Wants To Breed Her 13 Month Old Whippet

[Karen]

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I like to have a first litter quite young, 18 months onward perhaps, depending on the time of year, these bitches make good mums and bounce back really quickly.

If they were feral Im sure they wouldnt wait until they were over two but then again they probably hav'nt read the books, brainless idiots :- "

 

[unwanted]

THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM FERAL DOGS AS WE HAVE DEMESTICATED THEM AND MOALED THEM TO WOT WE HAVE TODAY,AND STILL ARE DOING,AND LIKE I SAID MONEY MAKING MACHINES.SO U SAYING A BITCH IS FULLY MATURE AT 18 MONTHS WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL,SO TELL ME THIS WHY DO ALOT OF WHIPPETS ACT LIKE PUPS AT 13-2YRS OLD WOULD U SAY THEY MATURE.GET BACK IN YE BOX LADY.NOW THATS BRAINLESS

 

[Seraphina]

THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM FERAL DOGS AS WE HAVE DEMESTICATED THEM AND MOALED THEM TO WOT WE HAVE TODAY,AND STILL ARE DOING,AND LIKE I SAID MONEY MAKING MACHINES.SO U SAYING A BITCH IS FULLY MATURE AT 18 MONTHS WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL,SO TELL ME THIS WHY DO ALOT OF WHIPPETS ACT LIKE PUPS AT 13-2YRS OLD  WOULD U SAY THEY MATURE.GET BACK IN YE BOX LADY.NOW THATS BRAINLESS

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18 months -2 years old bitch is not comparable to 12 years old child. And yes their bodies will be still changing between 2 and 3, if you read my post i did explained that. That is exactly my point, amply suppported by medical evidence. Just because you did not have "problem" does not mean that your bitch did not have a harder time giving birth than she would have if she had her first litter earlier. To suggest that a person having a litter before she is 2 does it for money, while person who breeds after 2 does not is just simply ridiculous. Some people have just one litter from their bitch while she is young and never have another. Others breed from 2 years of age every second season, ending up with 5 or even 6 litters from her in her lifetime and that is OK by you???

As far as dog books go, anybody can publish a book and anybody does, we should be careful not to take what we read in books as unshakable truth.

 

[wild whippies]

I think that young animals be it dogs or humans recover from pregnancy easier from a physical aspect, you only have to see how teenage girls get their figures back straight away compared to a more mature mother.

However my own personal opinion is that teenage girls and young dogs should be mentally mature before they enter motherhood.

I don't think anyone can really substantiate a claim that younger dogs have less problems as pregnancies are individual and there are too many variables that need to be considered. Not only that but mature bitches who've had previous litters usually have less problems too (possible because their bodies have failed to recover as efficiently as a younger bitch?)

Usually humans spend a quarter of their life as a youth enjoying the new experiences life brings, I don't think it's unreasonable for a dog to have the same opportunity. After all they don't have the disease / prey / food shortages that a wild dog encounters.

My bitch was on the cusp of turning 5 when she gave birth to 9 pups with no complications and this was her maiden litter.

 

[unwanted]

I WOULD ONLY BREED OF ANY BITCH TWICE,MOST OF THE TIME ONCE,AND AS FAR AS FERREL DOGS ARE CONCERNED HAVE THEY GO A CHOICE WHEN THEY BREED DO NOT THINK SO

 

[Millie]

anyone that lines a bitch before they 2 years old do not think much of there bitch or they have no f--king brain in there heads

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Actually it is you who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Any female has the least potential for problems if she has her first baby/litter early in her reproductive life. The odds gradually worsen from then on. That does not mean that 18 months old bitch will always just spit her pups out, nor that 6 years old having 1st litter will always have complications. It is just statistics. I just wonder how people always fly into rage when 18 months old having litter is mentioned, while nobody gets upset that 4 years old is having her first litter. But older the bitch having her first litter is, more chance she may need Caesarian.

Main reason is that the pelvis starts quite flexible and gradually calcifies. If the female gives birth before this occurs subsequent labour is also easier. In human doctors talk of "elderly" prima gravida when woman is over 30. Ask any obstetrician what is better to have first baby in your teens or thirties; he will not have to think a second. Of course, humans have other things to consider before they have children.

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KEEP READING YE BOOKS.IF U THINK LINING A BITCH BEFORE 2 IS RITE U WANT YE HEAD READ.ITS STILL MATURING UP TILL TWO YEARS OLD.AND AS FAR AS I DO NOT KNOW WOT IM TALIKING ABOUT IV HAD A FEW LITTER OF A FEW BREEDS NEVER LINE A BITCH UNDER TO AND NEVER HAD ANY COMPLICATION SO WORK THAT ONE OUT.LOOK IT UP IN YE BOOK

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I have had 15 litters over 18 yrs of breeding, (only breeding when I wanted a pup myself. ) Most of my bitches have only one litter and usually between the age of 18mths to 2yrs. Only ONE of these bitches ended up having a C-section she was almost 3 ! Yes I could write a book on all the problems I have come across, Swimmers, clefts, deformed, fading puppy, the list go on ........ But !! all but the one mentioned have had normal easy whelpings !

I was 16 myself when I had my first child, very very easily ! the other 3 followed two years apart and all were easy births :thumbsup:

 

[whippetmad]

anyone that lines a bitch before they 2 years old do not think much of there bitch or they have no f--king brain in there heads

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Actually it is you who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Any female has the least potential for problems if she has her first baby/litter early in her reproductive life. The odds gradually worsen from then on. That does not mean that 18 months old bitch will always just spit her pups out, nor that 6 years old having 1st litter will always have complications. It is just statistics. I just wonder how people always fly into rage when 18 months old having litter is mentioned, while nobody gets upset that 4 years old is having her first litter. But older the bitch having her first litter is, more chance she may need Caesarian.

Main reason is that the pelvis starts quite flexible and gradually calcifies. If the female gives birth before this occurs subsequent labour is also easier. In human doctors talk of "elderly" prima gravida when woman is over 30. Ask any obstetrician what is better to have first baby in your teens or thirties; he will not have to think a second. Of course, humans have other things to consider before they have children.

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KEEP READING YE BOOKS.IF U THINK LINING A BITCH BEFORE 2 IS RITE U WANT YE HEAD READ.ITS STILL MATURING UP TILL TWO YEARS OLD.AND AS FAR AS I DO NOT KNOW WOT IM TALIKING ABOUT IV HAD A FEW LITTER OF A FEW BREEDS NEVER LINE A BITCH UNDER TO AND NEVER HAD ANY COMPLICATION SO WORK THAT ONE OUT.LOOK IT UP IN YE BOOK

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I have had 15 litters over 18 yrs of breeding, (only breeding when I wanted a pup myself. ) Most of my bitches have only one litter and usually between the age of 18mths to 2yrs. Only ONE of these bitches ended up having a C-section she was almost 3 ! Yes I could write a book on all the problems I have come across, Swimmers, clefts, deformed, fading puppy, the list go on ........ But !! all but the one mentioned have had normal easy whelpings !

I was 16 myself when I had my first child, very very easily ! the other 3 followed two years apart and all were easy births :thumbsup:

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are you a Gran yet then Millie?if so a very young glamous Gran :- "

 

[Karen]

THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM FERAL DOGS AS WE HAVE DEMESTICATED THEM AND MOALED THEM TO WOT WE HAVE TODAY,AND STILL ARE DOING,AND LIKE I SAID MONEY MAKING MACHINES.SO U SAYING A BITCH IS FULLY MATURE AT 18 MONTHS WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL,SO TELL ME THIS WHY DO ALOT OF WHIPPETS ACT LIKE PUPS AT 13-2YRS OLD  WOULD U SAY THEY MATURE.GET BACK IN YE BOX LADY.NOW THATS BRAINLESS

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We have not come any way from feral dogs there are plenty of feral dog packs all over the world. If one of your young dogs ran away from home she would not wait until she was over two to have a litter. And chances are she would be absolutly fine.

I have a 6 year old who is still very puppy like, BUT she is mature in body.

Please try to think what you are saying before you just rush in all aggresive. Most of us on here have our own opinions without feeling the need to be rude about what others think. Really it just makes you come across as a bit simple and Im sure your not. Im sure you feel as strongly about the breed as we do. I have never bred for money in my 30 years in Whippets we are talking about when it is reasonable to mate a bitch. Lastly as others have said, a book can be written by anyone and as such is THAT persons opinion.

 

[Millie]

anyone that lines a bitch before they 2 years old do not think much of there bitch or they have no f--king brain in there heads

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Actually it is you who has absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Any female has the least potential for problems if she has her first baby/litter early in her reproductive life. The odds gradually worsen from then on. That does not mean that 18 months old bitch will always just spit her pups out, nor that 6 years old having 1st litter will always have complications. It is just statistics. I just wonder how people always fly into rage when 18 months old having litter is mentioned, while nobody gets upset that 4 years old is having her first litter. But older the bitch having her first litter is, more chance she may need Caesarian.

Main reason is that the pelvis starts quite flexible and gradually calcifies. If the female gives birth before this occurs subsequent labour is also easier. In human doctors talk of "elderly" prima gravida when woman is over 30. Ask any obstetrician what is better to have first baby in your teens or thirties; he will not have to think a second. Of course, humans have other things to consider before they have children.

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KEEP READING YE BOOKS.IF U THINK LINING A BITCH BEFORE 2 IS RITE U WANT YE HEAD READ.ITS STILL MATURING UP TILL TWO YEARS OLD.AND AS FAR AS I DO NOT KNOW WOT IM TALIKING ABOUT IV HAD A FEW LITTER OF A FEW BREEDS NEVER LINE A BITCH UNDER TO AND NEVER HAD ANY COMPLICATION SO WORK THAT ONE OUT.LOOK IT UP IN YE BOOK

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I have had 15 litters over 18 yrs of breeding, (only breeding when I wanted a pup myself. ) Most of my bitches have only one litter and usually between the age of 18mths to 2yrs. Only ONE of these bitches ended up having a C-section she was almost 3 ! Yes I could write a book on all the problems I have come across, Swimmers, clefts, deformed, fading puppy, the list go on ........ But !! all but the one mentioned have had normal easy whelpings !

I was 16 myself when I had my first child, very very easily ! the other 3 followed two years apart and all were easy births :thumbsup:

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are you a Gran yet then Millie?if so a very young glamous Gran :- "

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Cheers :b :lol: Oh Yes :thumbsup: I have two grandchildren :wub:

Here is a pic of the two cousins .........

 

[unwanted]

THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM FERAL DOGS AS WE HAVE DEMESTICATED THEM AND MOALED THEM TO WOT WE HAVE TODAY,AND STILL ARE DOING,AND LIKE I SAID MONEY MAKING MACHINES.SO U SAYING A BITCH IS FULLY MATURE AT 18 MONTHS WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL,SO TELL ME THIS WHY DO ALOT OF WHIPPETS ACT LIKE PUPS AT 13-2YRS OLD  WOULD U SAY THEY MATURE.GET BACK IN YE BOX LADY.NOW THATS BRAINLESS

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We have not come any way from feral dogs there are plenty of feral dog packs all over the world. If one of your young dogs ran away from home she would not wait until she was over two to have a litter. And chances are she would be absolutly fine.

I have a 6 year old who is still very puppy like, BUT she is mature in body.

Please try to think what you are saying before you just rush in all aggresive. Most of us on here have our own opinions without feeling the need to be rude about what others think. Really it just makes you come across as a bit simple and Im sure your not. Im sure you feel as strongly about the breed as we do. I have never bred for money in my 30 years in Whippets we are talking about when it is reasonable to mate a bitch. Lastly as others have said, a book can be written by anyone and as such is THAT persons opinion.

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i have been told not to get personal on here so u do the same ok

 

[unwanted]

THINK WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY FROM FERAL DOGS AS WE HAVE DEMESTICATED THEM AND MOALED THEM TO WOT WE HAVE TODAY,AND STILL ARE DOING,AND LIKE I SAID MONEY MAKING MACHINES.SO U SAYING A BITCH IS FULLY MATURE AT 18 MONTHS WELL THAT SAYS IT ALL,SO TELL ME THIS WHY DO ALOT OF WHIPPETS ACT LIKE PUPS AT 13-2YRS OLD  WOULD U SAY THEY MATURE.GET BACK IN YE BOX LADY.NOW THATS BRAINLESS

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We have not come any way from feral dogs there are plenty of feral dog packs all over the world. If one of your young dogs ran away from home she would not wait until she was over two to have a litter. And chances are she would be absolutly fine.

I have a 6 year old who is still very puppy like, BUT she is mature in body.

Please try to think what you are saying before you just rush in all aggresive. Most of us on here have our own opinions without feeling the need to be rude about what others think. Really it just makes you come across as a bit simple and Im sure your not. Im sure you feel as strongly about the breed as we do. I have never bred for money in my 30 years in Whippets we are talking about when it is reasonable to mate a bitch. Lastly as others have said, a book can be written by anyone and as such is THAT persons opinion.

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if i was unlucky to have a bitch get out and lined under 2 thats difo but when u have that choice i think its crazy to line one under that age and i also been into whippet 30yrs but non ped not peds not into them

 

[unwanted]

ALL PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IS THE £££££££££££££'S SIGNS :rant:   :rant:   13 MONTHS IS FAR TOO YOUNG,ONLY JUST COME OUT OF PUPPY (w00t)   (w00t) IT MAKES ME SO MAD WITH THESE PEOPLE :angry: AND NOT THINKING ABOUT THE BITCH AND PUPPIES.

I HAD SOMEONE WHO WANTED TO USED MY DOG AND SHE WAS NINE MONTHS (w00t)   (w00t)   :rant:   :rant:   I COULD NOT BELIEVE WHAT I WAS HEARING(HE IS A FARMER)SAY NO MORE!!!!!HE JUST DID'NT HAVE A CLUE,SO I CALMLY TOLD HIM WHAT AGE(2YRS PLUS) FROM,BUT YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A LITTER JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT :rant:   :rant: I DON'T THINK HE WAS HAPPY WITH WHAT I TOLD HIM,BUT TOUGH!!!!

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now this person thinks more of his /her dogs as well as others

 

[Macha]

I'd also go along with the suggestion that if you plan to breed a bitch it is a good idea to have a first litter when she is between 18-24 months. A further reason to have a litter fairly early is that this may give the bitch some protection against mammary cancer later in life.

 

[jools]

Purely a question, not having a go at anyone !!

What reason would the Breed Council have for stating that you shouldn't breed from a bitch until she was about 2?

I still wouldn't want to breed from my girls until they were 2ish, although Fern is fairly mature - and was at 2, Sky will be 2 next Feb. and is still a puppy !!

 

[Seraphina]

However my own personal opinion is that teenage girls and young dogs should be mentally mature before they enter motherhood.  Usually humans spend a quarter of their life as a youth enjoying the new experiences life brings, I don't think it's unreasonable for a dog to have the same opportunity

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We really cannot compare human and dogs in regards to mental maturity. To have a baby means lifelong commitment, and the mental maturity to bring the baby up. Bitch can have her pups and continue to play and have fun. OK she needs to feed them for few weeks, but then her life goes back to normal.

I don't think anyone can really substantiate a claim that younger dogs have less problems as pregnancies are individual and there are too many variables that need to be considered.

I am not arguing that, I am saying that bitch which is likely, for what ever reason, to have problems is going to have them worse if she has her first litter later rather than earlier. Young bitch with too big pup will have difficult delivery, but as her pelvis is still flexible, she has a better chance to get it out safely then if she was couple years older with her pelvis set.

I really cannot believe I even have to argue the point that older the mother when she is having first litter, more chance of problems arising.

The crucial point is to have first litter (baby) before the pelvis calcifies.

 

[kerry0378]

Well theres a bit of extra worry i couldve lived without. My bitch had her season at 18 months and i thought maybe she was a bit young then and as this is my first ever mating i wanted to make sure it was right so decided to leave her until after 2, now im not certain i did the right thing or not, although her season did catch me unawares as i expected every year, not every 9 month

 

[maggymills]

um bitches should have a season every 6months, you really need to that at least before you start breeding!

theres lots of books that have the basic info in, but you should seek advice from a good breeder...

 

[Seraphina]

Purely a question, not having a go at anyone !!
What reason would the Breed Council have for stating that you shouldn't breed  from a bitch until she was about 2?

I still wouldn't want to breed from my girls until they were 2ish, although Fern is fairly mature - and was at 2, Sky will be 2 next Feb. and is still a puppy !!

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In the past some people used to breed from the first season, every season. Which of course is not very good for the bitch or the breed as a whole, so various "Codes of Practice" have been written. The UK and OZ Kennel Control gives the limit as 12 months for all breeds, which I think is wise as small breeds mature much faster and there is no way I would want to wait till 2 if I was breeding any of the round headed dogs.

The Breed Councils rules no doubt come from the "not before 2nd season" rule, which was too ambiguous, and in sighthound and large breeds that comes to the "about 2 years".

When our club decided to have a "code of practice" I went through all the codes I could access on the Internet to get some ideas as to what would be a good idea to include. I have no doubt that is exactly what others do, so this “not to breed before 2” just got copied from one to another, and became the rule for most. Two is a nice round number, easy to remember, much better than say 20 months. :- " However, I have had many discussions with my vet friends about how the number of caesarians is escalating partially due to bitches being bred later.

I was expecting all women to be aware of the mechanics of giving birth, and the role of pelvis in some problems. I used to have book with picture of human pelvis with the “soft” points, and explanation how these get stretched during childbirth. And how this is easy for young woman and gets progressively more difficult with age as the cartilage calcifies. However, once stretched the subsequent births are easier.

Anyway we are splitting hairs here, the “Code of Conduct” I submitted to our club for approval has not to mate bitch before she is 18 months old.

 

[Seraphina]

um bitches should have a season every 6months, you really need to that at least before you start breeding!
theres lots of books that have the basic info in, but you should seek advice from a good breeder...

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Some small dogs may have season every 6 moths, but even my daughter's chihuahua was more like 7 months. Sighthounds and some large breeds are more likely to have seasons about every 9 months. My Whippets were so far 9-10 months, staring at about 14 months, until my Callista who had first season at 22months and the next in 8 months. My friend has a Whippet who has season every 12 months like a clockwork, she is 7 years old now.

 

[Seraphina]

Well theres a bit of extra worry i couldve lived without.  My bitch had her season at 18 months and i thought maybe she was a bit young then and as this is my first ever mating i wanted to make sure it was right so decided to leave her until after 2, now im not certain i did the right thing or not, although her season did catch me unawares as i expected every year, not every 9 month

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If you have a healthy fit bitch do not worry. I am not saying that it is cruel to breed bitch when she is 2 or 3 or even older. Just that the risks are gradually increasing older the bitch gets. As others already said many bitches whelped their 1st litters without the need for veterinary interference even as old as 6. I actaually know one who was 8, but that does not mean that it was OK.