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NOT the dreaded Emma Milne, did you read the appalling rubbish she wrote in a dog magazine about Greyhounds? Frankly, I wouldn't wrap my chips in the newspaper if she has an article in it. (w00t) :rant:
 
Juley said:
NOT the dreaded Emma Milne, did you read the appalling rubbish she wrote in a dog magazine about Greyhounds?  Frankly, I wouldn't wrap my chips in the newspaper if she has an article in it.  (w00t)   :rant:
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Just what I was thinking!!!

The article she wrote on Greyhounds was a disgrace, I wouldn't listen to a word she had to say :rant:
 
rls22 said:
Juley said:
NOT the dreaded Emma Milne, did you read the appalling rubbish she wrote in a dog magazine about Greyhounds?  Frankly, I wouldn't wrap my chips in the newspaper if she has an article in it.  (w00t)   :rant:
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Just what I was thinking!!!

The article she wrote on Greyhounds was a disgrace, I wouldn't listen to a word she had to say :rant:

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Link?

I'm a glutton for punishment!
 
From reading through the posts on lurcher link it would appear that she has made an apology in this months magazine, I would be very interested to read it if anyone here subscribes and could scan it :thumbsup:

Also interesting that this months issue has a greyhound on the cover and 12 pages on greyhounds as pets :- "
 
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maybe we should invite her on k9 to see the ex racing greyhounds that have been succsessfully rehomed some with cats and other small pets stupid women :rant: :rant:
 
Well I think we are all of the same opinion about this silly girl who calls herself a Vet then!! LOL!! If I was the great and good at the RCVS I think I would want to distance myself from her!
 
rls22 said:
From reading through the posts on lurcher link it would appear that she has made an apology in this months magazine, I would be very interested to read it if anyone here subscribes and could scan it  :thumbsup:
Also interesting that this months issue has a greyhound on the cover and 12 pages on greyhounds as pets  :- "

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I've read it - and read the first article, which seemed to me to be immensely sane. What she was saying was:

a) she'd had a very bad personal experience in which a dog under her care had died after being attacked by two greyhounds - this is true. She didn't say it was always the case, just that this was her experience

b) this had led her to think about the greyhound industry and why so many dogs were bred for very short on-track lives (that is, they don't race for very long) and were then dumped on the rehoming centres which were drowning in dogs - this is beyond doubt.

c) that, given this, isn't it time we took another look at the greyhound industry and questioned whether it was right in the current day and age to produce so many dogs with such unstable/uncertain futures. Some of them clearly make very good pets - she did say this - many don't have that opportunity

She did then publish an apology, which is so utterly typical of Dogs Today. If they'd stood by the original article and explained what she said after the howls of 'genocide' from the people who can't read basic english, they might have started a sane debate. Instead, Beverly Cuddy was her usual spineless self, rolled over and played dead and we're back to speaking in pictures for the hard of hearing with the emotional/intellectual range of a block of wood

it's immensely sad, really - anyone who thinks the current greyhound breeding practise is a good one is welcome to their opinions, but I'd be very interested in hearing a single argument that wasn't based on the finances...

m
 
I can assure you that I can read English, I also think I have slightly more intelligence than a block of wood, HOWEVER, I personally think that Ms Milne wrote her article following an extemely upsetting incident and without taking time to stop and think of the consequences of her words. She did not write a balanced article about the pros and cons of rehoming ex racing Greys. She didn't mention that there have been many, many successful Greys rehomed. Plus, when a well known Vet uses such words as "murderous instincts" when referring to a breed it is hardly a fair description, rather like referring to Rottweilers as "toddler killers". We all know that things happen sometimes that are terribly upsetting. I think though, that this is an article that should never have been printed.
 
Speaking as someone who is perfectly capable of reading and understanding English, I still stand by my opinion that this article was disgusting and should never ever have gone to print.

There are huge numbers of people who take a vets word as gospel and upon reading this would never ever consider rehoming a greyhound, which is incredibly sad. The damage that this article might have done to all those in rescue is massive.

It is just like when people write the horrendous articles about SBT's, Dobermann's asking for the breed to be banned. :rant:
 
The greyhound racing INDUSTRY is certainly not popular with most of the rest of the dog-loving world, however, the core concept I would have taken away from that article which appeared to me to be in a pet lover magazine more than a magazine pitched to serious breeders and people who shape policy was that a retired racing greyhound was potentially a lethal killer and this would dissuade me from adopting one.

I can't imagine any scenario under which either proponents of greyhound racing OR opponents of greyhound racing would want to discourage the adoption of healthy dogs who would otherwise be put to sleep. Every single greyhound adoption agency I am aware of is very upfront about retired track greyhounds being not suitable for homes with small non-canine housepets, such as cats, ferrets, guinea pigs, etc. They also recommend that the dogs are kept securely fenced or walked on a leash so as to avoid their prey drive becoming an issue in the neighborhood, and to keep them safe from HBC.

Greyhounds are among the LEAST dog aggressive of all dogs, although there are individual examples of bitch fights.

If someone wants to ban greyhound racing because it promotes inhumane overbreeding practices, I will hear that case.

If someone wants to ban it because it propagates dogs with prey drive and chase instinct, then I am opposed to that. It is not a very broad leap between that argument, and saying that all of us with hounds who chase, hunt, or kill their prey, or anyone who breeds a dog who is protective by nature, is breeding "dangerous dogs".

What is presented about greyhounds to the public is very germane to Whippet breeders.
 
Juley said:
I can assure you that I can read English, I also think I have slightly more intelligence than a block of wood, HOWEVER, I personally think that Ms Milne wrote her article following an extemely upsetting incident and without taking time to stop and think of the consequences of her words.  She did not write a balanced article about the pros and cons of rehoming ex racing Greys. She didn't mention that there have been many, many successful Greys rehomed. Plus, when a well known Vet uses such words as "murderous instincts" when referring to a breed it is hardly a fair description, rather like referring to Rottweilers as "toddler killers".  We all know that things happen sometimes that are terribly upsetting. I think though, that this is an article that should never have been printed.
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Greyhounds are bred to kill. Therefore they have murderous instincts. They can be trained out of them, but it takes time and effort.

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it was an opinion piece. I'd have said that in our current climate, more than anything else, I'd go by the principle that, 'I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it.'

The woman's allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with your reading of what she said, but you're allowed to have your opinion too - that's the nature of a democracy.

I still think the argument could have been moved forward and become something valid instead of the saccharine efforts to sanctify the greyhound that has taken place instead. (I like greyhounds a lot, my lurcher is half greyhound and I can walk her through a field of sheep - actually, I can hunt her through a field of sheep - but I know exactly what it took to bring her prey drive under control)

m
 
Eceni said:
Juley said:
I can assure you that I can read English, I also think I have slightly more intelligence than a block of wood, HOWEVER, I personally think that Ms Milne wrote her article following an extemely upsetting incident and without taking time to stop and think of the consequences of her words.  She did not write a balanced article about the pros and cons of rehoming ex racing Greys. She didn't mention that there have been many, many successful Greys rehomed. Plus, when a well known Vet uses such words as "murderous instincts" when referring to a breed it is hardly a fair description, rather like referring to Rottweilers as "toddler killers".  We all know that things happen sometimes that are terribly upsetting. I think though, that this is an article that should never have been printed.
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Greyhounds are bred to kill. Therefore they have murderous instincts. They can be trained out of them, but it takes time and effort.

and

it was an opinion piece. I'd have said that in our current climate, more than anything else, I'd go by the principle that, 'I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it.'

The woman's allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with your reading of what she said, but you're allowed to have your opinion too - that's the nature of a democracy.

I still think the argument could have been moved forward and become something valid instead of the saccharine efforts to sanctify the greyhound that has taken place instead. (I like greyhounds a lot, my lurcher is half greyhound and I can walk her through a field of sheep - actually, I can hunt her through a field of sheep - but I know exactly what it took to bring her prey drive under control)

m

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all dogs have the instinct to kill its how their ancestors the wolf survives in the wild i really dont think that slating any breed is really going to help that article certainly hasnt helped thats for sure :( and i must add that i have never met an agressive ex racer they make fantastic pets its about learning about the breed and as a vet she should know better than to slate any breed
 
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All dogs are bred ( or were) for a purpose. Guarding breeds are bred to guard. Would you support an article written by someone who had witnessed a dog attack by a guarding breed on a child who referred to the breed as murderous? Everyone is entitled to an opinion BUT when you are a public figure you have to be careful NOT to show a bias. You may have read into her article something different to me, I have no problem discussing the pros and cons of the racing industry but that is not how I read her article, neither did many other people.

I also applaud the fact that the magazine have taken steps to right what is seem by many as a terrible wrong to the Greyhound breed. You may call Beverley Cuddy spineless, I think it takes guts to say sorry and admit a mistake has been made. I would be interested in reading the latest edition, I shall look out for a copy.
 
First of all why are Greyhounds being discussed on a Whippet showing board? The word murderous is an emotive word with awful connatations,making the breed sound like mindless killers. Quite frankly Eceni Im not sure why you want a Sighthound because one of the things that make Sighthounds so special and different is their ability and instinct to chase and hunt and all of us who own Sighthounds are well aware of what we have. It is very very sad that a dog was killed by Greyhounds but Greyhounds are not the only breed to kill another dog.

Yet again a vet has stepped in to cause more trouble for another breed , not content on signing the death warrant on a lot of SBTs, insisting, wrongly that they were Pit Bulls now whose next on the list. Yes racing Greyhounds do get the short straw but there are a lot of people and organisations that are moving heaven and earth to to help them. What they dont need is yet another vet scaremongering .

There is a forum for Greyhounds Eceni why dont you take your views over there and see what the Greyhound people have to say to you.

Nicky
 
Eceni said:
The Pets Parliament has been established to secure ratification of the European Convention for the Protection of Pet Animals, which has already been signed by more than 20 countries. 

The convention highlights a list of breed characteristics that need to be modified for the dogs' best interests and also bans breeding if the two animals share a grandparent.

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I hope they don't get on to our marriage laws too, as it is perfectly legal in Britain to marry and breed with your cousin with whom you share 2 grandparents. :p

(I am not saying that there are no genetic health issues in humans though)
 
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