they are injured or unwanted after their racing life is over. 
At least thats what I thought - can anyone enlighten me. :unsure:

I think you are right though nina - Im sure this is not a one off case and probably goes on more than we think.

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You can bet your bottom dollar on that!!

I am sure if there was to be an investigation into the actual amount of Greys that are PTS because they are either not making the grade or have served their purpose the general public would be horrified! There is no "quick fix" answer to this but it certainly does justify being looked at.

I wonder if doing what Nina suggested and taking the money out of the racing industry just how many so called dedicated Greyhound lovers who are involved within this sport would still find it all so alluring?? Do you think that if at the end of the race a Trophy was won and there was no legal betting involved that there would still be the sheer amount of Greys being bred? Or the sheer amount of people interested in the sport.........I cant help feeling that the answer to that is a very simple NO :- "

I do realise that this all hypothetical as there is no way that there will ever be a ban on legal betting as the government make far too much money from it to do that,but it does make you think.

 

[Lolcoe]

Firstly i would like to say im not in anyway against what anyone is saying in this topic, it is in agreement that we all think things should be done regarding the welfare of Greyhounds, they are the most beautiful and intelligent breed i have ever owned (except for Whippets but they are just mental!!)

In answer to Janis, yes when you register a dog with the NGRC you are signing a declaration that states that you are solely responsible for the welfare of the animal beyond its racing life. Pity the NGRC dont enforce this. Of all the NGRC registered dogs that have been registered in my name, i have never been questioned whether i still own them.

As Skippy has posted in another topic, the RSPCA are working with the Government and i know our MP is pushing a new welfare bill to protect Greyhounds. I know what a lot of people think of the RSPCA but at the end of the day if the government will only deal with them then its a start. I personally think that Flapping should be regulated and tracks should work side by side with the NGRC.

Gambling will never be banned as it brings in too much revenue to the government. A few big tracks are owned by big betting companies and they make big donations to the RGT.

Unfortunately everyone wants the fastest dog and will breed with a fantastic stud dog but its obvious that the whole litter wont be great racers. Thing is its not known that a greyhound will be any good until about 15 months old. How many tiny Greyhound puppies are PTS? If breeders were to 'dump' a litter at 8 weeks old i'd say more people would be quick to rehome them as they have the AHHHHHH effect.

 

[galty]

I always thought that as a member of the NGRC,  you had to find your dogs a home if they are injured or unwanted after their racing life is over. 
At least thats what I thought - can anyone enlighten me. :unsure:

I think you are right though nina - Im sure this is not a one off case and probably goes on more than we think.

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Rule 18

NGRC Rule 18 is clear on what the Stewards consider to be acceptable provisions for retired greyhounds. The Rules are freely available through the NGRC website and, any owner or trainer failing in their responsibilities for greyhound welfare will face disciplinary action from the NGRC Stewards.

Rule 18 also clearly states that if it is necessary for a greyhound to be euthanased, either on humane grounds or because none of the other acceptable options for retirement listed in the Rule are available, such euthanasia must be carried out by a registered veterinary surgeon.

Anybody seeking information or clarification on Rule 18 is invited to contact the NGRC offices for assistance.

 

[FeeFee]

I don't think there is any arguement about what the rules are, the problem seems to be that there is no attempt to enforce them. I've had four retired greys over the years, all earmarked and registered dogs. One was handed into a dog pound by her owner, one was given away in a pub (and later abandoned by the person he was given to) and one was picked up as a stray. The fourth came from the RGT, but had been waiting 2 years for a home when we took him

As far as I'm aware nobody ever followed up on any of these with the registered owners/trainers. If they did I guess they would simply say the dogs had been rehomed some time before and were no longer their responsibility.

Unfortunately everyone wants the fastest dog and will breed with a fantastic stud dog but its obvious that the whole litter wont be great racers. Thing is its not known that a greyhound will be any good until about 15 months old. How many tiny Greyhound puppies are PTS? If breeders were to 'dump' a litter at 8 weeks old i'd say more people would be quick to rehome them as they have the AHHHHHH effect.

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A genuine question here, - as I understand it greyhounds run in 'puppy trials' when they are about six months old, and a proportion of them fail for one reason or another and don't go on to register to race. I have very rarely seen greyhound pups of this age in rescue - so what happens to the 'failed' pups?

 

[kris]

at the end of the day it all comes down to money. :angry: and lolcoe is right the government make a lot of revenue from taxes on betting.but if the general public made their thoughts known to their mps then i think a lot of mps might worry about how safe their seats are and the government might too.the only way things will change is the way its always been.joe public has to make his voice heard and folk in high places have to listen to us.to start with there should be a boycott on greyhound betting.hit them in the pockets and make them see we dont approve of whats going on.we (the average joes)made one tory government listen when we protested about the poll tax.maybe its time that this government listened to us about the greyhound industry :thumbsup:

 

[galty]

A genuine question here, - as I understand it greyhounds run in 'puppy trials' when they are about six months old, and a proportion of them fail for one reason or another and don't go on to register to race. I have very rarely seen greyhound pups of this age in rescue - so what happens to the 'failed' pups?

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Who the hell told you that.

UTTER rubbish.

A Greyhound is brought up with its litter brothers till at LEAST a year old, then its is schooled. it cannot trailed on a NCRC track till it is 15 months old, 14 months in Ireland.

Until then no one knows the potentil of any dog from any litter.

You have fallen for the Antis lies hook line and sinker.

 

[julieleigh]

Galty is 100% right here... some1 has spred a load of rubbish, pups that are reared for racing DO NOT get to look at a track till they 15 months at least in some cases...