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To confirm the parentage of any given dog, we will need a sample from the offspring,dam, and every possible sire, a parentage test is not possible without all these samples

You don't know Jack Sh*t :lol:

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You could be right Ive never need to know...only can state what Randall Smith

DDC Veterinary email me back over when i asked them the question below

Ive 2 dogs i would like DNA tested , i believe there both from the same litter , would it be possible to DNA test them both to see if they were from the same stud dog ...

Reply : We could determine if the 2 dogs are from the same stud

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@ Geoff will re ask this question as i am finding it hard to see where gaz posts had anything to do with you sending the letter in to com

If you read the topic where your friend Gary Farmer, publicly accuses Sugar Daddy of being on drugs you will see in one of my posts what my intentions were, regarding Set a sprat to catch a mackereland lo & behold it worked.

I do things my way, no-one pulls my strings, and to be honest I don't care who believes me,or who doesn't,I have nothing to prove.

Innocent until proven guilty

With all due respect Geoff what has Gary Farmer, publicly accuses Sugar Daddy of being on drugs you will see in one of my posts what my intentions were, regarding Set a sprat to catch a mackerel

and lo & behold it worked. got to do with you sending a letter into the NNWRF putting your dogs breeding and date of birth into disrepute

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People do lots of things that don't make sense to other people.

Like why does it take someone 2 years before they put a complaint in about the breeding of a dog. :wacko:

Why does someone mate a bitch with 2 stud dogs :wacko:

Why does someone's friend send out pm s calling them dodgey breeder, and let it be known that they are schooling a full bred greyhound that is going to be registered as a non-ped. :wacko:

Why do people allow money to be stolen and not inform the POLICE :wacko:

Why did I put a question mark over my dogs breeding, why, because I needed to know who was the one's spreading the rumours, and now I know :thumbsup:

SET A SPRAT TO CATCH A MACKERAL

 

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

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But Geoff all these thing could of been sorted through the committee without you feeling the need to put your dogs breeding into disputed with both organizations ...

committee are hopefully there in place to deal with members complaints ... and i am sure there was one or two on the fed committee you could of trusted with these complaints

Its just all very strange to me that you felt the need to cause all this bad feeling and trouble to prove your points

I can how ever add i did make a post on k9 in a topic think breeding ..that i was fully aware of the owners and greyhound certain people where going to try and register ...on which i was slated by a k0 member for posting me been on a committee and all that ... I can assure you these people would not of get away with it even if they where friends or NNWRF committee

Regarding Bellwood's , Ive already posted in other post about the situation that surrounded them ...you were a committee person at the time decisions where made , you and all the committee saw what literature i had off the bank , you and all the committee agree as to how we the committee felt it should of been dealt with then... this topic is about sugar mouse and the situation surrounding it at present ...

Nothing else i will only post about the situation at hand , and try to find out where this all went wrong , hopefully for you to add your side of it and me to add mine also ...no lies will be posted on my behalf

You say INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY i say you set the seed its up to you to prove it

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Your just waffling on because you can't find me guilty :thumbsup: I've given my side of the story :thumbsup: and you can accept it or not, I don't really care.

We won't be renewing our membership with the fed, so chill out.

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Well i thought different but each to there own :thumbsup:

 

[Tony Taylor]

No one is "innocent until proven guilty" rather they are presumed innocent until proven guilty. "Innocent until proven guilty" suggests that it's satisfactory to commit whatever indiscrestions you see fit as long as no one can prove otherwise. Of course you are still guilty if you have commited any offence whether it can be proved or not.

 

[S. Rodgers]

No one is "innocent until proven guilty" rather they are presumed innocent until proven guilty. "Innocent until proven guilty" suggests that it's satisfactory to commit whatever indiscrestions you see fit as long as no one can prove otherwise. Of course you are still guilty if you have commited any offence whether it can be proved or not.

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How can u be still guilty if u havent been found guilty of anything, what, by what a few people say like what happened to me, what it is if u open your mouth about something and people dont like it then your found guilty of something, and they will stick together and say u r guilty and u have to accept it I DONT THINK SO Sue

 

[milly]

weathergirls Posted on: Jul 16 2004, 08:39 PM

N.N.W.R.F. CHAIRPERSON

  RE-other forms of cheating-------WEIGH IN--[1] no organizer of a race meeting be it club or open should weigh there own dogs in ...[2] the weighing bag should not be taken away from the area of the scales i;e . when the person on the scales takes their dog back to their car the bag should remain at the scales and not taken off with them as has been done at past events .TRAPS---there should be an official other than the trap man to oversee the start of a race he used to be known as the starter judge is duties were to make sure all was in order before putting the flag up to start the race. None other than the officials should be allowed on the track after the dogs have been loaded and the handlers have set off , if a front board slips and cannot easily be adjusted by the official without opening the trap then it should just be removed. this is unfortunate but n all fairness to the the other in the race it is the responsibillity of the handler to make sure it is secure same goes for muzzles.......

As for the costings on the drug testing what about the cost of the breakdown of sample 2 . I am not against drug testing Iam in favour of it if its done right however i do believe in innocent till proven guilty therfor the onus is on those testing to to foot the bill for the1st sample and the 2nd sample if someone wanted to appeal if the positive 

There's not only me who thinks your INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, is there?

 

[wild whippies]

No one is "innocent until proven guilty" rather they are presumed innocent until proven guilty. "Innocent until proven guilty" suggests that it's satisfactory to commit whatever indiscrestions you see fit as long as no one can prove otherwise. Of course you are still guilty if you have commited any offence whether it can be proved or not.

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How can u be still guilty if u havent been found guilty of anything, what, by what a few people say like what happened to me, what it is if u open your mouth about something and people dont like it then your found guilty of something, and they will stick together and say u r guilty and u have to accept it I DONT THINK SO Sue

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Sue, what Tony is saying is that people are presumed innocent until it's been proven otherwise. What folk 'say' is done is irrelevant, what is actually done is what matters and obtaining proof substantiating what they've done is how a conclusion can be made as to whether a person is guilty or innocent.

His last comment:

Of course you are still guilty if you have commited any offence whether it can be proved or not.

This means that if you did commit the offence then you are guilty even if you can produce proof otherwise, simply by the fact that you commited the offence.

I could give a very good example of a real legal case involving myself where many would have varied opinions on whether someone was guilty or innocent. The Crown Prosecution Service opted for a safer option by charging them with a lesser sentance but it certainly doesn't proove this individual's innocence of a far more serious crime. Only me and him know what his intentions were and a court would struggle to proove either way. Hence them opting for a lesser charge that would get a guilty verdict.

 

[stuart worcs]

IM AN IMPARTIAL BYSTANDER

SO CAN I ASK THESE 2 QUESTIONS??

1,WHY DID THE PERSON OR PERSONS WAIT 2YRS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE BREEDING??

2.WHY DID THE OWNER OF THE DOG NOT COME FORWARD EARLIER

IF HE OR SHE KNEW THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE DATES?

STU SAYS LET THEM GET ON WITH IT

BUT PERSONALLY I THINK THERES GOTTA BE SOMETHING WRONG SOMEWHERE

IVE NOT ANY EXPERIENCE WITH DOGS AND BREEDING

BUT 1 THING I DO KNOW IS

WHEN MY DOGS WHERE BORN

EVEN IF I HAVE TO ASK STU

 

[wild whippies]

In relation to Sugarmouse, if you perceive the readers of K9 as the 'jury' then this is how the jury would have to preceive the situation.

No-one has of yet produced any proof regarding the parentage of Sugarmouse.

Sugarmouse is ultimately a non-ped whippet even when all statements and accusations are taken into consideration. Not one of these have stated otherwise, furthermore we have all seen the dog and it's relatives and as such an individual can decide themselves not only whether they feel the dog is a non-ped whippet but also have some opinion of what breeding the dog is.

The doubt lies within her breeding for 2 reasons,

1. Geoff's verbal and written admittance that there is doubt to her parentage.

2. A second parties verbal and written admittance that they 'know' there is doubt to her parentage.

Both the above have no proof as such because they are statements where either party could be stating the truth or be lying for reasons known to themself.

Only one thing could be prooved in this case beyond reasonable doubt and that is the parentage of Sugarmouse. The question why individuals ever put the breeding into doubt will never be revealed and is more a matter of judging someone's character following the rifts some individuals have developed with one another.

This is how I judged the situation when it was presented to me at the BWRA committee meeting and voiced my opinion as such,

Sugarmouse is a non-ped whippet.

She should race as a non-ped whippet.

If there is doubt to her parentage by the owner then her parentage should not be documented or acknowledged until it is ascertained.

The onus is on the owner (if they feel it neccesary) to gain such evidence.

I think this is fair to all concerned. The who, whats and whys are totally irrelevant to me.

 

[rob67]

Have missed the start of these arguments due to having to see to something more serious, but if people wish to comment on sugar mouses breeding, then I'm sure they will continue. Everyone has their opinion, no matter what, and very little will change that I suppose.

The only reason to carry on the dispute is to further personal grieveances, and life is definitely too short to do that.

I dont care who, what and where anybody has done anything...............I'm sure we all have skeletons in our cupboards.............and those that say they havent just havent been discovered yet.

chris

 

[mutley]

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meaning is her parentage correct and are her dates of birth correct...thous was she liable to run as a puppy under 12 months at events or did she run over 12 months of age in puppy events ...we are not talking days we are talking weeks

Sorry dee not gaz

 

[milly]

Percentage meaning is her parentage  correct and are her dates of birth correct...thous was she liable to run as a puppy under 12 months at events or did she run over 12 months of age in puppy events ...we are not talking days we are talking weeks

Sorry dee not gaz

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I believe our mouse is not the dog to have a question mark over her date of birth is she Dee?

 

[Karen-Coral]

Your fences need to be horse-high, pig-tight and bull-strong.

Keep skunks and bankers and lawyers at a distance.

Life is simpler when you plow around the stump.

A bumble bee is considerably faster than a John Deere tractor.

Words that soak into your ears are whispered... not yelled.

Meanness don't jes' happen overnight.

Forgive your enemies. It messes up their heads.

Do not corner something you know is meaner than you.

It don't take a very big person to carry a grudge.

You cannot unsay a cruel, or unkind word.

Every path has a few puddles.

When you wallow with pigs, expect to get dirty.

The best sermons are lived, not preached.

Most of the stuff people worry about ain't never gonna happen anyway.

Don't judge folks by their relatives.

Remember silence is sometimes the best answer.

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older

and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time.

Don't interfere with somethin' that ain't botherin' you none.

Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.

If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop diggin'.

Sometimes you get, and sometimes you get got.

The biggest troublemaker you'll probably ever

have to deal with, watches you from the mirror every mornin'.

Always drink upstream from the herd.

Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that

comes from bad judgment.

Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier

than puttin' it back in.

If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence,

try orderin' somebody else's dog around.

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly.

Leave the rest up to God.

Far too many Lawyers without qualifications on here

All putting their slant on this issue---

would respectfully suggest this what i got off Chit-Chat would help --have put in bold the ones most applicable in my opinion

THE LAST ONE BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT

Steve :thumbsup:

 

[Fleesh]

You must have read my mind Steve as I've just seen that post in Chit-Chat and also thought "how appropriate" ...

 

[milly]

A clear conscience is more valuable than wealth.

A firm tree does not fear the storm :thumbsup:

 

[Tony Taylor]

Percentage meaning is her parentage  correct and are her dates of birth correct...thous was she liable to run as a puppy under 12 months at events or did she run over 12 months of age in puppy events ...we are not talking days we are talking weeks

Sorry dee not gaz

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I believe our mouse is not the dog to have a question mark over her date of birth is she Dee?

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But Sugar Mouse date of birth is in question.

Given that both sides keep starting topics I can only presume they may be interested in others opinions rather than they just like seeing their own material in print.

FWIW I personally don't care what SMs breeding is. As far as I'm concerned it's a non ped whippet in either case. Furthermore I don't care that it may have won a race illegitimatley, although I wasn't the one who had a dog in that race. If I did have a dog in that race that had come second I still wouldn't care. If someone wants to cheat good luck to them. Given the number of stunts I've seen in whippet racing I've given up worrying about being cheated out of a win. I've my own ideas as to who isn't playing fair and while they might feel they're being clever and getting one over on everyone else to me they're just idiots and I have no respect for them.

Geoff has given two versions of SMs breeding and since they both can't be right one must be a falsehood. There can be no way of knowing which version has been given truthfully without additional evidence in support. A DNA test is the only way I would be convinced since once a person has been dishonest with me I personaly don't give any weight to any further comments they may give.

On balance of probabilities given all the information made available to me I don't believe SM is from the Maisy x Sugar Daddy litter.

 

[milly]

Percentage meaning is her parentage  correct and are her dates of birth correct...thous was she liable to run as a puppy under 12 months at events or did she run over 12 months of age in puppy events ...we are not talking days we are talking weeks

Sorry dee not gaz

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I believe our mouse is not the dog to have a question mark over her date of birth is she Dee?

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My post should have said, our mouse is not the only dog to have a question mark over her date of birth is she Dee?

 

[Karen-Coral]

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[Karen-Coral]

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