Wc Limited Show

[Rob Rixon]

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Hi

I've received the Schudule for the WC's limited show, today.

In the new Special winners class the defination for the 'Lure Courses' is - Lure Coursing exhibits to have won a Best in Breed or Best in Field in the last two years.

Question - do Lure Coursing Events have a best in Breed or Best in Field - I thought they had just trophy or Stake winners. Am I right?

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

HiI've received the Schudule for the WC's limited show, today.

In the new Special winners class the defination for the 'Lure Courses' is - Lure Coursing exhibits to have won a Best in Breed or Best in Field in the last two years.

Question - do Lure Coursing Events have a best in Breed or Best in Field - I thought they had just trophy or Stake winners.  Am I right?

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You are :thumbsup:

Best in breed/field. I would need that to be explained?? Never heard of them.

 

[posh totty]

i would presume that these would mean under bsfa rules :thumbsup:

 

[Joanna]

Yes, those are the BSFA terms Rob. Out of interest, which other lure coursing clubs do the Whippet Club recognise?

 

[BeeJay]

Surely it's not fair if the other lure coursing clubs aren't recognised? If not it seems to me that the racing dogs have more chance to qualify. There are 9+ groups at the Champs (without the Veterans groups of which I can't work out how many there are at the moment) and 4 dogs can qualify from each group. Yet only a BOB (ie 1 dog) can qualify from the once a monthly BSFA meeting. How many meetings do they run each year? They don't run every month?

 

[Strike Whippets]

Doesn't really seem fair does it Barbara .... and in some cases the same Whippet often wins a few BOB and BIF in one season :unsure: .....I must get around to joining the WC as Ruby will be just over 6 months and Connie can fly the flag in the racing class .....We ought to all go just to show what proper Whippets look like ... I'm proud of my lot :wub:

 

[posh totty]

HiI've received the Schudule for the WC's limited show, today.

In the new Special winners class the defination for the 'Lure Courses' is - Lure Coursing exhibits to have won a Best in Breed or Best in Field in the last two years.

Question - do Lure Coursing Events have a best in Breed or Best in Field - I thought they had just trophy or Stake winners.  Am I right?

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ahhhhhhhhhh now that could mean that those are the winners only eligable for entry not a standard racing lure cousing class? is this an extra class to the special racing and coursing class? :thumbsup:

if so then yes unfair as there is no other lure coursing club winners entitled to enter

 

[Mark Roberts]

The BSFA are the only lure coursing club that is recocnised by the WC, although I believe they would be open to looking at entrys from other clubs as long as they were sent in with a letter from the club secretary to back up the entrants entry.

IMO best of breed or best in field is the whippet that wins the stake held just for whippets?.

 

[Happy Humber]

I think the qualification for the veteran class is a bit silly as well because the dog has to have won in the last 24 months.

Surely not many dogs of 7 pluss years would be likely to win at lure coursing while running against younger dogs?

 

[Strike Whippets]

I think the qualification for the veteran class is a bit silly as well because the dog has to have won in the last 24 months.Surely not many dogs of 7 pluss years would be likely to win at lure coursing while running against younger dogs?

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Its silly isn't it ....The last time I looked at the classes it said about the vet racing class that they had to have raced/won recently (I think that was probably 24 months), but surely if the dog has qualified through either its racing or lure coursing ability, they shouldn't have to re qualify every 2 years .....

 

[Rob Rixon]

I think the qualification for the veteran class is a bit silly as well because the dog has to have won in the last 24 months.Surely not many dogs of 7 pluss years would be likely to win at lure coursing while running against younger dogs?

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Are there lure coursing events just for veterans?

There are races.

I'm not sure what the thinking is behind these class definition. Surely once a dog is a racer or lure courser its always a racer or lure courer. Otherwise the older dogs (who have now retired) will never be able to show in these classes! Our Millie has both coursed (multiple stake winner) and raced (WCRA Champs final runner-up and Open group & Supreme winner) but due to her retirement not in the last 3 years - so she cannot be entered - according to the definitions.

 

[Happy Humber]

My dog has a best of breed at the BSFA but he is now 8 and has not run for 3 years as he had gracillius injury so he cannot enter

 

[Strike Whippets]

I think that the wc should at least try to accommodate other types of Whippets other than just show dogs ..... but really I'm sure racers, working types etc ... are just an after thought .....If you look most of the time the racing and lure coursing classes are won by show bred Whippets .....Now does this mean that our racers, workers are that far away from the breed standard ?? ....or does it mean these classes are just judged on looks and not out and out ability .... In that case these classes seem pointless :- " ....as for the vets and qualifiers these are just stupid ... :wacko:

 

[Mark Roberts]

or does it mean these classes are just judged on looks and not out and out ability

How do you asses ability watching a dog walk around the ring?, you can say that a certain dog looks like it could do a days work but in fact that dog might be useless in the field or slow as hell at racing?.

i'll judge next year LOL :- "

 

[moonlake]

I think that the wc should at least try to accommodate other types of Whippets other than just show dogs ..... but really I'm sure racers, working types etc ... are just an after thought .....If you look most of the time the racing and lure coursing classes are won by show bred Whippets .....Now does this mean that our racers, workers are that far away from the breed standard ?? ....or does it mean these classes are just judged on looks and not out and out ability .... In that case these classes seem pointless  :- "  ....as for the vets and qualifiers these are just stupid ...  :wacko:

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I started the racing/coursing classes when I was chairman of the WC and the aim was to bring all whippets under the club's umbrella. It was certainly not an afterthought but a declaration of intent. There were more classes then because we wanted to sort the entries according to ability on the field which would then be shown by what class they were in and we had a special judge who was active in either or both racing and coursing. Unfortunately, the KC stopped this because one unsporting exhibitor complained that the r/c judge wasn't competent to judge because her exhibit had been beaten by something she thought was inferior. The club has only recently been allowed to have a specialist judge again. I understand that the "recent win" rule was brought in to prevent show people racing their dogs a couple of times to qualify for the classes and get an easy win.

And yes, I am sorry to say that many racing and so called "working" whippets are far from the breed standard and in "type" which is very difficult to explain in print but when the WC was founded more than 100 years ago, one of its chief objectives was to promote true or correct type. This is something that many all-rounder judges do not understand/recognize which accounts for the wide diversity in show dogs.

Please support the classes and see them as an opportunity for all of us to learn from each other. The goal is to have "one" whippet, multi talented and therefore widening the gene pool which we all need at the moment. I judged these classes many years ago and the best was a racing dog. Not because I wanted to prove something but because he had type, quality and moved superbly.

Gay

www.moonlake.co.uk

 

[Mark Roberts]

Unfortunately, the KC stopped this because one unsporting exhibitor complained that the r/c judge wasn't competent to judge because her exhibit had been beaten by something she thought was inferior.

What a shame, IMO it should be judged by a racing person ~ ie: Club Secretarys (if appropriat) WCRA officials ect ect.

 

[Joanna]

That person would need to be an acredited judge within the show world, does such a person exist who has a dual interest? This is where the problem lies, whippet owners generally decide to race or show as an interest, some show breds dabble in lure coursing and do well, but very few show breds do well at racing. As I keep saying, racers do not breed dogs to conform to the breed standard, they breed them to run fast.

I have a view that if you think your whippet is worthy of showing there shouldn't be any special classes. They should be able to compete with any pedigree whippet in a standard class. There shouldn't be exceptions made for dogs who participate in other disciplines, what's the point? My racing dog has qualified for one of these classes but I would be completely bonkers to enter him, if looked at through a judge's critical eye, he has far too may faults. We don't breed them to show so it would be more luck than judgement if you got a racer that could hold it's own in the ring.

I have said all this before and stand by my views much as they may be unpopular to rose tinted spectacle wearers :- " Get rid of special classes and if you think your whippet is good enough, enter them against the true competition. :thumbsup: When a racing bred dog wins a standard class, I'll eat my words, but not until then.

 

[Happy Humber]

The judge for this show races her dogs with the Maidstone pedi club and also at the sussex long dogs if the days do not clash.

Sandy also shows her dogs and judges at open show level so is well qualified :thumbsup:

Whenever I have been to the show the classes have been well filled so give it a go its great to see the racers

 

[Joanna]

That person would need to be an acredited judge within the show world, does such a person exist who has a dual interest?

The judge for this show races her dogs with the Maidstone pedi club and also at the sussex long dogs

Her eye will be trained to the racing dog physique then. Thanks for enlightening me on that point, I still maintain what I said about classes though.

 

[TC]

Unfortunately, the KC stopped this because one unsporting exhibitor complained that the r/c judge wasn't competent to judge because her exhibit had been beaten by something she thought was inferior.

What a shame, IMO it should be judged by a racing person ~ ie: Club Secretarys (if appropriat) WCRA officials ect ect.

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I agree, a shame and also quite disgusting behaviour

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