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Whippet Named As Having Breed Fault?

Eh?? What's the supposed named fault?

Wendy
 
Is there a way of finding out what the supposed name fault is ?, I had a look at the site but could only get a list.

Jenny
 
Utter nonsense of course but what we have come to expect from Eurocrats with nothing better to do.

It would be interesting to know just what the "named fault(s)" is/are.

None of this is particularly enforceable, except the tail docking in docked breeds, where presumably vets would be unlikely to court prosecution and stop doing them. In whippets I would carry on removing dewclaws as I always have in any litter I bred, as I imagine would others.

The biggest implication is if the Kennel Club were to refuse to register litters from non-complying breeders - then pedigree whippet racing and non-pedigree whippet racing would become the same sport! Looking into my crystal ball, I can see a time when (if this convention was taken up) an "unofficial" kennel club type registry would be set up using current pedigrees from as far back as possible, and on-going into future generations.

Happy New Year :- "
 
Having gone into the home page & then looked at the "major reasons detailed",i can only come to the conclusion that for whippets,the X should be under dew claws & NOT named fault :wacko:
 
alfyn said:
Having gone into the home page & then looked at the "major reasons detailed",i can only come to the conclusion that for whippets,the  X should be under dew claws & NOT  named fault  :wacko:
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If that is the case shouldn't ALL breeds have an X against them then????
 
from what i understand and i may be wrong but having to remove dewclaws to prevent injury is classed as a fault????? :wacko:
 
Hi!

Before we start making this a big issue I think we need more facts. I think it's just "a storm in a water glass".

henrik Härling
 
They probably think Whippets are too cute, require lots of cuddles & take up too much sofa space. (w00t) (w00t) (w00t)

Michelle
 
Calm down ladies, if you look how long the list is, and how many people are involved with all those breeds, i cant see anything happening without a HUGE fight. Now go back to your crochet.
 
I think you really do ned to find what exactly means "being on a hit list". Interestingly Borzoi is there with "dewclaws", well I do not know about Europe, but all my Borzois (8 of them, over the years) all had their dewclaws left on.

But frankly i think it is just about time somebody did something about breeds with a gross exagerations that make the dogs suffer. Many breeds have changed drastically over the past 100 years, and if the breeders are incapable to think of the welfare of the dogs, wel it is just tough luck that somebody else does it for them.
 
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Seraphina said:
I think you really do ned to find what exactly means "being on a hit list".  Interestingly Borzoi is there with "dewclaws", well I do not know about Europe, but all my Borzois (8 of them, over the years)  all had their dewclaws left on.But frankly i think it is just about time somebody did something about breeds with a gross exagerations that make the dogs suffer.  Many breeds have changed drastically over the past 100 years, and if the breeders are incapable to think of the welfare of the dogs, wel it is just tough luck that somebody else does it for them.

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I have just skim read the document and more of the web-site, and have to say that in parts, it is right. Bulldogs jawlines have got worse due to selective show breeding. Bassets ears should not be so long as to drag on the floor, many other breeds have been altered by the show world, to the extent that thier health suffers.

However, parts of it are listing dogs at risk because they are routinely docked, or as in the case of whippets, dew clawed. They also list all merle dogs, as they pass on blindness. The document is designed to protect dogs from bad breeding and bad practice, but appears to be too far reaching for its own good. Luckily the UK Kennel club is against it, however the RCVS is for it all the way!
 
wunwin said:
Seraphina said:
IBut frankly i think it is just about time somebody did something about breeds with a gross exagerations that make the dogs suffer.  Many breeds have changed drastically over the past 100 years, and if the breeders are incapable to think of the welfare of the dogs, wel it is just tough luck that somebody else does it for them.

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I have just skim read the document and more of the web-site, and have to say that in parts, it is right. Bulldogs jawlines have got worse due to selective show breeding. Bassets ears should not be so long as to drag on the floor, many other breeds have been altered by the show world, to the extent that thier health suffers.

However, parts of it are listing dogs at risk because they are routinely docked, or as in the case of whippets, dew clawed. They also list all merle dogs, as they pass on blindness. The document is designed to protect dogs from bad breeding and bad practice, but appears to be too far reaching for its own good. Luckily the UK Kennel club is against it, however the RCVS is for it all the way!

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I have old dog books and it fascinating how much the breeds changed (many becoming very exagerated). Bassets also have bad back problems.

This is a photo of very well bred daschhund, from well known pedigree lines, taken in 1959. This was a dog suitable for what it was bred for; going underground after badgers and foxes. He belonged to a gamekeeper and went often to work with his master, perfectly happy to be walking miles and miles through the forest. Not even 50 years on daschunds are so deformed that some drag their penis on the ground and are so long they have serious back problems.
 
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Hmmm are you sitting comfortably?

http://www.cawc.org.uk/documents/CAWCModifications.pdf

Actually to save you all the bother the only mention of whippet in this paper is it's personality, none of which is deemed undesirable. There is a mention of greyhounds & lurchers with reference to their physical attributes being required for their function i.e. speed and it doesn't appear that they want to interfere with this but essentially aim to bring exagerated breeds back to their original physique. i.e. reduce excessive wrinkling from shar-peis to discourage entropium and skin defects etc. In other words it appears their aim is to reduce breed faults that can lead to disease / illness / harm to either offspring or mother.

Googled whippets for breed faults and the 2 main ones that crop up are partial alopecia and cryptorchidism seeing as these are already documented faults in the KC breed standard I think pedigree whippets are pretty safe here.

As for dew claws, unfortunately there are a lot of young vets out there who think their removal is barbaric (my previous vet included) so this might be why the RCVS is in favour. Alternatively they might like to see that only vets carry out the procedure ker-ching!!£££££ or maybe they'll wait till your dog's ripped theirs off... double ker-ching!!£££££
 
As I can see that some sort of legislation might be favored , in preventing docking and ear pinning on other alterations. However, this document mentions putting in breed Length, Height, and weight restrictions.. (not sure if this would be included in all breeds or just certain ones) If adopted by the KC, (and they might have to) this in it's self would limit the breed. As I'm sure we all know whippets come in all sizes and bone structures depending on their lines (show, racing, coursing). I know that he American KC, does recognize Height and Weight restrictions. If an animal is too much over or under it isn't allowed to be showed..
 
They arnt going to change breeds that can do whay they are bred for, ie run fast, just the ones the show world has de-formed.
 
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As I can see that some sort of legislation might be favored , in preventing docking and ear pinning on other alterations. However, this document mentions putting in breed Length, Height, and weight restrictions.. (not sure if this would be included in all breeds or just certain ones)  If adopted by the KC, (and they might have to) this in it's self would limit the breed. As I'm sure we all know whippets come in all sizes and bone structures depending on their lines (show, racing, coursing). I know that he American KC, does recognize Height and Weight restrictions.If an animal is too much over or under it isn't allowed to be showed..
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NO they are talking about such breeds as daschhunds and bassets that got so long their backs are breaking, or some giant breeds like Great Danes, which were 30" in early 20's century and now some are close to 40" with heaps of skeletal problems. Little tea-cup chihuahuas are being bred smalled and smaller with lot of associated problems (like the soft spot on their head never closing).

They are only interested in breeds bred with characteristics that make the animal suffer.
 
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As I can see that some sort of legislation might be favored , in preventing docking and ear pinning on other alterations. However, this document mentions putting in breed Length, Height, and weight restrictions.. (not sure if this would be included in all breeds or just certain ones)  If adopted by the KC, (and they might have to) this in it's self would limit the breed. As I'm sure we all know whippets come in all sizes and bone structures depending on their lines (show, racing, coursing). I know that he American KC, does recognize Height and Weight restrictions. If an animal is too much over or under it isn't allowed to be showed..
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I've seen something about this before & I think it relates to the shape of the whippet's back which, some in the EU think is deformed.

Gail.
 
GailK said:
blue-whippet said:
As I can see that some sort of legislation might be favored , in preventing docking and ear pinning on other alterations. However, this document mentions putting in breed Length, Height, and weight restrictions.. (not sure if this would be included in all breeds or just certain ones)  If adopted by the KC, (and they might have to) this in it's self would limit the breed. As I'm sure we all know whippets come in all sizes and bone structures depending on their lines (show, racing, coursing). I know that he American KC, does recognize Height and Weight restrictions. If an animal is too much over or under it isn't allowed to be showed..
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I've seen something about this before & I think it relates to the shape of the whippet's back which, some in the EU think is deformed.

Gail.

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I doubt that the correct slight arch of Whippet back could be seen as a problem by anybody. What suppose to be the problem it causes to the dog?
 
yes but please all remember this is the EU which banned bananas from being overbent?????? :wacko: :wacko:
 
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