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[masta]

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so you only show if  under certain judges ie if they like your type colour etc bit like only racing against dogs slower than yours? kinda defeats the object what ever happened to the breed standard ?

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Well, if for instance there would be a judge who told me that that there is no such a thing as a good blue whippet, i would not bother to show under him my blue bitch. Would you? Actually, i would not bother to give him my entry with my red one either.

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i would report them to the govening body ask for a written explanation why? point out they are there to judge what is front of them on the day, what if it was a class entirely of blues? "i would not give him my entry" dont understand? it would make me more determined to put blues in front of him/her

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A judge can only place what is in front of him or her, i would not waste in excess of £20 per class to show under a judge who imo wouldnt like the type/colour etc of MY dogs.

As for reporting them !! in the end, judging is all about someone opinion,

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"A judge can only place what is in front of him or her" correct but based on the breed standard or do they disregard that and only place fawns/brindles etc i would have thought every owner has self belief of their dog or whats the point of showing? i would'nt waste my £20.00 either but i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

"As for reporting them !!" yes if a judge had made a comment of the tone mentioned in the previous post i would not have a problem in reporting and asking for an explanation they have accountability

 

[TC]

i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

(w00t) I'm not sure that there is such a thing Masta :- "

Sorry to sound negative, and I really don't mean to be, but I think that is just a tad sweeping!

There is no way that there is a dog out there that can wow every judge at every show, sorry, but it's not feasible. I'll get ready to run for cover now lol, but seriously, there is always someone else hot on your heels. That's why people breed, to better what there is...

Sure there are, and have been some fantastic dogs that ooze quality and yes, they do lots of winning. However, I don't beleive they can always win.

Showing to me is a bit about quality of exhibit, a bit about handling, a bit about the dog's mood on the day, a bit about the judge, and a bit about who/what else is there (w00t)

I love showing (even though I feel blooming sick from the minute I wake up until the minute I step out of the ring :x ) and I'll pretty much go under any judge just for the experience, but it's becoming more apparent why some exhibitors are more 'choosy' about who they go under.

We all know there are whippet types, so why would you travel loads of miles to go under a judge who you know doesn't like your type (I am not talking about colour here!) You can take the risk of going on the off chance that you think there will be less of their 'type' in the ring and you might stand a chance, the choice is yours.

As far as judges preference, as explained, every judge will iterpret the standard slightly differently. you would hope most judges would have a consistent lineup at the end of the day, but sometimes this may not be possible based on what they have before them in each class.

We all have different tastes, judges are no different. For me, as long as they are putting sound, more correct dogs (I say more, as there is not imo 'a perfect dog') over others, then they are doing their job.

It's not the winning, it's the taking part :- "

TCx

 

[dolly]

so you only show if  under certain judges ie if they like your type colour etc bit like only racing against dogs slower than yours? kinda defeats the object what ever happened to the breed standard ?

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Well, if for instance there would be a judge who told me that that there is no such a thing as a good blue whippet, i would not bother to show under him my blue bitch. Would you? Actually, i would not bother to give him my entry with my red one either.

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i would report them to the govening body ask for a written explanation why? point out they are there to judge what is front of them on the day, what if it was a class entirely of blues? "i would not give him my entry" dont understand? it would make me more determined to put blues in front of him/her

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A judge can only place what is in front of him or her, i would not waste in excess of £20 per class to show under a judge who imo wouldnt like the type/colour etc of MY dogs.

As for reporting them !! in the end, judging is all about someone opinion,

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"A judge can only place what is in front of him or her" correct but based on the breed standard or do they disregard that and only place fawns/brindles etc i would have thought every owner has self belief of their dog or whats the point of showing? i would'nt waste my £20.00 either but i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

"As for reporting them !!" yes if a judge had made a comment of the tone mentioned in the previous post i would not have a problem in reporting and asking for an explanation they have accountability

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Comments are not usually made by any judges whenl judging, However, we all prefer to live with a certain type, colour, But when judging you look at a dog as a whole, to the breed standard.

When you have made your selection, and their maybe a few thats fits YOUR opinion of the breed standard, then you have to make a decision how to place them. It MAY be because of the colour, or the type, at the end of the day, you are the judge and ITS YOUR opinion people are paying for.

I feel as long as my exhibit when showing, gets treated the same as anyone else, the same amount of time spent with the judge, the same consisderation, i havent a problem.

 

[masta]

so you only show if  under certain judges ie if they like your type colour etc bit like only racing against dogs slower than yours? kinda defeats the object what ever happened to the breed standard ?

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Well, if for instance there would be a judge who told me that that there is no such a thing as a good blue whippet, i would not bother to show under him my blue bitch. Would you? Actually, i would not bother to give him my entry with my red one either.

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i would report them to the govening body ask for a written explanation why? point out they are there to judge what is front of them on the day, what if it was a class entirely of blues? "i would not give him my entry" dont understand? it would make me more determined to put blues in front of him/her

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A judge can only place what is in front of him or her, i would not waste in excess of £20 per class to show under a judge who imo wouldnt like the type/colour etc of MY dogs.

As for reporting them !! in the end, judging is all about someone opinion,

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"A judge can only place what is in front of him or her" correct but based on the breed standard or do they disregard that and only place fawns/brindles etc i would have thought every owner has self belief of their dog or whats the point of showing? i would'nt waste my £20.00 either but i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

"As for reporting them !!" yes if a judge had made a comment of the tone mentioned in the previous post i would not have a problem in reporting and asking for an explanation they have accountability

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Comments are not usually made by any judges whenl judging, However, we all prefer to live with a certain type, colour, But when judging you look at a dog as a whole, to the breed standard.

When you have made your selection, and their maybe a few thats fits YOUR opinion of the breed standard, then you have to make a decision how to place them. It MAY be because of the colour, or the type, at the end of the day, you are the judge and ITS YOUR opinion people are paying for.

I feel as long as my exhibit when showing, gets treated the same as anyone else, the same amount of time spent with the judge, the same consisderation, i havent a problem.

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many thanks for your explanation, but i have judged (not dogs) so i am aware of what is required

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As far as reporting etc, like i said previously i was commenting on the previous post not making a generalisation.

"But when judging you look at a dog as a whole, to the breed standard" so why cherry pick?

 

[dolly]

The judge can never win though, comments from the ringside :- "

Line up of all fawns, (they only like fawns)

Line up of all brindles (they only like brindles)

Line up of all colours ( What a mixed bag that is, they dont know what they want )

 

[TC]

The judge can never win though, comments  from the ringside :- "
Line up of all fawns, (they only like fawns)

Line up of all brindles (they only like brindles)

Line up of all colours ( What a mixed bag that is, they dont know what they want )

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(w00t) (w00t) (w00t)

 

[masta]

i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

(w00t) I'm not sure that there is such a thing Masta :- "

Sorry to sound negative, and I really don't mean to be, but I think that is just a tad sweeping!

There is no way that there is a dog out there that can wow every judge at every show, sorry, but it's not feasible. I'll get ready to run for cover now lol, but seriously, there is always someone else hot on your heels. That's why people breed, to better what there is...

Sure there are, and have been some fantastic dogs that ooze quality and yes, they do lots of winning. However, I don't beleive they can always win.

Showing to me is a bit about quality of exhibit, a bit about handling, a bit about the dog's mood on the day, a bit about the judge, and a bit about who/what else is there (w00t)

I love showing (even though I feel blooming sick from the minute I wake up until the minute I step out of the ring :x ) and I'll pretty much go under any judge just for the experience, but it's becoming more apparent why some exhibitors are more 'choosy' about who they go under.

We all know there are whippet types, so why would you travel loads of miles to go under a judge who you know doesn't like your type (I am not talking about colour here!) You can take the risk of going on the off chance that you think there will be less of their 'type' in the ring and you might stand a chance, the choice is yours.

As far as judges preference, as explained, every judge will iterpret the standard slightly differently. you would hope most judges would have a consistent lineup at the end of the day, but sometimes this may not be possible based on what they have before them in each class.

We all have different tastes, judges are no different. For me, as long as they are putting sound, more correct dogs (I say more, as there is not imo 'a perfect dog') over others, then they are doing their job.

It's not the winning, it's the taking part :- "

TCx

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it's ment to be sweeping, what ever i have shown i have had belief in why would i travel 3/4 hours to a show believing i was going to get beat? off course you dont always have the best you lose many times some times its the judge other times there was better there but some my best memories are winning against judges i felt i no chance with

 

[jayp]

Judging is all about that judges interpretation of the standard on that day and the emphasis placed on each virtue and fault in other words the whole dog.

experienced exhibitors will have an idea of a judges preference but as has been said it depends if their ideal is there on the day

IF YOU DONT SHOW YOU WONT KNOW jan

 

[JAX]

So right Jan ,

youve got to be `in it to win it `

but sometimes one really thinks one would be better staying at home and doing the cleaning (w00t) :lol:

unless one gets someone `in ` of course :lol:

I like to go for a good `gossip ` , Ive not been to a show for nearly a month (w00t) So Ive lots of catching up to do :cheers:

 

[kris]

i once showed a liver/tan dobermann bitch under a judge who was known to dislike anything other than black/tans.it was at the midland dobermann club ch show and hed got a great entry too.i won 4x1sts and best puppy in show.after the judging he said to me i cant stand browns usually but id take that one home! :blink:

many years a go i was stewarding at manchester champ show for a well known terrier breed judge. a lady who had a bitch of mine was showing it but the judge didnt know id bred her.she gave the bitch the res.c.c.and after the judging said to the owners(total newcomers to the breed) your bitch deserved the c.c. shes the best here by far but i owe ******** a ticket for the last time i was under her so maybe next time,also you have to serve your apprenticeship you know! (w00t) the young woman came up to me later and told me what the judge had said and said she was going to report her for it to the kennel club.a friend who was far more experienced in the ways fo the dog world said to us keep your mouth shut cos if you do tell youll never win anything again.she did 'keep it shut'and she made the bitch up anyway. :thumbsup:

the motto behind this rambling is show your dog without fear or favour cos if its good enough it will get there

 

[Juley]

Completely agree with you here Jenny .  :huggles:
I go to most shows I can with pups , Those judges who I think will be gentle with my dogs and give an honest opinion. Ive had many a placing from judges to who I thought id have little chance and nothing under those who I would have thought liked my stock 

Its all down to what is in the ring with you , as long as my dogs go well for me and we both have a good day out its no big deal to go unplaced ( wel it is really  ) but it looks nicer for me to say that  :lol:

I think it would be great fun to have a new breed where you know nothing about the judges at all ( expensive maybe )

Oh to be innocent  :cheers: and a breed virgin    :lol:

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I nearly spat a glass of very good red wine over my keyboard reading that, managed to swallow it and THEN laugh. I needed a good chuckle, thanks for that! :thumbsup:

 

[quintessence]

When I was young I went by coach to one of the Scottish shows, it was the first Champ show I had attended on my own. I was showing a sweet little bitch in I think Junior and was placed (I think 3rd). The judge was Judy de Casembroot and she came and found me at my bench later and said how much she liked my bitch but that she couldn't place her any higher because her feet let her down, they were not tight enough. She then told me to get some ****** ***** to dip her feet in just before I went in the ring and it would make them appear tighter.

Two weeks later I showed her under Joe Cartledge at a Limited Show and she won AV Junior, when he was marking his judging book, he looked me in the eye and said "don't use so much ****** ***** next time and winked.

Two great judges, I would love to show under them again.

Jenny

 

[Seraphina]

I go to most shows I can with pups , Those judges who I think will be gentle with my dogs

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Yes I also take my pups to as many shows as possible, and do not care how we place - that is a good training

But I find it hard to believe that anybody would deliberately enter under a judge who indicated that he/she has a strong dislike for a trait very obvious in your dog.

I used colour as an example. It seemed a such a good clear cut example. :b

But basically I would not enter under a judge who i do not respect. But I never resent being beaten by a nice dog.

 

[TC]

i also would'nt bother showing if i didnt believe my dog was capable of winning in any company or judge

(w00t) I'm not sure that there is such a thing Masta :- "

Sorry to sound negative, and I really don't mean to be, but I think that is just a tad sweeping!

There is no way that there is a dog out there that can wow every judge at every show, sorry, but it's not feasible. I'll get ready to run for cover now lol, but seriously, there is always someone else hot on your heels. That's why people breed, to better what there is...

Sure there are, and have been some fantastic dogs that ooze quality and yes, they do lots of winning. However, I don't beleive they can always win.

Showing to me is a bit about quality of exhibit, a bit about handling, a bit about the dog's mood on the day, a bit about the judge, and a bit about who/what else is there (w00t)

I love showing (even though I feel blooming sick from the minute I wake up until the minute I step out of the ring :x ) and I'll pretty much go under any judge just for the experience, but it's becoming more apparent why some exhibitors are more 'choosy' about who they go under.

We all know there are whippet types, so why would you travel loads of miles to go under a judge who you know doesn't like your type (I am not talking about colour here!) You can take the risk of going on the off chance that you think there will be less of their 'type' in the ring and you might stand a chance, the choice is yours.

As far as judges preference, as explained, every judge will iterpret the standard slightly differently. you would hope most judges would have a consistent lineup at the end of the day, but sometimes this may not be possible based on what they have before them in each class.

We all have different tastes, judges are no different. For me, as long as they are putting sound, more correct dogs (I say more, as there is not imo 'a perfect dog') over others, then they are doing their job.

It's not the winning, it's the taking part :- "

TCx

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it's ment to be sweeping, what ever i have shown i have had belief in why would i travel 3/4 hours to a show believing i was going to get beat? off course you dont always have the best you lose many times some times its the judge other times there was better there but some my best memories are winning against judges i felt i no chance with

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Sorry, I misinterpreted your first statement then. I thought you were saying that you wouldn't bother unless you had a dog that you knew would win in any company or under any judge :- "

 

[TC]

When I was young I went by coach to one of the Scottish shows, it was the first Champ show I had attended on my own.  I was showing a sweet little bitch in I think Junior and was placed (I think 3rd).  The judge was Judy de Casembroot and she came and found me at my bench later and said how much she liked my bitch but that she couldn't place her any higher because her feet let her down, they were not tight enough.  She then told me to get some ****** ***** to dip her feet  in just before I went in the ring and it would make them appear tighter. 
Two weeks later I showed her under Joe Cartledge at a Limited Show and she won AV Junior, when he was marking his judging book, he looked me in the eye and said "don't use so much ****** ***** next time and winked.

Two great judges, I would love to show under them again.

Jenny

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Jenny - You need to right a book. I would buy it (w00t)

 

[Ridgesetter]

Can't help but jump in feet, boots and probably an anchor, but never in my life have I heard a judge comment that they don't like this colour or that. In fact, it's not proper to discuss such things as likes and dislikes on any breed and any judge that does would end up with a poor entry. There is a breed standard and you judge to the standard. Our system is different - we don't have the numbers - and our judges officiate over the whole group so maybe that's why we don't hear comments about breed likes and disllikes.

Do judges in the UK really make such comments on whippet colour or is it just a summisation because a judge gives most awards to fawns / blues / brindles or whatever?

Cheers

Toni

 

[aslan]

I have come to the conclusion that you never really know what a judge's "type" is - because different things influence them on different days.

Last year one of my bitches was awarded BIS (all breeds) under a certain judge. The judge gave her glowing comments. He/she told me he/she had owned whippets at one stage. Around 8 months later that judge was judging again. Enter a new (to the area) exhibitor and this time my bitch could not even win her way out of the breed. I went along thinking that I should have a good chance at something nice as long as my bitch showed well. She did - but the judge could not even award her RCC - put a limping bitch over her for that award!

Work that one out.

 

[Seraphina]

Can't help but jump in feet, boots and probably an anchor, but never in my life have I heard a judge comment that they don't like this colour or that. 

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Toni, the colour was brought up as an example only. My conclusion re- this particular judge came from several incidents over time, including this person's reaction when blue whippet was mentioned.

Of-course, judging is lot more complicated than that, but surely each person has a vision of the perfect Whippet and tries to look for dogs that fit that image. It goes without saying that this perfection fits their interpretation of the standard.