Drug Abuse

[sharon whincop]

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Usually don't bother with debates but think most people who shout about drugs are the people getting beat. I learned this with Mimo when I first got her and she wasn't winning nothing was said but the first weekend she won I was told of a phone call asking for her to be tested, the reason because she had started winning. Nothing to do with her being a nervous dog and taking time to settle in. I know from my own dogs I put a lot of time and money into them. Walking 2 at a time for over a hour at a time and I have 11 dogs. Free running them twice a day when I'm working. Spending £3 a day on fresh meat. 7 tins of tomatoes, beans and rhubarb every week plus a bag of meal every week. In the summer at least £6 for run-ups every week and that's only training not the price to run them. But when some don't win nothing is said but if they win they on something, nothing to do all the work I put into them. And the sad truth is that's what jealousy does because with a lot of people that's what it is.

 

[JoJess]

I am sure anyone who has had or has got a good dog has had whispers said against them about drugs, I for one dont think there are many who would give their dogs anything to enhance their performance especially now when the organisations are drug testing, all these inuendos are doing far more harm to whippet racing.......that said I would also like to say let your dogs do the talking **winks**it is so much of a buzz when your dog wins on its own merit and your hard work of course...... :- "

 

[toadfish]

Usually don't bother with debates but think most people who shout about drugs are the people getting beat. I learned this with Mimo when I first got her and she wasn't winning nothing was said but the first weekend she won I was told of a phone call asking for her to be tested, the reason because she had started winning. Nothing to do with her being a nervous dog and taking time to settle in. I know from my own dogs I put a lot of time and money into them. Walking 2 at a time for over a hour at a time and I have 11 dogs. Free running them twice a day when I'm working. Spending £3 a day on fresh meat. 7 tins of tomatoes, beans and rhubarb every week plus a bag of meal every week. In the summer at least £6 for run-ups every week and that's only training not the price to run them. But when some don't win nothing is said but if they win they on something, nothing to do all the work I put into them. And the sad truth is that's what jealousy does because with a lot of people that's what it is.

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well said sharon :thumbsup:

graham

 

[Paws123]

I am sure anyone who has had or has got a good dog has had whispers said against them about drugs, I for one dont think there are many who would give their dogs anything to enhance their performance especially now when the organisations are drug testing, all these inuendos are doing far more harm to whippet racing.......that said I would also like to say let your dogs do the talking **winks**it is so much of a buzz when your dog wins on  its own merit and your hard work of course......  :- "

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You exactly right pat ... nice to see you back again :thumbsup:

you cannot keep a good dog down for long ehhh

really looking forward to seeing your girls (pups), bet there all grown up now

 

[Karen-Coral]

Kipper wants to know where he can find a reliable dealer-he hasn't the energy to get up and pee-lol

 

[JoJess]

same here Sharon, we had a dog that never won anything reason being she was walked 3 miles a day with the other dog that needed the work, as soon as I stopped racing Fancy free i walked them a mile and she started winning. I was asked at the traps what my dog was on, needless to say i wont mention names but, I suggested we got both our dogs tested......

 

[Fleesh]

OK so maybe there's no drugs in the sport, and we're testing for no reason.

But maybe there's no drugs because of the testing.

The sport could easily be open to abuse as soon as testing stopped, this would lead to further ill feeling and finger pointing and a call for testing to return. It's a vicious circle and until the day that the human race develops to such an extent that we can read each others thoughts, the suspicion and/or cheating will remain.

 

[JoJess]

Well said .... keep the drug testing 8)

 

[dart]

Usually don't bother with debates but think most people who shout about drugs are the people getting beat. I learned this with Mimo when I first got her and she wasn't winning nothing was said but the first weekend she won I was told of a phone call asking for her to be tested, the reason because she had started winning. Nothing to do with her being a nervous dog and taking time to settle in. I know from my own dogs I put a lot of time and money into them. Walking 2 at a time for over a hour at a time and I have 11 dogs. Free running them twice a day when I'm working. Spending £3 a day on fresh meat. 7 tins of tomatoes, beans and rhubarb every week plus a bag of meal every week. In the summer at least £6 for run-ups every week and that's only training not the price to run them. But when some don't win nothing is said but if they win they on something, nothing to do all the work I put into them. And the sad truth is that's what jealousy does because with a lot of people that's what it is.

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WELL SAID SHARON LOTS OF HARDWORK GOOD FEED ONLY WAY TO WIN.

 

[kenny m]

we been here about this crap this week,we were there a few month ago,and we will be talking,well argueing about it in a few month time,,all,it does,is cause,bad felling between members,i have been in the sport about 9years now seen a bit and heard a lot,,,i have won,a long time ago,and hope to win in the future,my dogs run on good food,a good home.a nice cup of tea,that stops a week or so before the races,start,,and loads and loads of love..so next year if you see me happy as hell when or if we win,anybody can test my dogs,do what they want,but i will be well happy,becouse my dog will have won for me,clean,, :thumbsup:

 

[toadfish]

Kipper wants to know where he can find a reliable dealer-he hasn't the energy to get up and pee-lol

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have found somthing that has never failed to get astounding results

home made cinder toffee

well it gets me going o o :- " :- "

graham

 

[JoJess]

I agree this subject has been going on since the year 0 blob and I for one know a lot of good people who have left whippet racing because of it, that is why carrying on with drug testing is very important it acts as a deterent and they can test my dogs any time they wish, you only have to look around you at all the hard work people put into their dogs, watch them walk up the track in a state of nerves and then see their faces when their dogs win ) you got to love whippet racing aint ya :huggles:

 

[rob67]

Maybe your opinion on drug testing and it's use depends on your experience of it. When roxy was tested, being a novice it was a very scary moment, not because we had anything to hide (altho some people will see it as that) , but because the people doing it had little clue as to what they were doing, as said previously, i had to tell the vet to seal the sample before it went off to wherever, the woman who got the sample still had half the plastic over the cardboard thingy when roxy peed onto it. It's not until these discussions occur that you think about the implications of contamination etc.

If i had faith in the system then I would agree with it, but my experience leaves me wary.

If no positive tests allows people to think that there is little drug use in the sport, then that's ok, but I dont think you can assume that it satisfies everyone, cos we all have different tolerance levels.

chris

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

i have only had one dog drug tested and that was grahams dream by the bwra but would welcome any test on any of my dogs.

 

[JOHNG]

I agree this subject has been going on since the year 0 blob and I for one know a lot of good people who have left whippet racing because of it, that is why carrying on with drug testing is very important  it acts as a deterent and  they can test my dogs  any time they wish, you only have to look around you at all the hard work people put into their dogs, watch them walk up the track in a state of nerves  and then  see their faces when their dogs win  )   you got to love whippet racing aint ya  :huggles:

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pat the state of nerves was in case they got picked out to get tested :lol: :lol:

but i agree drug testing must be kept in,i hope the BWRA vote it back in :thumbsup:

 

[JoJess]

No it isn't John, i used to run up the track and would shake from head to toe I couldnt get to the finishing line fast enough, reason being I had to have some puff to shout me dog haha and funny thing is I never watched em race as had my eyes darn closed lol But like everyone when you have worked hard with your dogs and given them the best food and TLC you need to know that you have a chance of winning and when drug testing is in force you have just that.

 

[Paws123]

Maybe your opinion on drug testing and it's use depends on your experience of it. When roxy was tested, being a novice it was a very scary moment, not because we had anything to hide (altho some people will see it as that) , but because the people doing it had little clue as to what they were doing, as said previously, i had to tell the vet to seal the sample before it went off to wherever, the woman who got the sample still had half the plastic over the cardboard thingy when roxy peed onto it. It's not until these discussions occur that you think about the implications of contamination etc.If i had faith in the system then I would agree with it, but my experience leaves me wary.

If no positive tests allows people to think that there is little drug use in the sport, then that's ok, but I dont think you can assume that it satisfies everyone, cos we all have different tolerance levels.

chris

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Evey thing passing through the body IE drugs have to be taken in through the mouth or intravenously (injections)... during the in-take changes occur chemically and filtered through the kidneys liver etc ...HFL would be able to tell if and what had been digested or undigested or possible which is highly unlikely contamination of hands

They knew that Linda was a smoker though nicotine been on the bowl plastic

 

[Vicky]

Evey thing passing through the body IE drugs have to be taken in through the mouth or intravenously (injections)... during the in-take changes occur chemically and filtered through the kidneys liver etc ...HFL would be able to tell if and what had been digested or undigested or possible which is highly unlikely contamination of hands

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Thanks for that :thumbsup: Would you know if a test comes back showing traces of something Denise and the owner wanted to find out how it got there, which test would we have to pay for to find that out? ie if it was contaminated or injested.

Geoff's post got me thinking about the traces that have come back in my own dogs samples in 2006 & 2007, i know for me the fact he came back negative was a huge relief (you know you hear all the scary stories :lol: and regardless of if you know your dog is 100% clean you still panic) and i didn't think to question the traces shown.

 

[Paws123]

Evey thing passing through the body IE drugs have to be taken in through the mouth or intravenously (injections)... during the in-take changes occur chemically and filtered through the kidneys liver etc ...HFL would be able to tell if and what had been digested or undigested or possible which is highly unlikely contamination of hands

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Thanks for that :thumbsup: Would you know if a test comes back showing traces of something Denise and the owner wanted to find out how it got there, which test would we have to pay for to find that out? ie if it was contaminated or injested.

Geoff's post got me thinking about the traces that have come back in my own dogs samples in 2006 & 2007, i know for me the fact he came back negative was a huge relief (you know you hear all the scary stories :lol: and regardless of if you know your dog is 100% clean you still panic) and i didn't think to question the traces shown.

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I think it would be the full break down test Vicky cost over £1000 ..but double check with Linda as she is the one that deals with the lab tecy at HFL , i just deal with the lady in accounts

Tracers i would suggest could come from our whippets living in the house and maybe us handling them at tracks, stadiums through out there race days , this was the main important issue Linda needed to sort with HFL prior to the NNWRF testing as we all know whippets are the biggest thieves walking ...unlike NGRC greyhounds that live in kennels and are monitored what food , drinks etc they are subjected to ...we also rub our dogs down with varies rubs prior to racing ...if i am correct NGRC greyhounds are taken to there race tracks long before there racers and kenneled in the stadiums own kennels provided (during that time if they are tested its done then ) they are not allowed to be handled off trainers , owners etc until after they have run ... I am sure thats how its done but someone on here may know better

 

[rodders]

Can someone explain why traces are on a report if it's a negative test? I thought negative meant just that,and the only way to find out what was in a test sample would be to have a breakdown test which would show up what was in the sample (traces etc....)