Showing Straight Out Of Quarantine

[Ridgesetter]

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Whilst I appreciate and understand the need for quarantine regulations, and that we are not just testing for rabies, it is still in many cases a beaurocracy and money making concern.

Australian dogs walk off the plane in most countries, except the UK.

I have exported to two different countries without any problems but am about to export to a third and find that some of the tests and time restrictions required are ridiculous. We had to have a difficult blood test for a parasite THAT ISN"T IN AUSTRALIA! Now tell me that makes sense. And, the test is ony done twice a week, the other side of the country and naturally, isn't cheap. Even the vets I went to don't like or agree that the test is necessary as Ivermectin and Frontline would treat the parasite if present and they have to treat with these products for the export anyway. And my transport agent has informed us that the Govt Vet at the receiving end can be difficult.

Some exports and imports are seamless; others mind boggling. Chatting about this topic last night with friends at dinner, my girlfriend commented how her export landed late into Sweden so the vet charged $800 Aust to clear the dog on a Saturday. Wish I earnt that much for half an hours work!

I tend to think some quarantine bodies don't seem to be keeping abreast with modern vaccination protocols and titre testing. I will concede it is getting better as when we started in RR's, importing a dog took 15 months from Rhodesia. It's slowly been reduced over time. There were lots of dogs on pet passports at Crufts and The World Dog Show. But the wheels of governments are slow to turn.



Cheers

 

[Seraphina]

We had to have a difficult blood test for a parasite THAT ISN"T IN AUSTRALIA!

I think that the reasoning behind such requirements are that this parasite is not in Australia as far as we know and in this particular moment. If this problem will arrive here it will take some time before we will realise. Just like dogs from rabies free country have to go to quarantine for the same reason. Basically it is better safe than sorry.

I would rather pay the few hundred dollars for quarantine, than having rabies outbreak here. The other day, when we encountered in our park a lovely black lab with white frothy slobber, it was good to know the only worry I had,was that I had to bath Hephzibah on our return home.

 

[Ridgesetter]

But Lida, if we had to test for every known disease that wasn't in the country, we'd go broke and never import / export! It is irrational to test for something that can be and would be treated in the normal process of a vet administering Ivermectin and Frontline/Advantix/Revolution or similar product.

Anyway, I been advised that this test we undertook may soon be not required as the regulations are being assessed so that's good news.

 

[Cartman]

I agree Gail, poor dog, thoughtless new owners

WHOOOO!!!!!! Hold on there. THOUGHTLESS??????????? If I had not known who the owners were then I would have my doubts. But I do know who they are, I also know every event that happened that day.

I would also like to ask anyone else here "do you know all the facts"? I dont think so. Those of the knocking kind, of whom we have plenty, are you just upset that some people with foresight to bring a quallity bitch here? A bit upset are you that you will now be placed yet another peg down the line? Do you know how many visits were made to AQIS during her stay?

For those that dont know the AQIS is very close to where the owners live, & there were only a few days that someone was not there to pay a long visit, play, bonding etc. It was as if she was home, within reason that is.

Also I want to add; "I personally know the new owners & I will stand by any what ever they do ."

 

[GotWhippet?]

It's not like she came straight off a plane and into a dog show. The Windyle boys have always presented their dogs well, that I've seen.

I'm sure they would always have their dogs best interests at heart. G'luck with her I think she is lovely. Know idea of her pedigree but her look reminds me of the Silkstones of the past.

 

[aslan]

I ask AGAIN please that people refrain from posting their OPINIONS on whether or not a dog (or the most recent import to Australia) should be shown straight out of quarantine - that is NOT my topic - and I was not alluding to any particular dog, except my own.

I was asking for FACTS about the rules for all imports to Australia. And my question has been answered pretty much, so the discussion is basically over.

AGAIN, I did not ask the question to create the above kind of debate about this particular dog. And I believed (perhaps naively) that people would be able to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion and stay on topic.

If the thread continues to deviate from the original question I will ask for it to be removed.

 

[Seraphina]

Calm down Lana, this is an open forum; why should not people discuss issues slightly off the original topic, which was answered early on?

I am sure that an UK Champion is not a dog that would be traumatized by being taken to a show :wacko:

 

[aslan]

I am calm Lida - my above post was made quite carefully and deliberately.

If people want to discuss the "should/should not" issue about this particular dog - let them start their own thread on that issue.

 

[GotWhippet?]

Then don't start a topic on an OPEN PUBLIC forum. They always go off on tangents.

You could have easily rang up each state controlling body and the ANKC to get your answer.

 

[aslan]

Oh terribly sorry!

But let me just check the rules and guidelines ....

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* We require all posts to be appropriate, constructive, and on topic.

I have made it clear what my topic was. I am annoyed that from a simple question people seem intent on turning it into something else

And yes I could have contacted each state but seeing as it seemed to me that I'd been given a bum steer by my own governing body I wanted to know what other people had been told.

 

[turb065]

Well i didn't realise topics can be so bitchy lol. This reminds me of why i prefer not to get into the bitchy side of showing, which i hear about more than not. lol. As previously said the quarantine debate will rage for a long time, in my opinion better safe than sorry. As far as showing is concerned, i was of the thought that all papers and other formalities had to be in order at time of registering for the show. Maybe i was wrong. If people wish to show there dogs straight from the quarantine pens i guess that is their opinion, but in saying that i would also believe that most showers would not show a dog if they didn't think the dog would be up to it. Many people pull dogs from shows as they dont like the judge or they are having a bad day, so i think all these different factors are taken into account.

Anyway slightly off topic, as far as import/exporting goes does this not lead to size/height variations, as withalot of shows i've been to lately the dogsseemto be getting bigger. Is this a result of importation? Crispy is small which i like opinions may vary, but was this not the idea of the whippet? As one day i wish to breed from her and hopefully keep the smaller size i believe this is getting harder. Opinions Appreciated

If people have a problem with this post please let me know and i will move it :lol:

 

[Ridgesetter]

Lana's question was simply about the regulations of showing straight out of quarantine as that was what she had been advised in her state. Others responded re their interpretation of the regulations and some that they thought even if you could show straight from quarantine, they wouldn't and didn't think it appropriate. I posted regarding quarantine in general and wondered at the time if I should have started a new thread which in hindsight, would have been better.

IMO, a post on height should be a new topic as it really isn't related to this thread. Should it go there, will be happy to respond.

 

[Seraphina]

IMO, a post on height should be a new topic as it really isn't related to this thread. Should it go there, will be happy to respond.

I agree; in any case Turbo, you may not get as much response here as many people already looked at this thread and will not come back. Do not worry about removing your post, just start new thread.

However, I see nothing wrong with threads changing direction, once the original question was answered and the conversation develops into something bit different

 

[Sarsanet]

I agree Gail, poor dog, thoughtless new owners

WHOOOO!!!!!! Hold on there. THOUGHTLESS??????????? If I had not known who the owners were then I would have my doubts. But I do know who they are, I also know every event that happened that day.

I would also like to ask anyone else here "do you know all the facts"? I dont think so. Those of the knocking kind, of whom we have plenty, are you just upset that some people with foresight to bring a quallity bitch here? A bit upset are you that you will now be placed yet another peg down the line? Do you know how many visits were made to AQIS during her stay?

For those that dont know the AQIS is very close to where the owners live, & there were only a few days that someone was not there to pay a long visit, play, bonding etc. It was as if she was home, within reason that is.

Also I want to add; "I personally know the new owners & I will stand by any what ever they do ."

Hang on, John - what/who are you talking about here? I wasn't referring to any particular dog or owners in my comment. Lana asked about dogs going straight from quarantine to a show & having transported my own dogs around the world a couple of times I know how unsettled they are at first when they come out of quarantine even when they go home with an owner they know well. When you think of what a confusing experience the whole business must be to a dog who was suddenly taken away from the home it knew, put on a plane, plonked in kennels, handled by people there it didn't know & visited every so often by yet more people it had never seen before in its life, no matter how kind they were, it doesn't seem too much to ask that the dog be taken to its new home & be allowed to settle in before going off to a show.

My comments refer to the whole dog showing scene in general - you clearly think I am referring to someone specific but I'm not & don't even know who you think it is so, please, climb down off your high horse & calm down.

 

[Cartman]

I agree Gail, poor dog, thoughtless new owners

WHOOOO!!!!!! Hold on there. THOUGHTLESS??????????? If I had not known who the owners were then I would have my doubts. But I do know who they are, I also know every event that happened that day.

I would also like to ask anyone else here "do you know all the facts"? I dont think so. Those of the knocking kind, of whom we have plenty, are you just upset that some people with foresight to bring a quallity bitch here? A bit upset are you that you will now be placed yet another peg down the line? Do you know how many visits were made to AQIS during her stay?

For those that dont know the AQIS is very close to where the owners live, & there were only a few days that someone was not there to pay a long visit, play, bonding etc. It was as if she was home, within reason that is.

Also I want to add; "I personally know the new owners & I will stand by any what ever they do ."

Hang on, John - what/who are you talking about here? I wasn't referring to any particular dog or owners in my comment. Lana asked about dogs going straight from quarantine to a show & having transported my own dogs around the world a couple of times I know how unsettled they are at first when they come out of quarantine even when they go home with an owner they know well. When you think of what a confusing experience the whole business must be to a dog who was suddenly taken away from the home it knew, put on a plane, plonked in kennels, handled by people there it didn't know & visited every so often by yet more people it had never seen before in its life, no matter how kind they were, it doesn't seem too much to ask that the dog be taken to its new home & be allowed to settle in before going off to a show.

My comments refer to the whole dog showing scene in general - you clearly think I am referring to someone specific but I'm not & don't even know who you think it is so, please, climb down off your high horse & calm down.

You are kidding me???? What has happened is some personal friends of mine made an educated choise to show that day. You were never part of the process for this to happen. Therefore you comments have no bearing on the one case. If you have had a bad time in the past then I am sorry. It seems that my response was to Jayp. Your comments made that person call my friend "thoughless". When the truth is it seem they made the right one.

 

[gajo]

You started in Lana

 

[gajo]

That should read....You started IT Lana...OOps. :b

 

[Seraphina]

I wasn't referring to any particular dog or owners in my comment. Lana asked about dogs going straight from quarantine to a show

No Gail, Lana did not ask that; she asked about KC regulation about being allowed to enter dogs straight from quarantine, as she had to wait some weeks for the papers to come through.

& having transported my own dogs around the world a couple of times I know how unsettled they are at first when they come out of quarantine even when they go home with an owner they know well.

I guess it depends TOTALLY on each dog. Some dogs are actually very happy at shows.

I have also traveled with dogs. My dogs spent 4 weeks in boarding kennels here in OZ while I went ahead to Europe, they followed then, and arrived absolutely unruffled. They were happy to see me, but they also very happy with all the attention they were getting from the airport staff, while we were waiting for the quarantine vet to check them out. When we finally got home they just waltzed in as if they always lived there. If it was not for the fact that they had to wait for 4 weeks (to get their rabies shots & develop immunity) before they could meet other dogs I would not have hesitated to show them.

 

[Nigel]

This topic is temporarily closed.

 

[chelynnah]

Topic closed.

The original question has been asked and answered, and while there's not a problem with a topic going off on a related tangent, there IS a problem when people bring in judgement of others who are not here to defend themselves (and particularly as that situation was NOT what the original poster was asking about).

If you wish to carry on further discussion about quarantine in general please feel free to begin a new topic.

Thanks

Wendy