Badger's New Collar

[~JO~]

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I sell collars, mostly at shows, I'm happy to pay to advertise but reading the rules on TMP, I would seem to be commercial and at the moment would need to pay £10 for a 14 day ad. At £15 a collar ( which might not sell!!) it wouldn't be worth while.  I'm happy to pay a percentage per collar sold OR a one off fee for a number of ads, that seems fair. Obviously, I don't expect to advertise for free but feel a percentage of sale price regardless of whether a one off sale or many sales would be fairer. If I sold 20, you would get more commision than if I just sold one or two anyway. Does this make sense? ( Its still early)  :lol:

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Welcome to the world of business Juley, no-one who advertises can guarantee sales, it's hit and miss, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. What you have to work out is how cost effective it is and the only way you can do that is trial and error. I wish I could buy advertising and pay £10 for 14 days (at present), to a specialist audience on a world wide basis.

Jenny

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Oh come on - K9 is a meant 'community' and some of our members make items - they are hardly big multinationals. Surely as they are member of the 'K9 community' - they don't just come on here to promote their wares they make lots of posts and contribute generally.

Surely the best the thing is that a -percentage is donated for every item sold via K9 - members can then post if they want to with photos. Perhaps the marketplace could have listings of those that sell items and they pay a 6 monthly fee of say £20. Then anyone looking to buy a collar or bed or whatever can see ALL of those that wish to pay to list on the marketplace. Plus K9 get a percentage for every item sold - a lot better and it may not upset people and you moderators may not have to spend so much time double checking posts and decideding when they are a 'close associate' - and how can that be judged anyway!!!

 

[Rae]

So what about the threads I put links too above - presumably these are breaking the rules as well?

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Looks like it.

I don't want to stop genuine interesting posts about things people have bought. But when the post is deliberately put on to allow traders to continue to advertise their goods for free we have to draw a line.

Are these traders (who have built a large portion of their business through K9) really so tight that they resent paying towards the upkeep of K9 and to charity?

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Thanks for explaining Nigel.

I can see both sides of this - I like reading about the collars/coats/beds people have bought and I can also see that K9 is a great and very targetted marketing opportunity for members talented enough to make them. I dont think it's unreasonable that they contribute towards the upkeep of K9. Would it work if there were a section for 'satisfied customers' for posts such as this, and the 'trader' would have to pay a fee to allow their goods to be posted in there?

 

[chelynnah]

Um, I've run a business for many years, I understood it was £10 per item per 14 days. In my case £10 for every collar, not a general advert for all my wares. That is why I've not advertised, I don't break rules deliberately.  Almost all my sales have come from shows, I ask that anyone who orders something I haven't got in stock,  lets me know it has arrived safely, no more than that. I have a website with my wares on, I don't mention that on here either.  I buy advertising for our business, Nigel said he was open to suggestions, mine was to have a percentage. If you don't wish to do that, that is fine by me, I don't wish to pay £10 per 14 days, about £260 per year. Frankly, I sell enough without advertising them every day.

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I think there's confusion - the £10 for 14 days to my understanding as a moderator is to have an ad advertising that you make and sell collars (plural) and for people to get in touch.

The percentage is the auction place where you can sell an individual collar, but not advertise anything else but the one collar.

That's my take on it as a board mod and the way I've understood it from the start of the marketplace.

Wendy

 

[Nigel]

TC - No comments were aimed at you. There is a way around it... we can rewrite the rules. But there is a firm stand and that is that advertising on K9 is unfortunately no longer free. The difficulty is writing rules that are fair to everyone, are easy to understand and easy to implement.

Juley - Thanks for those comments. We decided a few days ago to reduce the commercial advertising charges but I'm still not sure we've got everything right. So your comments are useful - watch this space. As it stands the £10 charge is for an advert with as many items as you want in a single post - I think that is a fair charge.

Loopy - so people are only allowed to say look what a lovely xyz I bought if they purchased it via an advertiser on the forum?

~Jo~ & Rae - thanks, there's some interesting proposals there.

chelynnah - yes that's right

We will continue to work on getting this right...

 

[kirislin]

Good on you Nigel for listening. :thumbsup:

Linda

 

[Rae]

Perhaps the marketplace could have listings of those that sell items and they pay a 6 monthly fee of say £20. Then anyone looking to buy a collar or bed or whatever can see ALL of those that wish to pay to list on the marketplace. Plus K9 get a percentage for every item sold -

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Yes that's what I meant too Jo. A good point of reference for members, who can also see pictures of the goods being modelled, and the traders get their details pinned for a fee.

 

[Rae]

Loopy - so people are only allowed to say look what a lovely xyz I bought if they purchased it via an advertiser on the forum?
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Yes I can see that being another problem - otherwise it's free advertising for a non paying / non member. Unless that trader could be encouraged to pay too?

 

[BeeJay]

There are bound to be a few teething problems with a new forum like this one. Simply because the rules have changed and it will take a while for this to lodge in people's minds so mistakes will be made.

I think that Rae's suggestion of a section within the market place for satisfied customers is a good one. :thumbsup: When I looked at TC's post I wasn't aware that Dawn had advertised a collar for sale in The Market Place. So her post didn't work very well to promote the sale of Dawn's collars on here. If I had wanted one from her then I'd have had to pm her and buy it off the board rather than via it. So a link to her advert would have been useful. :thumbsup: (Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing though )

 

[TC]

TC - No comments were aimed at you. There is a way around it... we can rewrite the rules. But there is a firm stand and that is that advertising on K9 is unfortunately no longer free. The difficulty is writing rules that are fair to everyone, are easy to understand and easy to implement.
Juley - Thanks for those comments. We decided a few days ago to reduce the commercial advertising charges but I'm still not sure we've got everything right. So your comments are useful - watch this space. As it stands the £10 charge is for an advert with as many items as you want in a single post - I think that is a fair charge.

Loopy - so people are only allowed to say look what a lovely xyz I bought if they purchased it via an advertiser on the forum?

~Jo~ & Rae - thanks, there's some interesting proposals there.

chelynnah - yes that's right

We will continue to work on getting this right...

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Sorry, had to log off for a while :blink:

Thanks for the post Nigel, although I do feel that I have been accused of being one of the selfish ones...which does hurt. I don't want to be negative, and I'm really trying not to, but that bit is the truth

Thanks for the positive response to everyone though :thumbsup:

I do understand that people have now got to pay for advertising, I don't understand that I can't be me. It makes me want to pull up all my posts about everything I've ever bought...there are millions! Just to justify that I am not doing anything different to what I have always done.

Also, can I just ask? If we are talking about non members goods and stuff, does that mean we can't now tell anyone about links and stuff? Again, this is a genuine question.

TCx

edited to say that I think it is great that you are trying to take everything on board and maybe re-write the rules :thumbsup:

 

[Juley]

TC - No comments were aimed at you. There is a way around it... we can rewrite the rules. But there is a firm stand and that is that advertising on K9 is unfortunately no longer free. The difficulty is writing rules that are fair to everyone, are easy to understand and easy to implement.
Juley - Thanks for those comments. We decided a few days ago to reduce the commercial advertising charges but I'm still not sure we've got everything right. So your comments are useful - watch this space. As it stands the £10 charge is for an advert with as many items as you want in a single post - I think that is a fair charge.

Loopy - so people are only allowed to say look what a lovely xyz I bought if they purchased it via an advertiser on the forum?

~Jo~ & Rae - thanks, there's some interesting proposals there.

chelynnah - yes that's right

We will continue to work on getting this right...

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Thanks for clarifying that Nigel. I took it that as I make them for sale, I had to pay £10 for EACH ONE not for a "job lot" so to speak. I think from your post that if I want to sell one at a time, I can do it on the auction site at a percentage but if I want to advertise a whole lot of wares then I need to pay £10 for fortnight. Which is fair enough. I mis-understood, so I asked for clarification.

 

[quintessence]

Sorry, I might not be able to contribute for a little while just had a very serious shoplifting incident and now have to do the necessary, but I promise to get back and read all the responses as soon as I can.

Jenny

 

[TC]

Sorry, I might not be able to contribute for a little while just had a very serious shoplifting incident and now have to do the necessary, but I promise to get back and read all the responses as soon as I can.
Jenny

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Sorry to hear that Jenny, and I hope they caught whoever it was

 

[Juley]

Um, I've run a business for many years, I understood it was £10 per item per 14 days. In my case £10 for every collar, not a general advert for all my wares. That is why I've not advertised, I don't break rules deliberately.  Almost all my sales have come from shows, I ask that anyone who orders something I haven't got in stock,  lets me know it has arrived safely, no more than that. I have a website with my wares on, I don't mention that on here either.  I buy advertising for our business, Nigel said he was open to suggestions, mine was to have a percentage. If you don't wish to do that, that is fine by me, I don't wish to pay £10 per 14 days, about £260 per year. Frankly, I sell enough without advertising them every day.

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I think there's confusion - the £10 for 14 days to my understanding as a moderator is to have an ad advertising that you make and sell collars (plural) and for people to get in touch.

The percentage is the auction place where you can sell an individual collar, but not advertise anything else but the one collar.

That's my take on it as a board mod and the way I've understood it from the start of the marketplace.

Wendy

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Thanks Wendy, I understand now, I was confused.............again!! (w00t) One more question, if we sell the one item, who and how do we pay the commision to?

 

[Nigel]

Just to justify that I am not doing anything different to what I have always done.
Also, can I just ask? If we are talking about non members goods and stuff, does that mean we can't now tell anyone about links and stuff? Again, this is a genuine question.

TCx

edited to say that I think it is great that you are trying to take everything on board and maybe re-write the rules  :thumbsup:

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No you are not doing anything different but the rules have changed so as it stands at this moment that type of post is not OK. I would like to think we can modify the rules so under certain circumstances you would be able to make such posts again.

Sorry I don't quite understand the last question. Is it not answered by

"Promotion of any goods or services where the poster or their close associates are the supplier of the goods or services is only acceptable in ‘The Market Place’. As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales."

 

[TC]

Just to justify that I am not doing anything different to what I have always done.
Also, can I just ask? If we are talking about non members goods and stuff, does that mean we can't now tell anyone about links and stuff? Again, this is a genuine question.

TCx

edited to say that I think it is great that you are trying to take everything on board and maybe re-write the rules  :thumbsup:

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No you are not doing anything different but the rules have changed so as it stands at this moment that type of post is not OK. I would like to think we can modify the rules so under certain circumstances you would be able to make such posts again.

Sorry I don't quite understand the last question. Is it not answered by

"Promotion of any goods or services where the poster or their close associates are the supplier of the goods or services is only acceptable in ‘The Market Place’. As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales."

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(w00t) It is :thumbsup:

Sorry :b I haven't had much sleep!

Thanks for taking everything on board, and it will be great if you can work it so I can still say thanks for all the gorgeous stuff I get :wub:

TCx

 

[Juley]

If you have a number or range of items or services for sale on a regular and repeating basis then that is probably commercial advertising.

This is the bit I found confusing and why i thought I would be classed commercial. I have more than one collar. However :- " I now understand from the mods that I can sell one at a time for 5% minimum of the selling price?

 

[whippetsrus]

Just to say that the new photos of Badger are lovely. He certainly growing up.

 

[Nigel]

If you have a number or range of items or services for sale on a regular and repeating basis then that is probably commercial advertising.
This is the bit I found confusing and why i thought I would be classed commercial. I have more than one collar. However :- "  I now understand from the mods that I can sell one at a time for 5% minimum of the selling price?

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Well - as the rules are at the moment auction advertisements are only open to private sellers. But this may change.

 

[Judy]

Yes Juley - I think you've got it right now :thumbsup:

If you are selling one specific item as a private seller (ie this particular 12" pink collar) then you can put it up for auction for a 5% fee.

If however you are selling this collar and advertise that you will make any other colour or size you want then that is multiple items. If you are selling a range of goods then you are a commercial seller and instead of auctioning you pay (at the moment anyway - it might change) £10 for a 2 week advert flat fee for the lot, no matter how many you sell.

 

[Juley]

I'm truly not being difficult, but you are saying different things. (w00t) . I really don't want to break rules. OK. I make lots of different design collars. Can I sell one on the auction at a fixed price as long as I don't sell another in the same design and colour in the future. If yes, can I sell another when that is gone in a different colour/design? Obviously I won't mention that I have others available. If I can't that is fine. I'm happy to pay if I choose to advertise but I don't want a blanket advert, I just want to sell the odd collar in trims that are less popular!