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[maggie217]

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Think this has been a good example for all of us of why you should look, before you leap.

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Well, of course any caring people were going to 'leap' because, whatever the owner's said intentions, an ad such as the one quoted was worded to attract the very worst kind of owner.

 

Pauline

 

[maggiemay2]

Cant thw Whippet Rescue provide the sellers with names from their waiting list??

that way the dogs get a prechecked home and the owners are satisfied they are getting a good home too.

 

[maggie217]

Cant thw Whippet Rescue provide the sellers with names from their waiting list??that way the dogs get a prechecked home and the owners are satisfied they are getting a good home too. 

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But don't forget the ad. was asking for a price for these whippets. It wasn't saying they were looking to 'rehome' as such but were selling.

 

[maggiemay2]

It was also mentioned in a previous post though that there maybe some 'negotiation' in the price for the right home. I would have thought that any rescue centre asks for a donation in exchange for the dogs.... i dont know this for sure of course.

The dogs which were rescued some years ago by the Tilly Fund were later rehomed as i understand it and the money paid for the dogs was therefore 'recovered'

People have been slated for offering dogs free to good home before and now these owners are asking for a sum for their dogs they are being slated again.... sometimes we are never satisfied.

Just my opinion, going on what i have read previously.

 

[maggie217]

People have been slated for offering dogs free to good home before and now these owners are asking for a sum for their dogs they are being slated again.... sometimes we are never satisfied.

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No, I wasn't slating them. I do think all animals should be paid for. But I was stating why the rescue societies wouldn't be keen to give names from their waiting list, as this looked like a sale not a re-homing.

 

[wild whippies]

I'm sorry but i beg to differ here.
Here is the original ad:

  Description

Breeding pair of whippets.

Male, fawn/brindle, 3 years old and his female partner grey/white, 2 1/2 years old. (Currently in season, ready for breeding now). Both dogs are fully vaccinated and wormed.

Excellent temperaments, great with children and adults, indoors and out. Have been raised in a family home and are used to cats, birds and other dogs.

A very affectionate and lively female and more docile male, looking for a special new home, together, due to domestic circumstances.

Does this seem like a caring pet owner looking for a loving home :blink:

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It doesn't look like they're being treated cruelly either.

Think people really need to think about who exactly is going to breed for financial gain. The most lucrative being those that are KC registered with lots of red in the pedigrees.

Regarding the "naive daughter" this must be the same daughter who i was told regularly breeds litters of Dalmations too  :- "
They also have a breeding pair of poms along with the whippets & the dalmations  :blink:

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Whether the daughter is a breeder of dalmations or Poms is irrelevant, she isn't selling the whippets.

I'm sorry but the "caring owner" certainly did not pull the wool over my eyes.

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She didn't pull the wool over my eyes either as I wasn't willing to donate.

Such a shame really as there were some lovely homes available through rescue BUT now i guess they take their chances on the open market as a "breeding pair"

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I'm sure those eagerly waiting to give a home to a rescue dog will one day be rewarded, with a dog that is truly a rescue case.

Whether there truly is a 'market' for such a pair is debatable for the previous reasons I suggested as to what exactly attracts a puppy farmer. One thing is sure though, the winds put up this woman so much so that the bitch will probably be well out of season before she finds a suitable home.

Thank you everyone who did at least try their best to help, i know so many of you wanted a happy & safe outcome for these two  :thumbsup:

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To my knowledge these dogs were neither unhappy or unsafe, to hint that they'd be happier seperated in rescue isn't something that I or you can know for sure.

Personally, I'd like to thank those who rushed in to help then recognised that this particular situation wasn't one that warranted such interventions and rightly pulled out of any involvement.

I've said it previously and I'll say it again while there's breath in me, we have no power over other people, that's just life. You can guide, you can recommend but at the end of the day it's entirely up to the individual how they treat their animals.

If people want to set about breeding litters of puppies they'll do it no matter what, those dogs with KC registration being the most appealing. You want to exercise power over these individuals? Stop selling dogs with KC papers, introduce breeding terms on those which you choose to register and ideally don't bloody breed and don't put your dogs up to stud with every bitch that walks through the door.

These 2 dogs along with others will have come from some established breeder somewhere along the line, when exactly are these breeders going to take responsibility? When whippet registrations reach the top of the KC register?

(comments not aimed at you Nina, but at breeders where the above is applicable)

 

[Lal]

It was also mentioned in a previous post though that there maybe some 'negotiation' in the price for the right home.  I would have thought that any rescue centre asks for a donation in exchange for the dogs.... i dont know this for sure of course.
The dogs which were rescued some years ago by the Tilly Fund were later rehomed as i understand it and the money paid for the dogs was therefore 'recovered'

People have been slated for offering dogs free to good home before and now these owners are asking for a sum for their dogs they are being slated again.... sometimes we are never satisfied.

Just my opinion, going on what i have read previously.

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Got to agree with maggiemay2 on this one, dogs offered 'free to good home' are open to being picked up by 'less than ideal' homes, dogs offered 'at a price' are maybe mercenary owners? We are maybe all guilty of being judgemental on this one.

Bottom line is that, if, god forbid, I ever had to rehome my dog I would NEVER advertise on a freeads site. Come on people, lets get real here, there are genuine rescue agencies out there, if your main concern was your dog then you wouldn't be advertising on a freeads site, you would contact appropriate rescue agencies if your attempts at appealing to friends and neighbours had failed. Sorry but, and I await the abuse here, I would sooner have my dog put down than have him advertised on a freeads site. Sorry, my views like it or lump it.

 

[kris]

It was also mentioned in a previous post though that there maybe some 'negotiation' in the price for the right home.  I would have thought that any rescue centre asks for a donation in exchange for the dogs.... i dont know this for sure of course.
The dogs which were rescued some years ago by the Tilly Fund were later rehomed as i understand it and the money paid for the dogs was therefore 'recovered'

People have been slated for offering dogs free to good home before and now these owners are asking for a sum for their dogs they are being slated again.... sometimes we are never satisfied.

Just my opinion, going on what i have read previously.

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Got to agree with maggiemay2 on this one, dogs offered 'free to good home' are open to being picked up by 'less than ideal' homes, dogs offered 'at a price' are maybe mercenary owners? We are maybe all guilty of being judgemental on this one.

Bottom line is that, if, god forbid, I ever had to rehome my dog I would NEVER advertise on a freeads site. Come on people, lets get real here, there are genuine rescue agencies out there, if your main concern was your dog then you wouldn't be advertising on a freeads site, you would contact appropriate rescue agencies if your attempts at appealing to friends and neighbours had failed. Sorry but, and I await the abuse here, I would sooner have my dog put down than have him advertised on a freeads site. Sorry, my views like it or lump it.

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everyones entitled to their views.thats what we call a democracy. :thumbsup: id rather put my dogs down than let them end up in a puppy farm and thats my opinion

 

[maggie217]

Got to agree with maggiemay2 on this one, dogs offered 'free to good home' are open to being picked up by 'less than ideal' homes, dogs offered 'at a price' are maybe mercenary owners?  We are maybe all guilty of being judgemental on this one.
Bottom line is that, if, god forbid, I ever had to rehome my dog I would NEVER advertise on a freeads site.  Come on people, lets get real here, there are genuine rescue agencies out there, if your main concern was your dog then you wouldn't be advertising on a freeads site, you would contact appropriate rescue agencies if your attempts at appealing to friends and neighbours had failed.  Sorry but, and I await the abuse here, I would sooner have my dog put down than have him advertised on a freeads site. Sorry, my views like it or lump it.

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[nina]

I'm sorry but i beg to differ here.

Here is the original ad:

  Description

Breeding pair of whippets.

Male, fawn/brindle, 3 years old and his female partner grey/white, 2 1/2 years old. (Currently in season, ready for breeding now). Both dogs are fully vaccinated and wormed.

Excellent temperaments, great with children and adults, indoors and out. Have been raised in a family home and are used to cats, birds and other dogs.

A very affectionate and lively female and more docile male, looking for a special new home, together, due to domestic circumstances.

Does this seem like a caring pet owner looking for a loving home :blink:

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It doesn't look like they're being treated cruelly either.

Think people really need to think about who exactly is going to breed for financial gain. The most lucrative being those that are KC registered with lots of red in the pedigrees.

Regarding the "naive daughter" this must be the same daughter who i was told regularly breeds litters of Dalmations too  :- "
They also have a breeding pair of poms along with the whippets & the dalmations  :blink:

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Whether the daughter is a breeder of dalmations or Poms is irrelevant, she isn't selling the whippets.

I'm sorry but the "caring owner" certainly did not pull the wool over my eyes.

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She didn't pull the wool over my eyes either as I wasn't willing to donate.

Such a shame really as there were some lovely homes available through rescue BUT now i guess they take their chances on the open market as a "breeding pair"

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I'm sure those eagerly waiting to give a home to a rescue dog will one day be rewarded, with a dog that is truly a rescue case.

Whether there truly is a 'market' for such a pair is debatable for the previous reasons I suggested as to what exactly attracts a puppy farmer. One thing is sure though, the winds put up this woman so much so that the bitch will probably be well out of season before she finds a suitable home.

Thank you everyone who did at least try their best to help, i know so many of you wanted a happy & safe outcome for these two  :thumbsup:

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To my knowledge these dogs were neither unhappy or unsafe, to hint that they'd be happier seperated in rescue isn't something that I or you can know for sure.

Personally, I'd like to thank those who rushed in to help then recognised that this particular situation wasn't one that warranted such interventions and rightly pulled out of any involvement.

I've said it previously and I'll say it again while there's breath in me, we have no power over other people, that's just life. You can guide, you can recommend but at the end of the day it's entirely up to the individual how they treat their animals.

If people want to set about breeding litters of puppies they'll do it no matter what, those dogs with KC registration being the most appealing. You want to exercise power over these individuals? Stop selling dogs with KC papers, introduce breeding terms on those which you choose to register and ideally don't bloody breed and don't put your dogs up to stud with every bitch that walks through the door.

These 2 dogs along with others will have come from some established breeder somewhere along the line, when exactly are these breeders going to take responsibility? When whippet registrations reach the top of the KC register?

(comments not aimed at you Nina, but at breeders where the above is applicable)

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Ok to begin with the dogs needn't of been seperated, we had homes available that would take them both together & Rescue would have ensured the bitch was spayed. :thumbsup:

I wish that people who had not been involved from the start were not so quick to post their opinions without knowing ALL the facts but hey thats life.

I was not referring to you personally having the wool pulled over your eyes as i wasnt aware you had spoken to the woman but then again maybe i am wrong? :blink:

Whether her & the daughter are breeding poms, whippets or dalmations i am merely trying to say they are not just your average caring pet owner, the actual reason for buying the whippets was to move to a property in Wales where they could continue their breeding activities BUT sadly for them the property fell through hence they didnt have the room to breed the whippets so wanted shot of them so they can continue breeding the poms instead.

I had 4 conversations with this person today & can happily tell you that i wouldnt have given up most of my day & night & wasted several peoples time organising help on a whim to rescue 2 dogs from a loving caring pet owner who was intent on finding them the best possible home.

It has taught me a BIG lesson today which is sadly in future do NOT get involved.

 

[saraquele]

firstly i would like to commend everyone involved for there support in this case wether it be financial or time etc.

i have spoken to the woman who owns these two dogs and thats why i pulled out .

someone from the board spoke to her early on today who put a few pointers in the owners direction , when i spoke to her she had either taken on board what the other k9 member had said to her or was worried something like this was happening.

in my opinion these dogs are not a genuine rescue case , yes the advert was god awfull and worded in the most deeming way BUT on speaking to this lady it seems the dogs are kept in seperate rooms , go in the garden to toilet supervised and the dog has not mated the bitch .

i think this lady has had the advert twisted by her daughter , i know when the other k9 member spoke to her it seems all she wanted was the £££ and sod the dogs but when i spoke to her she asked all the right questions , asked to see the dogs on a regular basis if i had them etc etc .

so although the advert looks really bad i feel she will now do what is best for the dogs , i think speaking to her has educated her a little and made her realise people do care and she does want a good home for them .

i pulled out because i didnt want her to ring me in 2 /3 months / weeks whatever and me to have to decieve her again or tell her i had given the dogs to a rescue .

this is only my HO i may have got it all wrong but she has had the wind put up her for whatever reason and i now feel these dogs will be fine :thumbsup:

 

[maggiemay2]

I'm sorry but i beg to differ here.

Here is the original ad:

  Description

Breeding pair of whippets.

Male, fawn/brindle, 3 years old and his female partner grey/white, 2 1/2 years old. (Currently in season, ready for breeding now). Both dogs are fully vaccinated and wormed.

Excellent temperaments, great with children and adults, indoors and out. Have been raised in a family home and are used to cats, birds and other dogs.

A very affectionate and lively female and more docile male, looking for a special new home, together, due to domestic circumstances.

Does this seem like a caring pet owner looking for a loving home :blink:

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It doesn't look like they're being treated cruelly either.

Think people really need to think about who exactly is going to breed for financial gain. The most lucrative being those that are KC registered with lots of red in the pedigrees.

Regarding the "naive daughter" this must be the same daughter who i was told regularly breeds litters of Dalmations too  :- "
They also have a breeding pair of poms along with the whippets & the dalmations  :blink:

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Whether the daughter is a breeder of dalmations or Poms is irrelevant, she isn't selling the whippets.

I'm sorry but the "caring owner" certainly did not pull the wool over my eyes.

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She didn't pull the wool over my eyes either as I wasn't willing to donate.

Such a shame really as there were some lovely homes available through rescue BUT now i guess they take their chances on the open market as a "breeding pair"

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I'm sure those eagerly waiting to give a home to a rescue dog will one day be rewarded, with a dog that is truly a rescue case.

Whether there truly is a 'market' for such a pair is debatable for the previous reasons I suggested as to what exactly attracts a puppy farmer. One thing is sure though, the winds put up this woman so much so that the bitch will probably be well out of season before she finds a suitable home.

Thank you everyone who did at least try their best to help, i know so many of you wanted a happy & safe outcome for these two  :thumbsup:

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To my knowledge these dogs were neither unhappy or unsafe, to hint that they'd be happier seperated in rescue isn't something that I or you can know for sure.

Personally, I'd like to thank those who rushed in to help then recognised that this particular situation wasn't one that warranted such interventions and rightly pulled out of any involvement.

I've said it previously and I'll say it again while there's breath in me, we have no power over other people, that's just life. You can guide, you can recommend but at the end of the day it's entirely up to the individual how they treat their animals.

If people want to set about breeding litters of puppies they'll do it no matter what, those dogs with KC registration being the most appealing. You want to exercise power over these individuals? Stop selling dogs with KC papers, introduce breeding terms on those which you choose to register and ideally don't bloody breed and don't put your dogs up to stud with every bitch that walks through the door.

These 2 dogs along with others will have come from some established breeder somewhere along the line, when exactly are these breeders going to take responsibility? When whippet registrations reach the top of the KC register?

(comments not aimed at you Nina, but at breeders where the above is applicable)

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Ok to begin with the dogs needn't of been seperated, we had homes available that would take them both together & Rescue would have ensured the bitch was spayed. :thumbsup:

I wish that people who had not been involved from the start were not so quick to post their opinions without knowing ALL the facts but hey thats life.

I was not referring to you personally having the wool pulled over your eyes as i wasnt aware you had spoken to the woman but then again maybe i am wrong? :blink:

Whether her & the daughter are breeding poms, whippets or dalmations i am merely trying to say they are not just your average caring pet owner, the actual reason for buying the whippets was to move to a property in Wales where they could continue their breeding activities BUT sadly for them the property fell through hence they didnt have the room to breed the whippets so wanted shot of them so they can continue breeding the poms instead.

I had 4 conversations with this person today & can happily tell you that i wouldnt have given up most of my day & night & wasted several peoples time organising help on a whim to rescue 2 dogs from a loving caring pet owner who was intent on finding them the best possible home.

It has taught me a BIG lesson today which is sadly in future do NOT get involved.

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please do not give up your very good 'work', if you and others were to stop caring where would it leave this lovely breed and other breeds

 

[maggie217]

I would just like to say a big thank you to Sharon, Nina and to all the others who had the welfare of these dogs at heart. This world needs people like you

Pauline

 

[nina]

firstly i would like to commend everyone involved for there support in this case wether it be financial or time etc.
i have spoken to the woman who owns these two dogs and thats why i pulled out .

someone from the board spoke to her early on today who put a few pointers in the owners direction , when i spoke to her she had either taken on board what the other k9 member had said to her or was worried something like this was happening.

in my opinion these dogs are not a genuine rescue case , yes the advert was god awfull and worded in the most deeming way BUT on speaking to this lady it seems the dogs are kept in seperate rooms , go in the garden to toilet supervised and the dog has not mated the bitch .

i think this lady has had the advert twisted by her daughter , i know when the other k9 member spoke to her it seems all she wanted was the £££ and sod the dogs but when i spoke to her she asked all the right questions , asked to see the dogs on a regular basis if i had them etc etc .

so although the advert looks really bad i feel she will now do what is best for the dogs , i think speaking to her has educated her a little and made her realise people do care and she does want a good home for them .

i pulled out because i didnt want her to ring me in 2 /3 months / weeks whatever and me to have to decieve her again or tell her i had given the dogs to a rescue .

this is only my HO  i may have got it all wrong but she has had the wind put up her for whatever reason and i now feel these dogs will be fine  :thumbsup:

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I understand your reasons for pulling out & thank you for at least offering to help to begin with.

Its a shame you couldnt have waited as i asked before posting the decision as i did have someone else who would have helped instead, i just hope you are right & they will be fine BUT personally i wont hold my breath.

Thank you again.

 

[midlanderkeith]

I would just like to say a big  thank you to Sharon, Nina and to all the others who had the welfare of these dogs at heart.  This world needs people like you
Pauline

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What happens to the hundred smackers ive just sent off :- "

 

[jinnyfizz]

You know what ....... I am reading through this thread and I've been thinking "what would I do if I was put into an impossible situation when I could no longer be there for my whippies, say terminal illness or a serious accident?" :unsure:

This has made me realise that part of the benefit of being a K9er, apart from being able to access a wealth of information/advice and meet and make friends with like-minded people all over the UK, is the fact that I now know there are people out there who would look after my girls for life in the style to which they have become accustomed if the worst was to happen to me :thumbsup:

While the earth still turns I would never sell or give them away to a stranger and, like several of the comments before mine, I would rather have them PTS than have them face an uncertain future with somebody I don't know

Luckily I know I will never have to do this because I have friends who would be there for my girlies :huggles:

 

[June Jonigk]

How sad that this has caused so much bad feeling. At the end of the day, we all care about whippets who are in less than perfect homes. We all have different ideas of what is a perfect home - mine is a home for life with people who care - they don't have to be raced or shown, as long as they will be loved and cared for. Many show and racing dogs are passed on if they don't come up to scratch - that to me is heartless, but those people see no harm in it if they find them good homes, yet we all know how stressful it must be for a whippet to be plucked from a home they know and feel safe in, to be given over to strangers and to go to live in a strange place.

Let's not argue about who is wrong and who is right - but agree to differ. Unfortunately this case is one of many, and although many of us were happy to donate money, it will not stop the ignorance and stupidity of some people who take on dogs, and then get rid when they no longer have a use for them. I hope these two end up in a kind and loving place where they are safe until their lives end :huggles:

 

[saraquele]

firstly i would like to commend everyone involved for there support in this case wether it be financial or time etc.
i have spoken to the woman who owns these two dogs and thats why i pulled out .

someone from the board spoke to her early on today who put a few pointers in the owners direction , when i spoke to her she had either taken on board what the other k9 member had said to her or was worried something like this was happening.

in my opinion these dogs are not a genuine rescue case , yes the advert was god awfull and worded in the most deeming way BUT on speaking to this lady it seems the dogs are kept in seperate rooms , go in the garden to toilet supervised and the dog has not mated the bitch .

i think this lady has had the advert twisted by her daughter , i know when the other k9 member spoke to her it seems all she wanted was the £££ and sod the dogs but when i spoke to her she asked all the right questions , asked to see the dogs on a regular basis if i had them etc etc .

so although the advert looks really bad i feel she will now do what is best for the dogs , i think speaking to her has educated her a little and made her realise people do care and she does want a good home for them .

i pulled out because i didnt want her to ring me in 2 /3 months / weeks whatever and me to have to decieve her again or tell her i had given the dogs to a rescue .

this is only my HO  i may have got it all wrong but she has had the wind put up her for whatever reason and i now feel these dogs will be fine  :thumbsup:

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I understand your reasons for pulling out & thank you for at least offering to help to begin with.

Its a shame you couldnt have waited as i asked before posting the decision as i did have someone else who would have helped instead, i just hope you are right & they will be fine BUT personally i wont hold my breath.

Thank you again.

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i dont think me posting my opinion will stop people wanting to help , as it had already been discussed i thought i would just say what happend when i spoke to her .

my post was in no way intended to stop people if they still wanted to help but i thought it right to hear what she told me and asked me on the ph :huggles:

 

[Lal]

firstly i would like to commend everyone involved for there support in this case wether it be financial or time etc.
i have spoken to the woman who owns these two dogs and thats why i pulled out .

someone from the board spoke to her early on today who put a few pointers in the owners direction , when i spoke to her she had either taken on board what the other k9 member had said to her or was worried something like this was happening.

in my opinion these dogs are not a genuine rescue case , yes the advert was god awfull and worded in the most deeming way BUT on speaking to this lady it seems the dogs are kept in seperate rooms , go in the garden to toilet supervised and the dog has not mated the bitch .

i think this lady has had the advert twisted by her daughter , i know when the other k9 member spoke to her it seems all she wanted was the £££ and sod the dogs but when i spoke to her she asked all the right questions , asked to see the dogs on a regular basis if i had them etc etc .

so although the advert looks really bad i feel she will now do what is best for the dogs , i think speaking to her has educated her a little and made her realise people do care and she does want a good home for them .

i pulled out because i didnt want her to ring me in 2 /3 months / weeks whatever and me to have to decieve her again or tell her i had given the dogs to a rescue .

this is only my HO  i may have got it all wrong but she has had the wind put up her for whatever reason and i now feel these dogs will be fine  :thumbsup:

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I feel better for knowing that, although I do still worry about the sort of people that advert will attract. We all know how plausible some people can sound, be it salesmen, con men whatever! To those that tried to help, in whatever way, then they can only be commended for having the best interests of these dogs at heart. If those attempts have 'failed' then what can I say, none of us can 'save the world', we can but try and I'm sure everybody involved did so with the best possible intentions. So, no slanging matches, no recriminations, everybody did what they felt was right. :luck: :luck: to these two dogs and let's hope they end up in a caring home.

 

[midlanderkeith]

How sad that this has caused so much bad feeling.  At the end of the day, we all care about whippets who are in less than perfect homes.  We all have different ideas of what is a perfect home - mine is a home for life with people who care - they don't have to be raced or shown, as long as they will be loved and cared for.  Many show and racing dogs are passed on if they don't come up to scratch - that to me is heartless, but those people see no harm in it if they find them good homes, yet we all know how stressful it must be for a whippet to be plucked from a home they know and feel safe in, to be given over to strangers and to go to live in a strange place.
Let's not argue about who is wrong and who is right - but agree to differ.  Unfortunately this case is one of many, and although many of us were happy to donate money, it will not stop the ignorance and stupidity of some people who take on dogs, and then get rid when they no longer have a use for them.  I hope these two end up in a kind and loving place where they are safe until their lives end :huggles:

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I take my hat off too you i do, in fact i'd take owt off fer you, bestest damn moderateress :lol: on k9

love youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu