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I went to a championship show recently and was surprised that the judge didn't test ears (for instance by using a squeaky toy to alert the dogs); there were a few whose ears looked suspect to me.

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This is only done on the continent!

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There was an American a few years back judging at a Ch show who also did it.

Steve Dean sometimes takes the training at the ringcraft I go to and, because he is a terrier man, he tends to try and attract dogs to use their ears ....... I keep telling him not to do it to Whippets .......... LOL! I think he does it to Jeremy on purpose now ............ luckily he has correct ears!

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Next time I see Steve I'll tell him - whippets aren't Borders!! :lol: He has quite a sense of humour though so I am sure he finds it amusing!! An allrounder I went under at an open show did this to PS recently, thats as well as checked ALL her back teeth and bounced on her back :wacko: another one to mark off the list!

 

[herby]

I went to a championship show recently and was surprised that the judge didn't test ears (for instance by using a squeaky toy to alert the dogs); there were a few whose ears looked suspect to me.(not that it would make a jot of difference to their running or huntiing abilities)

what about high tails in puppies?

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i always used to think that about mr spock :blink:

signed--------davey dill

 

[beaker]

hmm this has got me thinking onabit

under most all rounders i've found that if i have my dog stood with "Alert expression" they have done better than if i've got them simply stacked "whippet style"

but under whippet judges have had a variety of places and comments for both

i've also noticed that in a lot of the photo's ive seen of 'forringe' competitions the whippets are often stood "alert" ...is this a result of showmanship from professional handlers or is there more preferance given to dogs shown this way?

just curious really

 

[JAX]

I know what you mean Becka , years ago I was showing my `Simon` whippet and the BIS judge was a Rough Collie guy , I decided to get him to `show his ears `, and we got RBIS , the judge then came over and said , if hed kept his ears down ( they were perfect BTW) he would have won BIS (w00t)

So you never can tell , can you :cheers:

heres a piture of him :wub:

 

[beaker]

:wub: 'Simon' whippet has lovely spot on ears :wub:

do you have any of him stacked with 'downy' ears? i love seeing how little tweeks and adjustment can change the whole perception of a dog

(i'm a pain i know)

i was really suprised by a top corgi lady once at ringcraft when i was showing Otis,

he had his alert look on the table and his ears were perfect, she came over and asked me(kinda snidely) if i'd get knocked for allowing my dog to "fly" his ears,

i tried explaining to her what flying ears actually were but she wouldn't have any of it

i know she had a totally different breed but it was worrying to think that someone who was a champ show judge, judged a variety of breeds, and taught others how to show didn't even understand a simple term like that

 

[phill]

Eric has "up and down" ears depending on whats going on around him :lol:

Just like his Dad's Ears.... looking at the pics of Owen! :thumbsup:

 

[dessie]

I went to a championship show recently and was surprised that the judge didn't test ears (for instance by using a squeaky toy to alert the dogs); there were a few whose ears looked suspect to me.

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This is only done on the continent!

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There was an American a few years back judging at a Ch show who also did it.

Steve Dean sometimes takes the training at the ringcraft I go to and, because he is a terrier man, he tends to try and attract dogs to use their ears ....... I keep telling him not to do it to Whippets .......... LOL! I think he does it to Jeremy on purpose now ............ luckily he has correct ears!

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Next time I see Steve I'll tell him - whippets aren't Borders!! :lol: He has quite a sense of humour though so I am sure he finds it amusing!! An allrounder I went under at an open show did this to PS recently, thats as well as checked ALL her back teeth and bounced on her back :wacko: another one to mark off the list!

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Oh Yes!! Bless him! :huggles: But I can give as good as I get! LOL :lol:

 

[JAX]

:wub: 'Simon' whippet has lovely spot on ears  :wub:
do you have any of him stacked with 'downy' ears? i love seeing how little tweeks and adjustment can change the whole perception of a dog 

(i'm a pain i know)   

i was really suprised by a top corgi lady once at ringcraft when i was showing Otis,

he had his alert look on the table and his ears were perfect, she came over and asked me(kinda snidely) if i'd get knocked for allowing my dog to "fly" his ears, 

i tried explaining to her what flying ears actually were but she wouldn't have any of it 

i know she had a totally different breed but it was worrying to think that someone who was a champ show judge, judged a variety of breeds, and taught others how to show didn't even understand a simple term like that 

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Yes Becka ,scary isnt it (w00t)

Heres a couple more of Simon , please dont laugh at his young handler :b

 

[rls22]

Aaah Jax and Simon both so lovely :huggles:

 

[doris]

Yes Becka ,scary isnt it  (w00t)  
Heres a couple more of Simon , please dont laugh at his young handler  :b

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oh how cute! you look a pair of angels o

 

[~JO~]

In a puppy stakes class I was in this year a very well known BIS level judge was judging and when she was going over PS she said she was glad about her correct size and best of all her ears were down - she said it is an absolute pet hate of hers that people show them alert, and that we aren't in the US. She spoke with such passion about it even though she wasn't a whippet person.

All very interesting

 

[nina]

In a puppy stakes class I was in this year a very well known BIS level judge was judging and when she was going over PS she said she was glad about her correct size and best of all her ears were down - she said it is an absolute pet hate of hers that people show them alert, and that we aren't in the US.  She spoke with such passion about it even though she wasn't a whippet person.

All very interesting

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Well i'm sorry but to my mind this person quite frankly shouldn't be judging our breed at all :b

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage then whether their ears are held alert in the ring or pinned back is irrelevent.

When i am judging i certainly would NOT penalise either, as both are correct.

Our breed standard calls for " Ears - Rose shaped, small, fine in texture."

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage & lets be honest we all know there are many that do not & tend to fly or prick their ears why not let it be seen in the ring? :blink:

Many times in a ring a whippet will be alerted by a ringside noise or other breed of dog & you can see their true ear carriage anyway.

On just a personal note, i love to see a whippet standing with correct ear carriage in the alert expression rather than just pinned to the back of the head as i feel it gives a far more animated & obviously alert expression BUT this is just a personal preference & as a judge i certainly would not penalise correct ears that were held back instead :thumbsup:

 

[05whippet]

In a puppy stakes class I was in this year a very well known BIS level judge was judging and when she was going over PS she said she was glad about her correct size and best of all her ears were down - she said it is an absolute pet hate of hers that people show them alert, and that we aren't in the US.  She spoke with such passion about it even though she wasn't a whippet person.

All very interesting

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Well i'm sorry but to my mind this person quite frankly shouldn't be judging our breed at all :b

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage then whether their ears are held alert in the ring or pinned back is irrelevent.

When i am judging i certainly would NOT penalise either, as both are correct.

Our breed standard calls for " Ears - Rose shaped, small, fine in texture."

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage & lets be honest we all know there are many that do not & tend to fly or prick their ears why not let it be seen in the ring? :blink:

Many times in a ring a whippet will be alerted by a ringside noise or other breed of dog & you can see their true ear carriage anyway.

On just a personal note, i love to see a whippet standing with correct ear carriage in the alert expression rather than just pinned to the back of the head as i feel it gives a far more animated & obviously alert expression BUT this is just a personal preference & as a judge i certainly would not penalise correct ears that were held back instead :thumbsup:

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I have to say I agree with you Nik......I think a whippet looks far better with an alert expression,so therefore I bait and ask for one! But it is just MY preference.

I cannot believe that a judge would penalise a dog for having an alert expression in the ring,that is like penalising a dog for having dew-claws or being a particular color!! :angry:

 

[~JO~]

In a puppy stakes class I was in this year a very well known BIS level judge was judging and when she was going over PS she said she was glad about her correct size and best of all her ears were down - she said it is an absolute pet hate of hers that people show them alert, and that we aren't in the US.  She spoke with such passion about it even though she wasn't a whippet person.

All very interesting

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Well i'm sorry but to my mind this person quite frankly shouldn't be judging our breed at all :b

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage then whether their ears are held alert in the ring or pinned back is irrelevent.

When i am judging i certainly would NOT penalise either, as both are correct.

Our breed standard calls for " Ears - Rose shaped, small, fine in texture."

If a whippet has the correct ear carriage & lets be honest we all know there are many that do not & tend to fly or prick their ears why not let it be seen in the ring? :blink:

Many times in a ring a whippet will be alerted by a ringside noise or other breed of dog & you can see their true ear carriage anyway.

On just a personal note, i love to see a whippet standing with correct ear carriage in the alert expression rather than just pinned to the back of the head as i feel it gives a far more animated & obviously alert expression BUT this is just a personal preference & as a judge i certainly would not penalise correct ears that were held back instead :thumbsup:

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I have to say I agree with you Nik......I think a whippet looks far better with an alert expression,so therefore I bait and ask for one! But it is just MY preference.

I cannot believe that a judge would penalise a dog for having an alert expression in the ring,that is like penalising a dog for having dew-claws or being a particular color!! :angry:

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I don't think she would penalise - but she personally much preferred them to be shown in 'typical' english style. You can quite often tell whether a whippet has correct ear carriage without them having to be shown alert - normally thickness of the ear and the way they are held when down will tell you this

 

[beaker]

this is making for an interesting read, esspecially comparing the differing views on how best to show a dog :thumbsup:

it's always interested me how little things can make a huge diiference to the overall picture e.g something simple like showing a dog with ears up or down

for instance pics of otis when he was younger taken at the same time but in one he has ears alert the other not

his whole body shape changes with his change in attitude :thumbsup:

 

[nina]

I don't think she would penalise

I would certainly hope not!!! :angry: :thumbsup:

 

[nina]

this is making for an interesting read, esspecially comparing the differing views on how best to show a dog  :thumbsup:
it's always interested me how little things can make a huge diiference to the overall picture e.g something simple like showing a dog with ears up or down

for instance pics of otis when he was younger taken at the same time but in one he has ears alert the other not

his whole body shape changes with his change in attitude  :thumbsup:

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I think Otis looks lovely in both piccys BUT personally i prefer his whole stance in the bottom piccy with the "alert expression". It elongates his neck & i think balances his topline more for me :thumbsup:

 

[~JO~]

I don't think she would penalise

I would certainly hope not!!! :angry: :thumbsup:

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I was replying to 05whippets comment as she was saying 'I can't believe a judge would penalise'

I too would certainly hope not

 

[nina]

I was replying to 05whippets comment as she was saying 'I can't believe a judge would penalise'

I too would certainly hope not

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I did realise WHO you were replying to BUT was just commenting anyway :b

Seems like we are all in agreement that for any judge to penalise over something so downright ridiculous would just be an utter farce (w00t) :thumbsup:

 

[Ann Glews]

Izzy's ears go up when she is listening, she looks like a fruit bat! :- "

But a cute fruit bat :wub: