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QUOTE, Barnyboy:

...I myself would not like to have to do it to my dog but... a soft muzzle.
Maybe try using it for short spells, while you are in the house, but not in the same room. As long as she can DRINK and not get it caught on anything, ... it might help ...

I have a dog, and luckily managed to stop the chewing before it really started (if you know what I mean). I know puppies will chew, especially when they are teething, but if I saw him chewing as a young puppy, I used a lemon...
every time he started to chew anything other than his own chewy toys, I would dab his lip with the lemon. Hey, presto, he stopped.
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A few brief notes on safety & muzzles:

- no muzzle is COMPLETELY safe, whenever a dog is unsupervised... but SOFT muzzles, AKA “groomers’ muzzles”, are never, ever safe, supervised closely or not.

They HOLD THE MOUTH CLOSED, either fully closed with elastic, or reduced to a mere slit like a postbox slot with inelastic fabric or mesh. In all cases, the dog so confined cannot pant adequately, as their airway is restricted & they can’t open their mouths fully to COOL OFF, or even to maintain a safe core temp.
Dogs can quickly die when they overheat, & reducing their airway or restricting their ability to pant is one way to kill them.

- BASKET MUZZLES are the only relatively safe muzzles.
The dog must be able to fully open her or his mouth, unrestricted, to pant, to vomit if need be, to cough or gag if they choke.

- even basket muzzles should rarely ever be on the dog when they are solo.
Accidents happen, & deaths have occurred despite careful forethought.

- when no one is home, a crate is the safest way to prevent destructive chewing, trashcan foraging, pee or poop indoors, & other undesired behaviors, or simply to confine a sick or injured dog safely.
Shipping crates are better designed than wire show-crates, as the protect dogs from floor level drafts while providing plenty of ventilation, plus they are virtually inescapable (unlike show crates), & have solid lower halves (no leaks, no spills).

Missed one, sorry:
Dogs wearing “soft” AKA tube muzzles cannot drink- nor eat, pant, etc.
Dogs wearing box-muzzles need a bucket of water, secured so that it cannot tip & spill, b/c to drink they must plunge the muzzle into the bucket, & lap “inside” the submerged muzzle.



Re chewing
Chewing is a natural behavior, & like it or lump it, part of a pup’s development. It has mental, physical, & even emotional long-term effects. Among other things, just like human infants, a pup needs to explore their environs orally & learn about objects, living things, non living things, what is edible or inedible, what’s chewable & what’s nasty.

PUNISHING a puppy for chewing is IMO not only harmful to the pup, but wrongheaded, as the puppy will associate the person who punished them with “bad feelings”. Destroying a pup’s sense of trust in me as an owner, or even as a trainer, petsitter, or dogwalker, who is part of their life only for short interludes, is not worth saving anything from puppy teeth.

Confining a pup with a crate, babygate, tether, or in a safe puppy-proof area where s/he cannot get to anything they shouldn’t is the RESPONSIBILITY of the owner or of the human adult who is caring for that pup; if the puppy gets ahold of some precious object, it is NOT THE PUPPY who is to blame.
IT IS THE HUMAN who is at fault, & if anyone gets punished, it should be that human.

The same rule holds for not-yet-housetrained pups or dogs:
If they pee or poop in the house, it is NOT their fault; they are entirely blameless, & whoever was the human that was supposed to mind the pup, or who should have confined them to a crate, or who failed to get home within 4-hours, or whatever the cause, THE HUMAN, not the puppy or dog, should be punished.

Punishment causes distrust, & while dogs are too forgiving for their own good, they can’t wipe the slate blank. They do remember, & U cannot erase the damage done; it’s a one-way trip.

- terry

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Ok I get you about muzzles.. I don't know anything about them ie different types and when or why they are used. When I suggested a soft muzzle I meant something that wasn't going to hurt the poor dogs face or stop her being able to drink and pant properly. Personally I am against them and think they should be banned but then certain dogs have be muzzled when out in public by law
I just thought it an idea that some sort of soft muzzle which could prevent the dog from chewing up things she shouldn't even be able to get her teeth into may be a deterrent as long as the owner is in the home.
I am with you regarding not punishing a puppy for doing something that is only natural to them but we all look at forms of punishment differently, I used the lemon trick on my daughter (she is now 40) when he went through a nasty stage of biting other children, it worked and she did the same when her own daughter started biting....
I would never put my dog in a cage/crate for being naughty no more than I would a child...back when I was a child if we were naughty we got a smack and I remember a rolled up newspaper was used, tapping the pup on the nose if it was naughty...I take it that is now looked upon as animal cruelty...as smacking a child is now called child abuse...I was a child protection officer with the Met Police for 35 years but still think that a smack never did a naughty child any harm but it is now frowned upon.
A puppy is like a child and I think most of the time should be treated in the same way. Luckily we all have our own opinions.

 

[JudyN]

Personally I am against them and think they should be banned

Soft muzzles, or muzzles in general? If muzzles were banned my boy would probably have been euthanased by now, as opposed to being 100% happy to have his muzzle put on and loving his walks. Training alone simply couldn't have made him safe. Lord knows I tried...

 

[JoanneF]

I think smacking children and dogs is now frowned upon because studies have shown in children that there are more effective ways of achieving a desired result and that has been projected to behaviour in other animals too. But particularly a tap (however gentle) on a dog's snout/nose can be pretty harmful. The nose is one of the most sensitive and important organs in your dog's body so it becomes a more serious issue than a slap on the hand or bottom would be for a human.

 

[merlina]

Absolutely!

 

[Barnyboy]

Soft muzzles, or muzzles in general? If muzzles were banned my boy would probably have been euthanased by now, as opposed to being 100% happy to have his muzzle put on and loving his walks. Training alone simply couldn't have made him safe. Lord knows I tried...

No I was wrong in saying muzzles should be banned, and although I am personally against them I'm sure they have their uses. I'm lucky in that my boy even though a cocker spaniel doesn't even like to chase a ball.....I am so pleased the muzzle worked for your boy, is he a chaser? Some breeds just want to chase anything and everything and as you so rightly said no amount of training will stop that although some people on here will argue that the right training can cure anything....wrong.

 

[Barnyboy]

I think smacking children and dogs is now frowned upon because studies have shown in children that there are more effective ways of achieving a desired result and that has been projected to behaviour in other animals too. But particularly a tap (however gentle) on a dog's snout/nose can be pretty harmful. The nose is one of the most sensitive and important organs in your dog's body so it becomes a more serious issue than a slap on the hand or bottom would be for a human.

That just show's how things have changed over the years, the newspaper was used by nearly every puppy owner I knew back in my young days the same as a child got a smacked bottom when naughty and it didn't do either any harm.

 

[JudyN]

I am so pleased the muzzle worked for your boy, is he a chaser?

Of deer and rabbits, yes. In his prime he'd have been able to catch and bring down a deer, and rabbits would be easy peasy. But he also flips from loving pooch to Cujo if something goes wrong - say, someone tries to hold him by his collar, or he raided a picnic and they tried to get their sandwich back, or a child rushed up squealing and tried to cuddle him, or he was eating a cow poo and someone 'helpfully' tried to push him away. He's a lot better than he used to be, believe me - when he was just a few months old he'd go for me if I just looked at him when he had a stolen sock (now he will bring me any socks or hankies left lying about without being asked, after a lot of training).

We hardly ever have 'incidents' now as we know how to manage him, but it would be irresponsible to let him off lead around people without his muzzle, just in case. He loves his walks, and the only reasons he'd prefer to go muzzleless are that he'd be able to eat more grass, cowpoos and discarded takeaways, rub his head lovingly against his favourite people (he has to rub extra-hard with the muzzle on which can be a shock as he tends to aim for the groin!), steal other dogs' balls more easily... and have a better chance against the rabbits & deer!

He is a bit 'special needs', but there are a lot of dogs who need muzzles, e.g. ones that get too rough in play (lurchers often nip over the back of the neck in play), or ones who aren't keen on other dogs, or ones who eat crud and fall ill... A dog can be as accepting of a well-fitting well-designed muzzle as they are of a collar and lead. A ban would be a tragedy for these dogs.

 

[Kara 1]

My 3 lurchers wouldn't be able to have their offlead 90 min run every morning without their muzzles because of the deer...
Properly fitted muzzles are a great tool ...i often said if every dog wore a muzzle whilst offlead there would be less problems

 

[Barnyboy]

A shipping crate!! OMG, you may consider it safe , but what a PRISON!!
Don't have a dog if you have to "Prison" it like this every day

I agree with that 100%....there are obviously lots of people think they are a marvellous idea but would they put their child in one I wonder.

My 3 lurchers wouldn't be able to have their offlead 90 min run every morning without their muzzles because of the deer...
Properly fitted muzzles are a great tool ...i often said if every dog wore a muzzle whilst offlead there would be less problems

My 3 lurchers wouldn't be able to have their offlead 90 min run every morning without their muzzles because of the deer...
Properly fitted muzzles are a great tool ...i often said if every dog wore a muzzle whilst offlead there would be less problems

If a dog needs to wear a muzzle for safety reason or it's own good then that's good all round but to muzzle all dogs I'm not in favour of, I certainly wouldn't muzzle mine just for the sake of it...he doesn't need one.

 

[leashedForLife]

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@Barnyboy & other puppy-owners, re chewing -
deterrents can be used to help prevent destructive chewing, such as Bitter Apple spray, Absorbine, Jr, in a dauber bottle, etc; then, THE OBJECT tastes nasty.

That is very, very different from my loved & trusted owner grabbing me, while I am happily gnawing on something, & shoving a horrible tasting hunk of citrus into my mouth, to rub it on my teeth & gums.
Do U see the difference? - in the first instance, as the puppy, I put MY MOuth or MY TONGUE on an object, to chew or carry it, & it tastes bad; in the 2nd instance, the object I am ** already chewing ** tastes just fine - but MY OWNER abruptly holds me, in order to shove a bad tasting thing into my mouth.

In the one event, I am “punished” by the environment; no human is involved, no person startles me; in the other, someone I previously trusted, a caregiver who fed me, a companion & playmate, a trusted provider, MANIPULATES MY BODY & MOUTH *in order* to punish me... to do something to me that is uncomfortable, unpleasant, scary, or to apply something that feels / tastes / smells bad to me.

Having one’s mouth forced open, to put nasty tasting stuff into it? —
How do U think a pup or dog who has that done to them, not once but several or even many times, will react when the vet later wants to do an oral exam, or to remove a splinter from her / his gums? —- I would predict not very well.
How will s/he react when U, as owner, later want to begin brushing their teeth?

I definitely know, even without being told, @Barnyboy , that U held onto him somehow, in order to manage “rubbing his teeth & gums with a lemon wedge” —- he didn’t obligingly open his mouth & SIT THERE, jaws agape, while U pushed bitter rind & tart lemon pulp into his mouth!
What did U hold onto? - collar, scruff of neck, a body harness?

That means his collar, or his scruff, or his harness, are now tainted by that memory, & if say a stranger tried to catch him up when he bolted out the door, one day, & reached for that tainted collar, what will happen?
He might snap; he will certainly evade capture & flee, & the next Good Samaritan won’t get within 10-ft of him... he’ll wise-up fast, & stay well out of arm’s reach of anyone who wants to catch him, & very likely, that would include YOU.

Groomers, petsitters, dogwalkers, vets, & other pet pros do not appreciate dogs who need to be hog-tied for simple procedures, or knocked out cold by sedation, before they can be handled. :—/


TRUST is essential for a pet’s happy future; dogs who act up & thrash at the vet’s are not good patients, & their struggles make accurate diagnoses difficult. How the he** does the vet listen to a possibly congested lung, or for an irregular heartbeat, when a dog is growling with deep intensity, & is being restrained by 2 or 3 tense techs and assistants?

It is much, much easier & safer to prevent chewing than to stop it in progress, let alone punish it (which I heartily recommend against!).
Prevention involves policing the floor, the kitchen counters, etc, & putting trash cans behind doors, or outside, or using a can the dog cannot get into nor knock over. // The children’s toys, hubby’s tools, & any home projects, are all behind doors, in drawers, in tubs, on high shelves, or otherwise squared away & inaccessible. ANYTHING on the floor or on a low shelf should be impervious to dog teeth; just assume it will be sampled if it’s not concrete, steel, or is tooth-permeable.

I taught my Akita that anything ON A SHELF, however low, was mine - anything ON THE FLOOR was fair game. // She also was not home alone & not crated until she was over 10-MO; when I left for work, she was crated till I got home, & at 10-mos, she was confined to my bedroom, with her crate ajar for access, and ex-pen panels kept her away from the windows & OFF my twin bed.
As a result, she never trashed anything of mine in her life. She was never scolded, & I was never angry or upset over something irreplaceable to me.

Just as I try very hard never to quick a dog’s or pup’s claws while trimming, I would try never to deliberately mishandle any dog (or other animals) & leave them with bad memories of human hands.
Yes, sometimes bad experiences are unavoidable, BUT hopefully when those rare times come along, U have already preemptively made many, many happy associations for that animal, so that all the past good memories will dilute or even entirely wash away the new bad event.

- terry

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[Barnyboy]

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@Barnyboy & other puppy-owners, re chewing -
deterrents can be used to help prevent destructive chewing, such as Bitter Apple spray, Absorbine, Jr, in a dauber bottle, etc; then, THE OBJECT tastes nasty.

That is very, very different from my loved & trusted owner grabbing me, while I am happily gnawing on something, & shoving a horrible tasting hunk of citrus into my mouth, to rub it on my teeth & gums.
Do U see the difference? - in the first instance, as the puppy, I put MY MOuth or MY TONGUE on an object, to chew or carry it, & it tastes bad; in the 2nd instance, the object I am ** already chewing ** tastes just fine - but MY OWNER abruptly holds me, in order to shove a bad tasting thing into my mouth.

In the one event, I am “punished” by the environment; no human is involved, no person startles me; in the other, someone I previously trusted, a caregiver who fed me, a companion & playmate, a trusted provider, MANIPULATES MY BODY & MOUTH *in order* to punish me... to do something to me that is uncomfortable, unpleasant, scary, or to apply something that feels / tastes / smells bad to me.

Having one’s mouth forced open, to put nasty tasting stuff into it? —
How do U think a pup or dog who has that done to them, not once but several or even many times, will react when the vet later wants to do an oral exam, or to remove a splinter from her / his gums? —- I would predict not very well.
How will s/he react when U, as owner, later want to begin brushing their teeth?

I definitely know, even without being told, @Barnyboy , that U held onto him somehow, in order to manage “rubbing his teeth & gums with a lemon wedge” —- he didn’t obligingly open his mouth & SIT THERE, jaws agape, while U pushed bitter rind & tart lemon pulp into his mouth!
What did U hold onto? - collar, scruff of neck, a body harness?

That means his collar, or his scruff, or his harness, are now tainted by that memory, & if say a stranger tried to catch him up when he bolted out the door, one day, & reached for that tainted collar, what will happen?
He might snap; he will certainly evade capture & flee, & the next Good Samaritan won’t get within 10-ft of him... he’ll wise-up fast, & stay well out of arm’s reach of anyone who wants to catch him, & very likely, that would include YOU.

Groomers, petsitters, dogwalkers, vets, & other pet pros do not appreciate dogs who need to be hog-tied for simple procedures, or knocked out cold by sedation, before they can be handled. :—/


TRUST is essential for a pet’s happy future; dogs who act up & thrash at the vet’s are not good patients, & their struggles make accurate diagnoses difficult. How the he** does the vet listen to a possibly congested lung, or for an irregular heartbeat, when a dog is growling with deep intensity, & is being restrained by 2 or 3 tense techs and assistants?

It is much, much easier & safer to prevent chewing than to stop it in progress, let alone punish it (which I heartily recommend against!).
Prevention involves policing the floor, the kitchen counters, etc, & putting trash cans behind doors, or outside, or using a can the dog cannot get into nor knock over. // The children’s toys, hubby’s tools, & any home projects, are all behind doors, in drawers, in tubs, on high shelves, or otherwise squared away & inaccessible. ANYTHING on the floor or on a low shelf should be impervious to dog teeth; just assume it will be sampled if it’s not concrete, steel, or is tooth-permeable.

I taught my Akita that anything ON A SHELF, however low, was mine - anything ON THE FLOOR was fair game. // She also was not home alone & not crated until she was over 10-MO; when I left for work, she was crated till I got home, & at 10-mos, she was confined to my bedroom, with her crate ajar for access, and ex-pen panels kept her away from the windows & OFF my twin bed.
As a result, she never trashed anything of mine in her life. She was never scolded, & I was never angry or upset over something irreplaceable to me.

Just as I try very hard never to quick a dog’s or pup’s claws while trimming, I would try never to deliberately mishandle any dog (or other animals) & leave them with bad memories of human hands.
Yes, sometimes bad experiences are unavoidable, BUT hopefully when those rare times come along, U have already preemptively made many, many happy associations for that animal, so that all the past good memories will dilute or even entirely wash away the new bad event.

- terry

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@Barnyboy & other puppy-owners, re chewing -
deterrents can be used to help prevent destructive chewing, such as Bitter Apple spray, Absorbine, Jr, in a dauber bottle, etc; then, THE OBJECT tastes nasty.

That is very, very different from my loved & trusted owner grabbing me, while I am happily gnawing on something, & shoving a horrible tasting hunk of citrus into my mouth, to rub it on my teeth & gums.
Do U see the difference? - in the first instance, as the puppy, I put MY MOuth or MY TONGUE on an object, to chew or carry it, & it tastes bad; in the 2nd instance, the object I am ** already chewing ** tastes just fine - but MY OWNER abruptly holds me, in order to shove a bad tasting thing into my mouth.

In the one event, I am “punished” by the environment; no human is involved, no person startles me; in the other, someone I previously trusted, a caregiver who fed me, a companion & playmate, a trusted provider, MANIPULATES MY BODY & MOUTH *in order* to punish me... to do something to me that is uncomfortable, unpleasant, scary, or to apply something that feels / tastes / smells bad to me.

Having one’s mouth forced open, to put nasty tasting stuff into it? —
How do U think a pup or dog who has that done to them, not once but several or even many times, will react when the vet later wants to do an oral exam, or to remove a splinter from her / his gums? —- I would predict not very well.
How will s/he react when U, as owner, later want to begin brushing their teeth?

I definitely know, even without being told, @Barnyboy , that U held onto him somehow, in order to manage “rubbing his teeth & gums with a lemon wedge” —- he didn’t obligingly open his mouth & SIT THERE, jaws agape, while U pushed bitter rind & tart lemon pulp into his mouth!
What did U hold onto? - collar, scruff of neck, a body harness?

That means his collar, or his scruff, or his harness, are now tainted by that memory, & if say a stranger tried to catch him up when he bolted out the door, one day, & reached for that tainted collar, what will happen?
He might snap; he will certainly evade capture & flee, & the next Good Samaritan won’t get within 10-ft of him... he’ll wise-up fast, & stay well out of arm’s reach of anyone who wants to catch him, & very likely, that would include YOU.

Groomers, petsitters, dogwalkers, vets, & other pet pros do not appreciate dogs who need to be hog-tied for simple procedures, or knocked out cold by sedation, before they can be handled. :—/


TRUST is essential for a pet’s happy future; dogs who act up & thrash at the vet’s are not good patients, & their struggles make accurate diagnoses difficult. How the he** does the vet listen to a possibly congested lung, or for an irregular heartbeat, when a dog is growling with deep intensity, & is being restrained by 2 or 3 tense techs and assistants?

It is much, much easier & safer to prevent chewing than to stop it in progress, let alone punish it (which I heartily recommend against!).
Prevention involves policing the floor, the kitchen counters, etc, & putting trash cans behind doors, or outside, or using a can the dog cannot get into nor knock over. // The children’s toys, hubby’s tools, & any home projects, are all behind doors, in drawers, in tubs, on high shelves, or otherwise squared away & inaccessible. ANYTHING on the floor or on a low shelf should be impervious to dog teeth; just assume it will be sampled if it’s not concrete, steel, or is tooth-permeable.

I taught my Akita that anything ON A SHELF, however low, was mine - anything ON THE FLOOR was fair game. // She also was not home alone & not crated until she was over 10-MO; when I left for work, she was crated till I got home, & at 10-mos, she was confined to my bedroom, with her crate ajar for access, and ex-pen panels kept her away from the windows & OFF my twin bed.
As a result, she never trashed anything of mine in her life. She was never scolded, & I was never angry or upset over something irreplaceable to me.

Just as I try very hard never to quick a dog’s or pup’s claws while trimming, I would try never to deliberately mishandle any dog (or other animals) & leave them with bad memories of human hands.
Yes, sometimes bad experiences are unavoidable, BUT hopefully when those rare times come along, U have already preemptively made many, many happy associations for that animal, so that all the past good memories will dilute or even entirely wash away the new bad event.

- terry

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[Barnyboy]

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@Barnyboy & other puppy-owners, re chewing -
deterrents can be used to help prevent destructive chewing, such as Bitter Apple spray, Absorbine, Jr, in a dauber bottle, etc; then, THE OBJECT tastes nasty.

That is very, very different from my loved & trusted owner grabbing me, while I am happily gnawing on something, & shoving a horrible tasting hunk of citrus into my mouth, to rub it on my teeth & gums.
Do U see the difference? - in the first instance, as the puppy, I put MY MOuth or MY TONGUE on an object, to chew or carry it, & it tastes bad; in the 2nd instance, the object I am ** already chewing ** tastes just fine - but MY OWNER abruptly holds me, in order to shove a bad tasting thing into my mouth.

In the one event, I am “punished” by the environment; no human is involved, no person startles me; in the other, someone I previously trusted, a caregiver who fed me, a companion & playmate, a trusted provider, MANIPULATES MY BODY & MOUTH *in order* to punish me... to do something to me that is uncomfortable, unpleasant, scary, or to apply something that feels / tastes / smells bad to me.

Having one’s mouth forced open, to put nasty tasting stuff into it? —
How do U think a pup or dog who has that done to them, not once but several or even many times, will react when the vet later wants to do an oral exam, or to remove a splinter from her / his gums? —- I would predict not very well.
How will s/he react when U, as owner, later want to begin brushing their teeth?

I definitely know, even without being told, @Barnyboy , that U held onto him somehow, in order to manage “rubbing his teeth & gums with a lemon wedge” —- he didn’t obligingly open his mouth & SIT THERE, jaws agape, while U pushed bitter rind & tart lemon pulp into his mouth!
What did U hold onto? - collar, scruff of neck, a body harness?

That means his collar, or his scruff, or his harness, are now tainted by that memory, & if say a stranger tried to catch him up when he bolted out the door, one day, & reached for that tainted collar, what will happen?
He might snap; he will certainly evade capture & flee, & the next Good Samaritan won’t get within 10-ft of him... he’ll wise-up fast, & stay well out of arm’s reach of anyone who wants to catch him, & very likely, that would include YOU.

Groomers, petsitters, dogwalkers, vets, & other pet pros do not appreciate dogs who need to be hog-tied for simple procedures, or knocked out cold by sedation, before they can be handled. :—/


TRUST is essential for a pet’s happy future; dogs who act up & thrash at the vet’s are not good patients, & their struggles make accurate diagnoses difficult. How the he** does the vet listen to a possibly congested lung, or for an irregular heartbeat, when a dog is growling with deep intensity, & is being restrained by 2 or 3 tense techs and assistants?

It is much, much easier & safer to prevent chewing than to stop it in progress, let alone punish it (which I heartily recommend against!).
Prevention involves policing the floor, the kitchen counters, etc, & putting trash cans behind doors, or outside, or using a can the dog cannot get into nor knock over. // The children’s toys, hubby’s tools, & any home projects, are all behind doors, in drawers, in tubs, on high shelves, or otherwise squared away & inaccessible. ANYTHING on the floor or on a low shelf should be impervious to dog teeth; just assume it will be sampled if it’s not concrete, steel, or is tooth-permeable.

I taught my Akita that anything ON A SHELF, however low, was mine - anything ON THE FLOOR was fair game. // She also was not home alone & not crated until she was over 10-MO; when I left for work, she was crated till I got home, & at 10-mos, she was confined to my bedroom, with her crate ajar for access, and ex-pen panels kept her away from the windows & OFF my twin bed.
As a result, she never trashed anything of mine in her life. She was never scolded, & I was never angry or upset over something irreplaceable to me.

Just as I try very hard never to quick a dog’s or pup’s claws while trimming, I would try never to deliberately mishandle any dog (or other animals) & leave them with bad memories of human hands.
Yes, sometimes bad experiences are unavoidable, BUT hopefully when those rare times come along, U have already preemptively made many, many happy associations for that animal, so that all the past good memories will dilute or even entirely wash away the new bad event.

- terry

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Blimey talk about go on.....NEVER EVER have I or would I grab hold of my dog, prise open his mouth and force anything into it. What I did was dab his mouth which was at the time chewing something he shouldn't be chewing and it isn't something I did over a long period of time (about 2 days) because he soon realised that chewing things other than his own chewy toys kongs ect was not tasty. I use a toothbrush and doggy toothpaste to clean my dogs teeth is that wrong too because it means I'm putting something in his mouth????? I have never done anything to harm my dog and never would...He is a very happy well trained and behaved dog that I can take anywhere without having to worry about him doing anything he shouldn't so my way of doing things have worked perfectly well with no consequences.

 

[excuseme]

@Barnyboy
I don't think you need to answer for yourself in reply to such stupid posts. Some people just don't want to listen or read others posts correctly.

 

[leashedForLife]

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Whoops! - sorry, @Barnyboy , I did not know U had successfully slipped up on the unsuspecting pup, & gotten the lemon wedge in his mouth *without* needing to restrain him. Nor did U say it was done over such a short time / in very few repetitions.

I have had many clients who did precisely as I described, holding their pup by the collar, scruff, or harness, prising the pup’s mouth open, & putting some nasty tasting stuff into their open mouth- such as Bitter Apple spray, squirting it into the pup’s open mouth rather than, as per directions, put the spray ON the objects/s.
Then they wonder, later, why their puppy can’t be examined orally by the vet, won’t let anyone touch their collar, snaps when their head or scruff is touched, etc.

I apologize. Having encountered it many times before, that’s what I envisioned.

Nonetheless, even tho Ur pup got over it, forgave U, & wasn’t traumatized, I can’t recommend that anyone try to use that method. Punishment generally results in unwanted side effects, & U often don’t know what they will be, until they crop up.
Fixing those side effects often takes much longer than preventing (rather than punishing) the original unwanted behavior would take.

Sorry for misunderstanding,
- terry

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[Barnyboy]

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Whoops! - sorry, @Barnyboy , I did not know U had successfully slipped up on the unsuspecting pup, & gotten the lemon wedge in his mouth *without* needing to restrain him. Nor did U say it was done over such a short time / in very few repetitions.

I have had many clients who did precisely as I described, holding their pup by the collar, scruff, or harness, prising the pup’s mouth open, & putting some nasty tasting stuff into their open mouth- such as Bitter Apple spray, squirting it into the pup’s open mouth rather than, as per directions, put the spray ON the objects/s.
Then they wonder, later, why their puppy can’t be examined orally by the vet, won’t let anyone touch their collar, snaps when their head or scruff is touched, etc.

I apologize. Having encountered it many times before, that’s what I envisioned.

Nonetheless, even tho Ur pup got over it, forgave U, & wasn’t traumatized, I can’t recommend that anyone try to use that method. Punishment generally results in unwanted side effects, & U often don’t know what they will be, until they crop up.
Fixing those side effects often takes much longer than preventing (rather than punishing) the original unwanted behavior would take.

Sorry for misunderstanding,
- terry

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[Jack-Russell-Lover]

I would never put my dog in a cage/crate for being naughty no more than I would a child...back when I was a child if we were naughty we got a smack and I remember a rolled up newspaper was used, tapping the pup on the nose if it was naughty...I take it that is now looked upon as animal cruelty...as smacking a child is now called child abuse...I was a child protection officer with the Met Police for 35 years but still think that a smack never did a naughty child any harm but it is now frowned upon.
A puppy is like a child and I think most of the time should be treated in the same way. Luckily we all have our own opinions.

I don't know about anyone else but I wasn't suggesting using a crate as a punishment, I suggested using it as a way to control what the puppy has access to and making it a nice place for the dog so that she does not see it as punishment, giving her special food whilst in there. I'm sure everyone else that suggested crates also meant it in this way.

How are things now @Leekypop?

 

[Nanny71]

Dudley has never been crated, he also never chewed anything he shouldn't. He does chew his toys and he has always had an antler to chew on. However he was six months old when he came to live with me. My grandaughter who had him from eight weeks in a small flat, said he never chewed anything in the flat either. Maybe we were just lucky.
He is quite honestly almost perfect. I say almost because he does sometimes bark at dogs he doesn't know when he is out on his lead.