Will Young Wants An Iggie!!!!

[EMILY]

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ALL puupies are hard work not just IG puppies. It takes hard work, committment and a hell of a lot of patience and good humour to cope with any puppy and that is why so many are re-homed as the owners simply can not cope with what they at first considered to be a cute bundle of fluff! I to have no desire to own a IG as they are just too petite for my liking - I prefer the whippet or lurcher but I don't think that just because the IG are such a delicate petite breed it can be said that they need more experienced and dedicated owners than any other pup of any other breed.

 

[nina]

WHAT?
Do you actually take any time reading back what you are writing before you press the send button!

You may have "lived with this breed" for 16 years and know more than i have forgotten and can i just say at this stage i admire ig's very much but have no desire at all to own one mainly because of the problems already discussed but also the thought of having to deal with a breeder of your ilk and disposition

This is dogs we are discussing, everyone on this site loves and respect their dogs whatever breed they are and i am sure you are 100% commited and as you say "care about it deeply" but that does not give you carte blanche to be rude i take exception to some one making assumtions regarding my intelligence and knowledge on the back of me writing a couple of lines of text!

"As i said it was meant to be informative, read what in to it you will"

By the way for your information your rude, ill mannered and aggresive, read what you want into that

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Well i think when someone makes a statement about ANY breed "surely demand would out weigh supply" it doesn't necessarily come across very well.

I'm certainly not about to get into a slanging match on here with you or anyone else.

You are entitled to your opinion just as i am mine. In future perhaps its best we do NOT reply to each others posts, as i have absolutely no interest in carrying this on any further.

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[lalena]

no matter how 'popular' a breed, demand will never out weigh supply oh, i agree, there will be thousands in rescue, but many people wont even consider a rescue dog. when it comes to people less knowledgeable about any breed, naturally they want a puppy. of course, unscrupulous breeders pump out puppies to meet this demand. then the cute puppy grows unmanageable and ends up in rescue. its a vicious cycle, with the dogs always the loser if more people took in the second hand dogs, instead of rashly buying a 'shiny new puppy', there wouldnt be a problem.

to be honest, the best thing to do when a breed becomes flavour of the month is to actually breed LESS of them, so that however many get rejected, lots more homes are open to them. but somehow, i cant see cash greedy breeders looking at the longterm welfare of their breeds.

nina isnt actually going out of her way to offend anyone, but she, like so many of us, has seen what can happen. igs are very fragile. not a breed for a household filled with kids etc, but only someone with experience would be aware of that. i have staffords, yet another breed that shouldnt be owned by a 'beginner'. there is a difference, though. with igs, only the dog suffers (broken bones, you name it) with staffords its EVERYONE that can suffer. in the wrong hands, staffords are dangerous to every living thing within sight

so, can you see where nina is coming from? no one with sense breeds dogs because they get featured in a telly ad or whatever. because too many get mistreated and thrown away.

 

[nina]

no matter how 'popular' a breed, demand will never out weigh supply oh, i agree, there will be thousands in rescue, but many people wont even consider a rescue dog. when it comes to people less knowledgeable about any breed, naturally they want a puppy. of course, unscrupulous breeders pump out puppies to meet this demand. then the cute puppy grows unmanageable and ends up in rescue. its a vicious cycle, with the dogs always the loser if more people took in the second hand dogs, instead of rashly buying a 'shiny new puppy', there wouldnt be a problem.

to be honest, the best thing to do when a breed becomes flavour of the month is to actually breed LESS of them, so that however many get rejected, lots more homes are open to them. but somehow, i cant see cash greedy breeders looking at the longterm welfare of their breeds.

nina isnt actually going out of her way to offend anyone, but she, like so many of us, has seen what can happen. igs are very fragile. not a breed for a household filled with kids etc, but only someone with experience would be aware of that. i have staffords, yet another breed that shouldnt be owned by a 'beginner'. there is a difference, though. with igs, only the dog suffers (broken bones, you name it) with staffords its EVERYONE that can suffer. in the wrong hands, staffords are dangerous to every living thing within sight

so, can you see where nina is coming from? no one with sense breeds dogs because they get featured in a telly ad or whatever. because too many get mistreated and thrown away.

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I agree with what you say totally. Poor Staffies have got such a bad name & reputation thru no fault of their own, its not the dogs that are bad at all BUT the unscrupulous people that breed them, we both know that for sure dont we with the area's we live in!!

Bred correctly, brought up correctly they are a wonderful breed. I meet a guy most days on one of my walks & he has 4, all off the lead & they have the most wonderful temperaments ever. Whilst my IG's are doing their normal hysterical barking & war dances these staffs just look on as much as to say "what is your problem"!!! We always stop for a chat & although he doesn't show them he & his family have been in the breed many years & have a great knowledge of them. Like most genuine lovers of the breed he is dismayed at what has happened to the breed.

With any breed you last thing you really want is it being shoved into the limelight whatever the reason as unfortuntely you always have your back street breeders waiting just around the corner for the right opportunity to make a fast buck & it certainly isn't the dogs or breed on the whole's welfare they have at heart.

I've been involved with Rescue for many years now & it never ceases to amaze me the situations some poor dogs end up in thru no fault of their own or the reasons totally uneducated people to the breed they have bought buy them to begin with.

Staffies, IG's, Dalmations whatever the breed you have people who know nothing about their needs or requirements but have bought them to entertain their children, bought them cos their neighbour has one, bought them cos all their friends have one, bought them cos someone said they'd be a good guard dog, the list goes on & on & the lucky ones here end up going thru rescue, the rest......................................

I think most genuine caring people feel the same whatever their chosen breed is, the last thing you want to see is any of them being bred wholesale just to make someone a fast buck.

 

[OEH]

so, can you see where nina is coming from? no one with sense breeds dogs because they get featured in a telly ad or whatever. because too many get mistreated and thrown away.

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I think we can all see where Nina is coming from (we all worry about our special breeds and I can see that there is even more cause for concern with IGs), but I think she needs to relax a little- I don't think that this thread was ever meant to be terribly serious.

As IG breeders are so concientious I think it is highly unlikely that Will Young would ever be able to get hold of one so it is all theoretical and we should try to see the funny side of some of these posts (which I am sure were not meant to be read seriously)

 

[lalena]

yep :thumbsup: if people thought about the suitability of a dog for their family, actually STUDIED what dog raising requires, never mind the individual quirks of various breeds..rescue would only be needed for true emergencies, such as the death of an owner, and not be used as a cleanup operation for the ignorant, lazy, selfish, puppy farmers, etc etc.

everyone decent i've known to breed a litter, only does so when they want one or two pups for themselves, selling only the 'surplus'. usually only after theyve found people who will buy that surplus. they find the best, most complementary stud for their bitch, to breed quality offspring, which again increases the desirability of the surplus. i searched for nearly a year to find the dog i used, and its paid off. every pup is a good specimen of the stafford. bar two, each went to show homes. the way theyre shaping up, i've had the buyers asking about a repeat mating, which wont happen until my bitch has been tested for a new disease and comes back clear.

people after a quick buck would NEVER put in that amount of care, consideration and effort into a litter. you wouldnt get any aftersales help.

 

[nina]

yep :thumbsup: if people thought about the suitability of a dog for their family, actually STUDIED what dog raising requires, never mind the individual quirks of various breeds..rescue would only be needed for true emergencies, such as the death of an owner, and not be used as a cleanup operation for the ignorant, lazy, selfish, puppy farmers, etc etc.everyone decent i've known to breed a litter, only does so when they want one or two pups for themselves, selling only the 'surplus'. usually only after theyve found people who will buy that surplus. they find the best, most complementary stud for their bitch, to breed quality offspring, which again increases the desirability of the surplus. i searched for nearly a year to find the dog i used, and its paid off. every pup is a good specimen of the stafford. bar two, each went to show homes. the way theyre shaping up, i've had the buyers asking about a repeat mating, which wont happen until my bitch has been tested for a new disease and comes back clear.

people after a quick buck would NEVER put in that amount of care, consideration and effort into a litter. you wouldnt get any aftersales help.

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Absolutely, you've hit the nail on the head when you say "never mind the individual quirks of various breeds..rescue would only be needed for true emergencies"

That is a lot of the problem, people just dont realise how breeds differ, they take the attitude a puppy is a puppy!

Well of course it is not, every puppy is different depending on the breed, you have those that are known to be hideously destructive, those that are extremely hard to house break, those that need far more stimulation, those that require less/more exercise, each breed is different just as they grow into adults each breed needs different requirements.

An IG is an IG for all of its life & the care, patience, suitability of the home, fragileness, madness doesn't stop when they are no longer a pup, as with a lot of breeds great care & supervision has to be taken when pups but when adults they virtually are trouble free, this is not so with IG's & to try & make people who think "well its just another dog" understand this is extremely difficult.

I do take the welfare of the breed VERY seriously, as i've unfortunately seen some of the circumstances they have ended up in & because of that i will probably never relax my opinion.

My belief is if you are a genuine caring lover of any breed, the wefare of that breed is of paramount importance to you. If you breed a litter, you have bought them into the world & it is your responsibility to do your best for them.

When you are showing & breeding & own top dogs that maybe used by others & are contributing to the future of this breed especially a breed such as IG's with such a small gene pool, you have to take it seriously if you care about its future.

We are trustees of any breed for such a short time, that it is up to us to do our absolute best by them.

 

[kris]

I personally always refrain from commenting on a breed i know nothing about as i feel unless i am educated or informed enough to make an intelligent comment, why waste people's time.

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I think that's a bit harsh - one of the best things about this forum is that people can discuss things in an open and honest way, but being rude is unecessary and unhelpful.

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hear, hear,sorry nina but i think you do have a serious attitude problem.in a previous discussion on here you rubbished my opinion and told me to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!i think there are more polite ways of telling someone when you disagree with them. ive reread a few of your comments and tbh im not impressed by the way you seem to think you have a god given right to lecture and hector folk who are perfectly well entitled to their opinion even when it doesnt coincide with yours.as far as im concerned EVERY breed is a specialist breed with their own idiosyncracies and foibles.and to rip a piece off a truly nice guy like will young and call him names doesnt add any kudos to your argument.

merry christmas to you too o

 

[jue332]

I personally always refrain from commenting on a breed i know nothing about as i feel unless i am educated or informed enough to make an intelligent comment, why waste people's time.

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I think that's a bit harsh - one of the best things about this forum is that people can discuss things in an open and honest way, but being rude is unecessary and unhelpful.

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hear, hear,sorry nina but i think you do have a serious attitude problem.in a previous discussion on here you rubbished my opinion and told me to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!i think there are more polite ways of telling someone when you disagree with them. ive reread a few of your comments and tbh im not impressed by the way you seem to think you have a god given right to lecture and hector folk who are perfectly well entitled to their opinion even when it doesnt coincide with yours.as far as im concerned EVERY breed is a specialist breed with their own idiosyncracies and foibles.and to rip a piece off a truly nice guy like will young and call him names doesnt add any kudos to your argument.

merry christmas to you too o

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Well said......... NOW CHILL OUT NINA :thumbsup:

Julie

 

[nina]

hear, hear,sorry nina but i think you do have a serious attitude problem.in a previous discussion on here you rubbished my opinion and told me to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!i think there are more polite ways of telling someone when you disagree with them. ive reread a few of your comments and tbh im not impressed by the way you seem to think you have a god given right to lecture and hector folk who are perfectly well entitled to their opinion even when it doesnt coincide with yours.as far as im concerned EVERY breed is a specialist breed with their own idiosyncracies and foibles.and to rip a piece off a truly nice guy like will young and call him names doesnt add any kudos to your argument.merry christmas to you too o

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Excuse me??? I think you best re-read my posts & rather sharpish too because you will NOT find ANYWHERE that i either ripped to peices Will Young or called him names!!

I referred to some "celebrities" parading dogs as fashion accessories. As to my knowledge Will Young does not up to the moment have one this did not obviously apply to him.

I suggest you get your facts straight before you post untrue comments, actually look at whose posts you are reading before you spout off your comments.

No where on this thread have i EVER ripped Will Young to peices, called him any names what so ever, i actually happen to like the guy, just dont want any celebrity using any dog as a fashion accessory.

I now know why i obviously told you before to wake up & smell the coffee, maybe if you woke up & took note of what was actually being said & by whom you would get your facts straight.

 

[nina]

I personally always refrain from commenting on a breed i know nothing about as i feel unless i am educated or informed enough to make an intelligent comment, why waste people's time.

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I think that's a bit harsh - one of the best things about this forum is that people can discuss things in an open and honest way, but being rude is unecessary and unhelpful.

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hear, hear,sorry nina but i think you do have a serious attitude problem.in a previous discussion on here you rubbished my opinion and told me to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!i think there are more polite ways of telling someone when you disagree with them. ive reread a few of your comments and tbh im not impressed by the way you seem to think you have a god given right to lecture and hector folk who are perfectly well entitled to their opinion even when it doesnt coincide with yours.as far as im concerned EVERY breed is a specialist breed with their own idiosyncracies and foibles.and to rip a piece off a truly nice guy like will young and call him names doesnt add any kudos to your argument.

merry christmas to you too o

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Well said......... NOW CHILL OUT NINA :thumbsup:

Julie

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As i have said to your counter part re-red the posts, no where have i either slated Will Young or called him names.

This is all getting a little ridiculous now & turning into out & out slanging matches.

As i said before i make no apologies for caring about the welfare of a breed i have been involved in for many years.

For those that think its fine to breed to supply demand for any breed "Merry Xmas to all the Rescues out there"

Go ahead & continue posting cos i'm not interested anymore. I'm not interested in slanging matches & if as much effort was put in to helping rescue as it is slagging people off i'm sure the world would be a better place.

 

[05whippet]

Lordy days!! I only went away for a second and come back to a murder picture! (w00t) For what it is worth and I have said my piece in a previous post,I think Ig's are a specialist breed as are a lot of the toys and most people getting a new puppy do need to be educated in the breed as much as possible but Ig's are a little bit more difficult to rear from the point of view of breakages whilst their bones are still soft while growing.I also as mentioned before do not think that it is good publicity for any breed to be paraded around like some sort of fashion accessory on a celebritys arm. :angry:

But one thing I will add Nina is not ill mannered or aggressive but is very passionate about this breed as she has seen first hand what happens whenever these little dogs lose their appeal or get damaged in normal household rough and tumble

As said she is'nt a rude person at all,mind you she aint no saint either o but Iwill save that story for another day,what do you reckon Lalena will we let out her secrets? (w00t)

 

[lalena]

Lordy days!! I only went away for a second and come back to a murder picture! (w00t)   For what it is worth and I have said my piece in a previous post,I think Ig's are a specialist breed as are a lot of the toys and most people getting a new puppy do need to be educated in the breed as much as possible but Ig's are a little bit more difficult to rear from the point of view of breakages whilst their bones are still soft while growing.I also as mentioned before do not think that it is good publicity for any breed to be paraded around like some sort of fashion accessory on a celebritys arm. :angry:
But one thing I will add Nina is not  ill mannered or aggressive but is very passionate about this breed  as she has seen first hand what happens whenever these little dogs lose their appeal or get damaged in normal household rough and tumble 

As said she is'nt a rude person at all,mind you she aint no saint either  o but Iwill save that story for another day,what do you reckon Lalena will we let out her secrets?  (w00t)

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dare we??

calm down, nina. WE know your intentions are good :thumbsup: and i for one applaud your dedication to ig welfare :cheers: i get just as passionate about staffords :b and have put my foot in it because of that passion with a few badly expressed comments about the usual type attracted to my breed just keep on caring. these heated posts will die down, but sadly human ignorance wont, and many more dogs out there will need your help :thumbsup:

 

[05whippet]

Lordy days!! I only went away for a second and come back to a murder picture! (w00t)   For what it is worth and I have said my piece in a previous post,I think Ig's are a specialist breed as are a lot of the toys and most people getting a new puppy do need to be educated in the breed as much as possible but Ig's are a little bit more difficult to rear from the point of view of breakages whilst their bones are still soft while growing.I also as mentioned before do not think that it is good publicity for any breed to be paraded around like some sort of fashion accessory on a celebritys arm. :angry:
But one thing I will add Nina is not  ill mannered or aggressive but is very passionate about this breed  as she has seen first hand what happens whenever these little dogs lose their appeal or get damaged in normal household rough and tumble 

As said she is'nt a rude person at all,mind you she aint no saint either  o but Iwill save that story for another day,what do you reckon Lalena will we let out her secrets?  (w00t)

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dare we??

calm down, nina. WE know your intentions are good :thumbsup: and i for one applaud your dedication to ig welfare :cheers: i get just as passionate about staffords :b and have put my foot in it because of that passion with a few badly expressed comments about the usual type attracted to my breed just keep on caring. these heated posts will die down, but sadly human ignorance wont, and many more dogs out there will need your help :thumbsup:

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Hmmmm maybe not,think what might happen to us :teehee:

Nina you are leading us all astray!! :- "

 

[lalena]

Lordy days!! I only went away for a second and come back to a murder picture! (w00t)   For what it is worth and I have said my piece in a previous post,I think Ig's are a specialist breed as are a lot of the toys and most people getting a new puppy do need to be educated in the breed as much as possible but Ig's are a little bit more difficult to rear from the point of view of breakages whilst their bones are still soft while growing.I also as mentioned before do not think that it is good publicity for any breed to be paraded around like some sort of fashion accessory on a celebritys arm. :angry:
But one thing I will add Nina is not  ill mannered or aggressive but is very passionate about this breed  as she has seen first hand what happens whenever these little dogs lose their appeal or get damaged in normal household rough and tumble 

As said she is'nt a rude person at all,mind you she aint no saint either  o but Iwill save that story for another day,what do you reckon Lalena will we let out her secrets?  (w00t)

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dare we??

calm down, nina. WE know your intentions are good :thumbsup: and i for one applaud your dedication to ig welfare :cheers: i get just as passionate about staffords :b and have put my foot in it because of that passion with a few badly expressed comments about the usual type attracted to my breed just keep on caring. these heated posts will die down, but sadly human ignorance wont, and many more dogs out there will need your help :thumbsup:

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Hmmmm maybe not,think what might happen to us :teehee:

Nina you are leading us all astray!! :- "

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we should be ok, afterall, she'll be in the mental ward with that weird cowell fetish just dont forget the tomatoes :- "

you know we love you nina :*

 

[05whippet]

Course we do Nina :huggles: watch out for the tomatoes though :lol:

 

[lalena]

Course we do Nina  :huggles:   watch out for the tomatoes though  :lol:

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where is she, anyway? its not time to kiss simon goodnight,yet come on nina? you'll feel tons better after a spot of freaky head mocking :thumbsup:

 

[BevPh]

Ooooo er!!! I've opened a can of worms here - sorry did'nt mean to!!! :- " It was the first time I'd heard anyone of any celebrity mention this breed on telly. I'm not a Will Young fan fortunately but I really don't think he would ever have this breed he just mentioned that it was a dog he quite liked.

Any how all the posts make interesting reading.

Merry Christmas everyone!!! )

 

[lalena]

:b you can tell we're not so much mature, rather overgrown kids :b

have a good christmas and new year :cheers:

 

[kris]

hear, hear,sorry nina but i think you do have a serious attitude problem.in a previous discussion on here you rubbished my opinion and told me to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!i think there are more polite ways of telling someone when you disagree with them. ive reread a few of your comments and tbh im not impressed by the way you seem to think you have a god given right to lecture and hector folk who are perfectly well entitled to their opinion even when it doesnt coincide with yours.as far as im concerned EVERY breed is a specialist breed with their own idiosyncracies and foibles.and to rip a piece off a truly nice guy like will young and call him names doesnt add any kudos to your argument.merry christmas to you too o

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Excuse me??? I think you best re-read my posts & rather sharpish too because you will NOT find ANYWHERE that i either ripped to peices Will Young or called him names!!

I referred to some "celebrities" parading dogs as fashion accessories. As to my knowledge Will Young does not up to the moment have one this did not obviously apply to him.

I suggest you get your facts straight before you post untrue comments, actually look at whose posts you are reading before you spout off your comments.

No where on this thread have i EVER ripped Will Young to peices, called him any names what so ever, i actually happen to like the guy, just dont want any celebrity using any dog as a fashion accessory.

I now know why i obviously told you before to wake up & smell the coffee, maybe if you woke up & took note of what was actually being said & by whom you would get your facts straight.

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wow thats a surprise the post i referred to has disappeared. amazing! :- "

excuse me while i go to sniff my douwe egberts -_- -_- -_-