Badger's New Collar

[TC]

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Just to say that the new photos of Badger are lovely.  He certainly growing up.

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love the collar tracey ,it will sit badger down to the ground :thumbsup:   :wub:

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Well I just wanted to say Badger looks scrumptious :wub: love his fat paws AND the collar is very very smart :cheers: look forward to seeing the handsome chap in it when he's big enough :huggles:

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Thanks Guys,

He's so gorgeous and I think the collar will look beautiful on him :wub:

TCx

 

[Nigel]

I'm truly not being difficult, but you are saying different things.  (w00t) . I really don't want to break rules. OK. I make lots of different design collars. Can I sell one on the auction at a fixed price as long as I don't sell another in the same design and colour in the future. If yes, can I sell another when that is gone in a different colour/design? Obviously I won't mention that I have others available. If I can't that is fine. I'm happy to pay if I choose to advertise but I don't want a blanket advert, I just want to sell the odd collar in trims that are less popular!

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I think what you're suggesting sounds fine in principal and as things stand would be fine as a private seller. If however you are a commercial seller then the auction route is not available.

The idea behind the commercial advertising was that a trader could put on any number of items, put made to order items on, add links to sales web sites etc. But that type of advertisement doesn't fit in with the auction type sale and so to make things easier (w00t) it was decided to not allow auctions for commercial advertisers.

I suspect you really are running a business (perhaps it is small & only grown out of a hobby) but nevertheless it probably really is a business and therefore the auction type of sale is not available to you.

I can see however that an auction would be attractive to you and possibly we look at including this soon.

 

[Juley]

That is absolutely fine, I have no problem with being classed as commercial. If you do decide to open the auction facility to all, can I make a couple of suggestions. Firstly to stop people being ridiculous, I would limit the number of auctions to be put on at one time to ,say four or five. Seconly, by opening it up to all, you would know if an item had been sold by the post, stopping anyone from saying they had, had no sales. Doesn't matter to me, I can only make a limited number due to health problems, I don't want to make/sell dozens. I just wanted the rules clarified. I love K9 for the chat and the friendship, not to plug my wares!! :thumbsup:

 

[Nigel]

Thanks Juley - we'll take what you've said on board.

 

[whippetmad]

Badger will look very very handsome with his new collar :wub: :wub:

 

[Janimal]

I had to log off and come back and ......oops didnt know what was going on here..

Tracy I would just like to add Badger is looking more gorgeous each day... :wub: :wub: and I love his new collar too... :huggles: he will look seriously handsome in that,... :thumbsup:

 

[Nigel]

Can I make it clear to all advertisers that if they are trade advertisers they should make themselves aware of the Business Advertisements (Disclosure) Order 1977.

This legally requires all trade advertisers to make it clear in their adverts that they are trade. Failure to comply with this order carries a maximum fine of £5000 or 6 months imprisonment or both.

Although this order doesn't apply to auction advertisements if you place an auction advertisement and then say something to the effect that you have other items available or other colours available etc. this order will apply to you.

 

[nicky12]

oo my its all happening here ...i started making my own collars and beds and stuff because its soo expensive to buy from shops ext and now having 3 i would have to buy for im glad i did ..but iv also made a lot for k9 members and in most cases dont make anything at all on what i sell and im shure people who iv made stuff for will vouch for that ..just thought i was helping my fellow k9 friends as it expensive enough keeping our dogs .

 

[Nigel]

The problem with this is it's very difficult defining what a business is. Trading Standards say

"The legislation applies to almost all advertisements that offer goods for sale in the course of a business".

I guess it's up to the individual to decide if they are running a business. We however also have a legal responsibility to ensure advertisers on the Market Place make it clear whether they are trade.

 

[Janimal]

Does this mean we can still buy from K9ers ....or do it privately by pm...Im still not sure ...I love buying things for my dogs and Nicky has made me some things but she didnt advertise as such just show the goods, then I asked if she could make me one ....is this still classed as advertising then...??

strange... :blink:

 

[Nigel]

Does this mean we can still buy from K9ers ....or do it privately by pm...Im still not sure

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You can buy from whoever you want. What we are talking about here is sellers and they are not permitted to advertise their goods anywhere on K9 except in the Market Place.

 

[Juley]

Ok, like I said, its your site and I'm not bothered about advertising and selling on here. I'd like to use the auction part for the odd collar but respect that I can't. :thumbsup:

What I'm more confused about it what i can and can't post. This is very tongue in cheek and I'm not trying to offend :lol: . If I post a pic of my girls, who wear collars 24/7 (obviously made by me) that isn't OK in case someone asks about the collars. If someone who bought a collar from me ( who is also a friend) posts a pic of their dog wearing it, thats not Ok in case someone asks about it. However, if they are a stranger or we fall out, (w00t) then its fine to give a link to me on my website. :wacko: I'm fine about not being able to advertise but it is a little hard if anyone puts a pic up ( not talking about loads of similar posts just the odd one) that has some goods in it made by a k9-er and then gets asked about it!!

Al least my "in the show ring" pix have just a show lead in them, I don't make them and am not good friends with the supplier. Like I said, no offense meant, just my take on the rules. :lol:

 

[Nigel]

What I'm more confused about it what i can and can't post.

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I think you'll have to use your common sense.

Of course it's ok to post pictures of your dogs wearing their collars but it's not ok to say 'Don't they look nice in their collars, I made them myself & sell them by the way'. Likewise it's not ok for a friend to buy one of your collars and then post saying 'look at this collar I just bought off Juley - she sells them you know'

 

[Strike Whippets]

What I'm more confused about it what i can and can't post.

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I think you'll have to use your common sense.

Of course it's ok to post pictures of your dogs wearing their collars but it's not ok to say 'Don't they look nice in their collars, I made them myself & sell them by the way'. Likewise it's not ok for a friend to buy one of your collars and then post saying 'look at this collar I just bought off Juley - she sells them you know'

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Well thats made it clear now dear ......I shan't say where Lethals collar came from then :lol:

 

[chelynnah]

Well thats made it clear now dear    ......I shan't say where Lethals collar came from then  :lol:

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I'll pm you for the info then shall I? (JUST JOKING)

Wendy

 

[melanie]

i just want to say that the collar is lovely as is badger, :wub:

iv just had two lovely collar's and a bed, im so glad i didnt post anything as i didnt know about these new rules, but i do now, which is a good thing

 

[TC]

i just want to say that the collar is lovely as is badger,  :wub:

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Thanks Melanie...I think he is gorg too :wub: :wub: :wub: and I just lurve the collar, think it's going to look scrummy :thumbsup:

 

[Juley]

i just want to say that the collar is lovely as is badger,  :wub: iv just had two lovely collar's and a bed, im so glad i didnt post anything as i didnt know about these new rules, but i do now, which is a good thing 

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Thats my point though!! :lol: I don't know you personally so you would be able to say where you got the collars from ( at least I think thats right). Someone I know well, would not! (w00t) :cheers: Wendy, PM's, of course, that would be the sensible thing to do.

 

[dawn]

It appears that I have been logged onto K9 most of the day, but I have not actually been at my PC so have not responded on this thread. I have now read the messages in this thread.

As did Juley, my interpretation of the £10 advertising fee was per item and as such felt was totally impractical. I now understand that this interpretation is incorrect and an advert covers all items in that advert, is that correct? eg if I advertise a coat, a lead, a set of dog bowls, a dog bed, a muzzle, a hound mitt and a stripping knife this will cost me £10 for a fortnight? If I have a whippet model to sell would this cost me £10 to sell on K9? If I advertise the SYWC results books on here does this cost £10?

How do items such as the K9 Christmas card’s fit in with this? Will these cost the artist £10 to ‘advertise’? (I am not singling out anyone just using this as a point of interest).

Similar to the initial post on this thread - I posted a photo of a painting ZoeG did for us for our wedding anniversary – was this advertising? Was advertising mentioned in any reply to that post? Of course not, it was posted in good faith and without any thoughts of ‘advertising’ and taken as such. So why was the current thread, started by TC, commented on by Jenny intimating it was advertising collars? I know this was not specifically mentioned by Jenny but clearly her comment ‘suggests’ that.

It did appear (to me) that I had been singled out for comment which, from other comments on this thread, may be incorrect, but when I have given items away and the recipients have posted on here it is THEIR decision to post and not mine and as such I should not be condemned.

The rules do need clarifying –

For example I cannot agree with the quote

As an example it is alright to post in General Whippet a link to a site selling a collar you have bought as long you or a close associate are not the ones supplying the collars. This post would not be acceptable if you knew the seller personally or stood to make any gain from further sales.

as many people who post on here know each other from other activities / showing / racing etc. and this would preclude them from posting their thanks for a gift. There is a post on K9 in respect of a very nice collar with a link to a commercial site. The poster lives in Aberdeen and the site owner lives in Aberdeen – is this a close relationship – should this poster be ‘warned’?
I do think Juley’s suggestion of a percentage of sales should be considered fully although how this could me monitored is beyond me. The sales generated from an advert on K9 or on TheWhippetForum or just by personal contacts etc. cannot be separated as many people read K9 / TheWhippetForum etc and speak to me at shows.

We at Aphrael have been members of K9 from early days and have often advised people to visit the site for good advice and friendly information. We supported K9 when the board was being condemned in the national dog press. Unfortunately I feel that a lot of that goodwill has disappeared with more and more antagonism being aired. I know I can no longer advise anyone to visit K9 nor become a member.

I will no longer post on here although Richard will continue to do so using this account.

BTW I was told only last week, by Mark Roberts,that K9 are looking into advertisements for puppies and stud-dogs in the Market Place although this is dissed in this thread. Which is correct?

 

[doris]

aw, I wish someone would give me nice doggy presents

Monty says he thinks Badger's name suits him perfectly and he is looking forward to seeing him grow up, but he also says can you get a girl next time? In a pretty pink collar :b