Cryptorchism

[Trish]

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When Rafferty was about 6 months old we realised he only had one testicle & the vet advised castration. We were going to have him done anyway at some point so he was done then. It turned out that the other testicle was still in his abdomen & had ligament wrapped round it so would never have descended naturally.Not wanting to worry you Trish but he was quite poorly after the op, he was obviously in pain even though he had a painkiller after the op. I had to take him back the next day for another one. He also had what looked like a fit coming out of the aenasthetic, apparently it could have been a reaction to ketamine.

It was a much bigger op than a regular castrate, more like a spay as they had to go into his abdomen but he was fine after a couple of days :thumbsup:

Hope this hasn't worried you, good luck with Kiplin, hopefully it'll drop by itself :- "

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operations do put you off ,and we have had 5 bitches speyed, we decided on a male this time so we didnt need to go through a anaesetic again.

one bitch was in pain for two days after her op and molly the other was throwing up bile all the day after her spey ,then she needed antibiotics to sort her out,its a awful time and one im dreading .

 

[jezza]

An increase of 12% where the underlying rate is almost zero IS a significant increase.

The percentage in question seems to derive from a paper "A cohort study of canine testicular neoplasia", where it is calculated as 12.7 cases per 1000 dog years, but it isn't clear from precisely what the overall percentages are from this.

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I am bit cautious about looking at these USA studies. To start with the dogs were not Whippets, the Swedish study of Whippets, done over many years, shown almost 0 risk.

In the USA there is a big push for desexing, and one of the angle is that unless you desex and desex young, your dog will certainly die of cancer of testicles or ovaries, prostate or mammary cancer. There are heaps of studies making these claims, which are quite misleading, from discussions on American forums it seems that they do have lot of cancers in their dogs anyway, all desexed and some young. Just recently there were 2 cases of prostate cancer in very young and early-desexed dogs being discussed.

I am not sure how aggressive is a testicular cancer in dogs, that is a question to ask the vet, but I would assume that to wait till he is about 2 would not pose a risk, as it takes a time for cancer to develop.

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Seraphina, do you have a link to this swedish study? Has it been published anywhere? I can gain access to medical journals at work, not sure about veterinary but I'll have a go - I just need the authors names. I would be very interested to read a study undertaken on whippets.

I don't know how aggressive testicular cancer is, but I think the point is that because the testicles are hidden, the cancer is not usually spotted until it has spread.

 

[Seraphina]

Seraphina, do you have a link to this swedish study? Has it been published anywhere? I can gain access to medical journals at work, not sure about veterinary but I'll have a go - I just need the authors names. I would be very interested to read a study undertaken on whippets.

No but it is one of our swedish friends here who knows all about it, I think "Playawhile". I believe the study was very comprehensive and is still going on, almost 2 decades. Sorry my computer is just about to crash, again :rant: , so i cannot look for more info, I am sure Henrik will not mind you emailing him.

I don't know how aggressive testicular cancer is, but I think the point is that because the testicles are hidden, the cancer is not usually spotted until it has spread.

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That is why i would not wait for ever, but another year or so should be OK.

 

[Joanna]

Hi Trish,

I am really sorry that poor little Kiplin has this condition and I think you are doing the right thing by looking into all avenues before deciding on your course of action.

If it was me, I would certainly have the op, the risk of cancer is increased by leaving the testicles in situ, and that would be my justification for surgery.

we never thought to check and when we got him home thought they would appear as he got older

Are you saying that Kiplin had no visible testicles from the day you collected him?

i have notified the breeder and they was unaware of kiplins condition.

If the answer to my question is "yes", I think the breeder is being less than honest with you. I would imagine most reputable breeders will tell you that ensuring two testicles have descended is normal practice. :rant:

Good luck with whatever you decide for the little fellow :luck:

 

[Trish]

Hi Trish,I am really sorry that poor little Kiplin has this condition and I think you are doing the right thing by looking into all avenues before deciding on your course of action.

If it was me, I would certainly have the op, the risk of cancer is increased by leaving the testicles in situ, and that would be my justification for surgery.

we never thought to check and when we got him home thought they would appear as he got older

Are you saying that Kiplin had no visible testicles from the day you collected him?

i have notified the breeder and they was unaware of kiplins condition.

If the answer to my question is "yes", I think the breeder is being less than honest with you. I would imagine most reputable breeders will tell you that ensuring two testicles have descended is normal practice. :rant:

Good luck with whatever you decide for the little fellow :luck:

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kiplin didnt have any visible testicles from the day we got him,he was 10 weeks old

 

[~JO~]

Hi Trish,I am really sorry that poor little Kiplin has this condition and I think you are doing the right thing by looking into all avenues before deciding on your course of action.

If it was me, I would certainly have the op, the risk of cancer is increased by leaving the testicles in situ, and that would be my justification for surgery.

we never thought to check and when we got him home thought they would appear as he got older

Are you saying that Kiplin had no visible testicles from the day you collected him?

i have notified the breeder and they was unaware of kiplins condition.

If the answer to my question is "yes", I think the breeder is being less than honest with you. I would imagine most reputable breeders will tell you that ensuring two testicles have descended is normal practice. :rant:

Good luck with whatever you decide for the little fellow :luck:

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kiplin didnt have any visible testicles from the day we got him,he was 10 weeks old

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And did the breeder make you aware of this and possibility of the need for an op if they didn't come down??

 

[Trish]

Hi Trish,I am really sorry that poor little Kiplin has this condition and I think you are doing the right thing by looking into all avenues before deciding on your course of action.

If it was me, I would certainly have the op, the risk of cancer is increased by leaving the testicles in situ, and that would be my justification for surgery.

we never thought to check and when we got him home thought they would appear as he got older

Are you saying that Kiplin had no visible testicles from the day you collected him?

i have notified the breeder and they was unaware of kiplins condition.

If the answer to my question is "yes", I think the breeder is being less than honest with you. I would imagine most reputable breeders will tell you that ensuring two testicles have descended is normal practice. :rant:

Good luck with whatever you decide for the little fellow :luck:

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kiplin didnt have any visible testicles from the day we got him,he was 10 weeks old

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And did the breeder make you aware of this and possibility of the need for an op if they didn't come down??

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no jo ,there was no discussion on the subject at all.

with us never having a male before we just presumed they grow into place as the pup grew. so naive or what :b

 

[~JO~]

:rant: :rant: I cannot believe the breeder didn't state this - disgusting behaviour

A lot of people are a little bit naive but this is the breeders responsibility....they have behaved appallingly in my opinion. They basically sold you a pup with medical condition and didn't mention it at all...

Personally I would leave it and have the op when he is going on for about 2 just in case they do come down :luck: Lots of :huggles: to Kiplin

 

[Mark Roberts]

What lines are Kiplin out of Trish.

 

[05whippet]

:rant:   :rant: I cannot believe the breeder didn't state this - disgusting behaviour
A lot of people are a little bit naive but this is the breeders responsibility....they have behaved appallingly in my opinion.  They basically sold you a pup with medical condition and didn't mention it at all...

Personally I would leave it and have the op when he is going on for about 2 just in case they do come down  :luck:   Lots of  :huggles: to Kiplin

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I TOTALLY agree with you Jo,this is an appalling thing to do by the breeder and not tell the prospective owner :rant: :rant: I for one would not want people talking about me in that way and saying basically what we are saying now, at least if you are honest with your potential new puppy owners and maybe ask that at a later date the dog be neutered to A prevent the possibility of testicular cancer and B prevent anyone breeding from the dog (assuming he was fertile or able) it keeps you right.I can't believe that ANY decent breeder would want or like their name to be sullied like this??

You Trish may have been a bit naive but that is not the point :angry:

 

[urchin]

I'm shocked that this wasnt discussed with you Trish, particularly as the op can be quite expensive.

Dij's breeder was very frank with me about his condition, even that she'd held on to him for a while in the hope that the offending plum would make a reappearance.....So i knew from the outset exactly what i was taking on, and did so fully understanding the implications.

Seems a much more honest way to go about homing a dog to me!

 

[Seraphina]

The breeder should have certainly known and should have told you. However, testicles are weird things, they can and do sometime disappear. I have witnessed it in a puppy my very conscientious friend bred, many years ago. She was terribly embarrassed when the new owner called her with that news. From then on I always show my puppy buyers that the puppy has them, and tell them to watch that they do not disappear. Contact me immediately if there is a problem, so I can se if I can bring them back down. Nevertheless, about 3 years ago I had a litter with 3 boys, all had nice big testis in their scrota by the second day after birth, I kept checking and never was one of them missing, so I did not bother doing the “ball” lecture. Well, one of them lost both. They told me only after he was castrated. So it can happen that the breeder did not know. With this litter I am going to get the vet to certify on the vaccination cert that they have them.

Yhey can pull them in due to some trauma, maybe being taken away from their mum and siblings can be enough of a fright for some.

 

[Darcia]

You have had plenty of good advice already, I will just add what happened to my boy Merle.

At about 3/4 months we realised that one testicle had not dropped properly - it was initially there but as he grew it seemed to stay up in the groin area. At first we were hopeful that it would eventually drop. In time we started to free run him and from 6+ months give him very short runs behind a lure - at this time we realised that the retained testicle seemed to be causing some pain when he was exercising. The vet advised us to wait until he was 10-12 months old as he would be strong enough to recover well but young enough to get over it quickly (he did say that we could wait longer but the trauma would be greater the older that the dog was when he had it done - he advised that we should wait no longer than 4 years due to the increased risk of cancer).

We followed the vets advice and had the operation at about 11 months - it was (thankfully) a straightforward procedure and he recovered very quickly. He is nearly 7 now and seems to have had no ill-effects from his experience.

Good luck with your boy whatever you decide to do :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[Trish]

thanks to everyone thats given us their experiences and all the advise,kiplin is 6 months old today and we will be making an appointment with our vets for his youth check this week,so will see what the vet as to say and then take it from there,will keep you all informed as to what we decide and when

trish

 

[Trish]

kips just been for his 6 months check and we saw a nurse,she had a good feel round and went to have a word with the vet who recommended some medication (cyclamen) dont think it will work but if your desperate you try anything,he will take it for a month then we go to see the vet again,so fingers crossed it does work he was also microchipped,bless him he gave a little squeal but was fine straight away but he got lots of cuddles anyway:huggles: ,im so soft as you might be thinking :lol: