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She has attacked me and my partner now. Also we were outside Tesco and a little boy wanted to stroke her she wouldn’t stop growling at him and we took her over to Ollie’s (Her brothers house) and she had a full blown fight teeth out body stiff and also if I hadn’t grabbed her properly then she could have torn his skin. I have been doing some research and could it be Littermate syndrome? I think this because when Samson was at home she was fine but now he has gone she has turned aggressive. What do you think @JoanneF?
 
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Has the VET seen her for this specific issue?
U need to rule out any possible medical causes - this change in behavior is too marked & occurred over too brief a period, assuming that U describe it accurately & that she additionally has no reason to be alarmed, defensive / scared, aroused / excited, or angry.

Also, throwing out various theories as possible causes without properly trying to use B-Mod over AT LEAST as long a time as the issue has existed, is sheer speculation - B-Mod isn't instantaneous, & if the issue is physical / medical, B-mod can do very little. :(

- terry

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No, it isn't littermate syndrome. That is when people get puppies either from the same litter (hence the name) or from different litters but are close in age. The puppies bond with each other to the exclusion of the owner.

She sounds like she doesn't like being touched or handled, and maybe now associates the approach of people (like the child) as unpleasant so growls to alert you and him that she is unhappy. Perhaps you could find a behaviourist to help you work through this face to face. If you say the area of the country you live in we may be able to help.
 
leashedForLife said:
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Has the VET seen her for this specific issue?
U need to rule out any possible medical causes - this change in behavior is too marked & occurred over too brief a period, assuming that U describe it accurately & that she additionally has no reason to be alarmed, defensive / scared, aroused / excited, or angry.

Also, throwing out various theories as possible causes without properly trying to use B-Mod over AT LEAST as long a time as the issue has existed, is sheer speculation - B-Mod isn't instantaneous, & if the issue is physical / medical, B-mod can do very little. :(

- terry

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No she hasn't been seen by the vet but as my old career i was always doing examinations so i did one my self and there seems to be nothing wrong, she has an appointment booked in for next Wednesday so i will ask then.
 
JoanneF said:
No, it isn't littermate syndrome. That is when people get puppies either from the same litter (hence the name) or from different litters but are close in age. The puppies bond with each other to the exclusion of the owner.

She sounds like she doesn't like being touched or handled, and maybe now associates the approach of people (like the child) as unpleasant so growls to alert you and him that she is unhappy. Perhaps you could find a behaviourist to help you work through this face to face. If you say the area of the country you live in we may be able to help.
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Manchester, should i not wait and see if she grows out of this behaviour? or should i address it now?
 
She seems very young to display this kind of behaviour , has she had her inoculations yet? Can you be certain that with all the attention from friends and family, children particularly, that she hasn’t been hurt, even unintentionally ? Children can be a bit rough when playing with puppies and don’t realise how delicate they are at that age .I’d be inclined to keep her away from too many people and let her have some peace, I wouldn't be taking her to Tesco’s , was Olive with her too?
 
Mayblossom said:
She seems very young to display this kind of behaviour , has she had her inoculations yet? Can you be certain that with all the attention from friends and family, children particularly, that she hasn’t been hurt, even unintentionally ? Children can be a bit rough when playing with puppies and don’t realise how delicate they are at that age .I’d be inclined to keep her away from too many people and let her have some peace, I wouldn't be taking her to Tesco’s , was Olive with her too?
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I'm 100% sure that Doris hasn't been hurt by anyone. No Olive wasn't with us, i had to make a quick trip to Tesco so i took her in obviously carried her.
 
Ouch! I just walked into the lounge and Doris did a wee as i walked in so i did my discipline method and so i picked her up to escort her, She has bitten my hand and it really hurt :( i am giving her a 5 min time-out so what should i do? i really hurt my hand and she was extremely snarly when she did it.
 
She doesn't seem to like being handled so maybe stop picking her up. Don't discipline her for toileting, it is your fault she wasn't out before she needed to go.
 
What is your discipline method?
 
JoanneF said:
She doesn't seem to like being handled so maybe stop picking her up. Don't discipline her for toileting, it is your fault she wasn't out before she needed to go.
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but i put her out 5 mins ago for 10 mins. how can i change it. how can i get her in her crate without handling her?
 
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I'm not being the least bit sarcastic when i say that in the USA, U'll hear folks claim that the legal client who represents themselves in court has a fool for a client. Similarly, doctors don't treat their own family members except for the simple basic stuff, like 1st-Aid - emotional involvement or personal bias can have serious fallout, with anything more consequential.
90% of vets won't even spay their own healthy Fs - they might observe, but they'll have a partner in the practice do the actual surgery.

I would suggest that U ask her regular vet about all of this, & preferably sooner than a week-plus. Next Monday would be a week; next Wed is 9-days off. Living with her in this unpredictable & apparently irrational state is good for no one, & is very bad for the puppy, as she is rehearsing unwanted behaviors. The more often they're repeated, the harder they become to re-train. :(

- terry

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This is why I think you need help. You were told yesterday that it is common for puppies to be outside, come in, then toilet again so you bring her in and then minutes later you take her back out.

You don't physically put her in her crate if she doesn't like being handled, you put something fabulous in there and let her go in herself.
 
leashedForLife said:
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I'm not being the least bit sarcastic when i say that in the USA, U'll hear folks claim that the legal client who represents themselves in court has a fool for a client. Similarly, doctors don't treat their own family members except for the simple basic stuff, like 1st-Aid - emotional involvement or personal bias can have serious fallout, with anything more consequential.
90% of vets won't even spay their own healthy Fs - they might observe, but they'll have a partner in the practice do the actual surgery.

I would suggest that U ask her regular vet about all of this, & preferably sooner than a week-plus. Next Monday would be a week; next Wed is 9-days off. Living with her in this unpredictable & apparently irrational state is good for no one, & is very bad for the puppy, as she is rehearsing unwanted behaviors. The more often they're repeated, the harder they become to re-train. :(

- terry

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Would you suggest taking her to puppy training? or a behaviourist
 
I agree with the above, you need professional help. But don't just ask your vet - vets on the whole know very little about dog behaviour. Your vet might be able to recommend a good positive behaviourist though. As well as CAPBT, I believe APDT is good too. Steer clear of anyone who talks about dominance, status, being alpha or using aversives.
 
JudyN said:
I agree with the above, you need professional help. But don't just ask your vet - vets on the whole know very little about dog behaviour. Your vet might be able to recommend a good positive behaviourist though. As well as CAPBT, I believe APDT is good too. Steer clear of anyone who talks about dominance, status, being alpha or using aversives.
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Yes its not her trying to be dominant anyway so that straight away a big NO NO. Should i wait? i forgot to add My nan came over yesterday and Doris bit her and my nan did bleed so I'm not sure what to do. When Olive plays Doris copies and as Olive mouths when she plays could she be mimicking her behaviour ?
 
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