What Is Happening To K9

[*Lesley*]

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Well I've been sat here thinking about what K9 was like when I joined and it was very different to now,(and thats not that long ago) full of people putting pics of their lovely dogs for all to see with lots of wonderful comments and awww blesses. :wub:

People asking for advice and getting it without being jumped on in the process, people being supportive and giving praise if someones dog did well at anything however minor.

People being encouraged to try racing/showing/coursing ect just because it might be fun for the dogs whether they were good at it or not.

Some people seem to have forgotten that there is a huge divide between an oppinion and an insult these days and that leads to nice posts turning into slanging matches which I think is really sad.

Everyone is entitled to an oppinion and to free speech but please remember that you are doing it on an open forum for lots of people to see, personal disputes should be kept private. :thumbsup:

Anyway just an honest oppinion :b

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

Well said lesley could not agree more :thumbsup:

 

[ILoveKettleChips]

I think it must be coming up a year since I started using K9 and I am not sure whether things are changing or whether this is a phase. There are certainly other more general dog forums where you have to be very careful what you say, or you'll be eaten alive! I've seen poor newcomers who just want a bit of advice on housetraining recoil in horror as the well-oiled machine that is 'the regulars' gobbles them up with criticism and attacks. Thank heavens K9 isn't like that.

I agree that there are times when criticism and argument have gone too far here (who, me? :- " ) but I think this is something which all groups of friends and acquaintances go through. People come and go, some leave their mark, and the group evolves.

I can only speak for the bits of K9 which I frequent (no time to read it all!) but most conflict occurs only between regulars, rather than attacks on newcomers, which is something we should all try our best to avoid. I really love a good debate, it gets us all fired up and speaking our minds. Some people feel the need to add in catty remarks, but I think the vast majority of us would realise that this says far more about the poster than it does about the person they're directing malice at. On the whole, debate is fair and balanced.

The last thing I would want for K9 would be that because most of us get along well we could no longer being frank and honest with one another. Being friends doesn't mean we can't disagree. It's when disagreeing means we can't be friends that the real trouble starts. Sadly, people who dislike those who won't toe their line will always be around, in all walks of life, and the rest of us will just have to smile and ignore them.

 

[Janimal]

Its a shame because it spoils an enjoyable Forum - I have been a member only a year and have enjoyed taking part most of the time.

I also think it is much easier to put your opinion forward when behind the PC as a shield, so to speak - it would be very different I think if people were face to face. Maybe things wouldnt get quite so heated.

 

[Sprout]

I've no idea whats been happening here to cause upset but I do know that there are many people around who don't like you to have different opinions, feelings or thoughs to those they hold and if you do happen to speak out, all hell breaks loose. Shame really. None of us are the same and we're never all going to agree on everything. The real shame is that some people aren't prepared to accept that and just get on with their own lives.

 

[Zephyr]

Some people seem to have forgotten that there is a huge divide between an oppinion and an insult these days and that leads to nice posts turning into slanging matches which I think is really sad. Everyone is entitled to an oppinion and to free speech but please remember that you are doing it on an open forum for lots of people to see, personal disputes should be kept private. :thumbsup:

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Hi - have been away for a week, and I have no idea what the upsets have been about, but I agree with you Lesley. This is a fantastic forum and it is really interesting and informative to read peoples differing opinions and that is how it should be. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

But I get really turned off when people start to be aggressive, rude, thoughtless or arrogant in their posts - this is so unnecessary - surely we can disagree firmly but politely - at least that is what I try to teach my children to do! :sweating: There have been times that posts I have read have come across as very puerile and I find myself wishing that people would grow up a bit. :- "

 

[Vicky]

To be honest with you Lesley, k9 has ALWAYS had controversial topics so maybe you just weren't looking in the right places before, a lot of people on here are opinionated and will say what they think - i would much rather it be that way than a large majority who sit on the fence or worse still agree with people coz they want to be popular!

If people want to carry on in cuckoo land with their head in the clouds thinking everyone agree's with what they say/do then fine but i won't change my opinion just to suit members on here, everything i say on here i stand by and will say to someones face and i think if people have to stop having their own opinion then we might as well close k9 now!

 

[dawn]

To be honest with you Lesley, k9 has ALWAYS had controversial topics so maybe you just weren't looking in the right places before, a lot of people on here are opinionated and will say what they think - i would much rather it be that way than a large majority who sit on the fence or worse still agree with people coz they want to be popular!If people want to carry on in cuckoo land with their head in the clouds thinking everyone agree's with what they say/do then fine but i won't change my opinion just to suit members on here, everything i say on here i stand by and will say to someones face and i think if people have to stop having their own opinion then we might as well close k9 now!

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I disagree wholeheartedly with the above

There has been some quite contensius (?sp) issues with some very different views expressed. Some, unfortunatley, getting personal and quite vitriolic. People have different opinions which should, in an ideal world be considered as valid as anoyone elses. However this is not the case in the Real World. An example for many is the hunting bill which has people with quite opposing views and many are unable to see a different perspective to their own. How to reconcile things is beyond me

 

[~elizabeth~]

I don't think the problem is people having strong opinions, many people do and manage to express their arguments quite factually. The problem comes when arguments are personalised, in a quite deliberate way, so that individuals are deliberabely offended.

Yes, communication via newsgroup can be tricky at times, even with emoticons the mood of a remark can be misjudged, but personal remarks or attacks are usually quite intentional and have no place on a civilised board.

 

[buffyrannoch]

I don't think the problem is people having strong opinions, many people do and manage to express their arguments quite factually. The problem comes when arguments are personalised, in a quite deliberate way, so that individuals are deliberabely offended.
Yes, communication via newsgroup can be tricky at times, even with emoticons the mood of a remark can be misjudged, but personal remarks or attacks  are usually quite intentional and have no place on a civilised board.

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Well said :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

To be honest with you Lesley, k9 has ALWAYS had controversial topics so maybe you just weren't looking in the right places before, a lot of people on here are opinionated and will say what they think - i would much rather it be that way than a large majority who sit on the fence or worse still agree with people coz they want to be popular!If people want to carry on in cuckoo land with their head in the clouds thinking everyone agree's with what they say/do then fine but i won't change my opinion just to suit members on here, everything i say on here i stand by and will say to someones face and i think if people have to stop having their own opinion then we might as well close k9 now!

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That's not what I actually said I am all for people having an oppinion I have a pretty strong one myself on most things but i wouldn't insult someone and their dogs on an open forum to air my oppinion, controversy is one thing nastiness is another

.I disagree wholeheartedly with the above

There has been some quite contensius (?sp) issues with some very different views expressed. Some, unfortunatley, getting personal and quite vitriolic.

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I don't think the problem is people having strong opinions, many people do and manage to express their arguments quite factually. The problem comes when arguments are personalised, in a quite deliberate way, so that individuals are deliberabely offended.
Yes, communication via newsgroup can be tricky at times, even with emoticons the mood of a remark can be misjudged, but personal remarks or attacks  are usually quite intentional and have no place on a civilised board.

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Thats what I was saying :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

Should have also said that Dawn and Elizabeth have a much better vocabulary than me :b :lol:

 

[Vicky]

Lesley - i have already said that thread shouldn't have got personal but something bugs me for a long time and eventually i "let rip", you don't know the background of my comments though so i wont be worrying about whether you feel i was right or wrong!

 

[Paws123]

We have all gone maddddddddddd (w00t) (w00t)

"If it's very painful for you to criticize your friends - you're safe in doing it. But if you take the slightest pleasure in it, that's the time to hold your tongue unless you can not stand them". quote Alice Duer Miller

 

[Strike Whippets]

Everyone is entitled to an oppinion and to free speech but please remember that you are doing it on an open forum for lots of people to see, personal disputes should be kept private.

This is an open forum and people are going to disagree about different thing's ...........It's also unfortunate that thing's do become personal slanging match's, but I guess that's only human after oh say you've had one of your dog's and her breeding picked apart by someone who knows soooooo much on an open forum ........Yes it get's personal ..........There are alway's going to be people who rub other's up the wrong way, but we could try to be nicer I guess

BTW a great saying ........

"If it's very painful for you to criticize your friends - you're safe in doing it. But if you take the slightest pleasure in it, that's the time to hold your tongue unless you can not stand them". quote Alice Duer Miller

 

[*Lesley*]

Lesley - i have already said that thread shouldn't have got personal but something bugs me for a long time and eventually i "let rip", you don't know the background of my comments though so i wont be worrying about whether you feel i was right or wrong!

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I didn't realise I'd singled out any posts or any comments made and I certainly don't remember accusing you of anything :unsure:

 

[JAX]

Should have also said that Dawn and Elizabeth have a much better vocabulary than me :b   :lol:

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When you get `long ` words in Dawns post , its usually` Richard` her OH ,who in tapping the keys :- "

Some times what we type dosnt come across the way we mean it , if you know what I mean :lol: o

 

[Janimal]

Its a very different thing actually speaking to someone and 'typing' to someone .. its quite hard sometimes to say what you mean in the written word. :unsure: :sweating: at least for me sometimes :lol:

 

[bappit]

Probably hav'nt been on K9 for a long enough period to pass judgement, however, that wont stop me :clown:

I visit quite a few sites, and can honestly say this one seems very civilised by comparison. As moriarte stated it can be difficult to get the right tone when posting. I think this site is very informative and enjoyable - or maybe I've not managed to upset anyone yet yes there has been the odd heated debate, not knowing anyone involved personally I've just read each individual opinion with interest whether I've agreed or not, to me thats what makes life interesting.

Its a shame if anyone has been upset or taken anything to heart.

 

[doris]

I love that saying, how clever!

I think people have trouble accepting their opinion is just that! It can be hard to remember that just because you think something is right, doesn't mean that a diffent opinion is wrong

except in my house, of course . . . . :- "