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Greyhound Blood in Non Ped WHIPPET Breeding

Discussion in 'Dog Sports' started by MONSIEUR DUPONT, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Fair comment Graham, but it does look like you've lit the touch paper and ran for cover :- " :lol: But I think you're missing the point of the argument, and that's the breeding or should I say the amount of greyhound in the breeding.

    If we look at the BWRA web site and click onto the date base its clear to see what's causing the upset.

    It all starts from poor old Peds Special, that being mated to a full greyhound (Pigalle Glory)

    The result of this breeding produced Try One, a first x W/Greyhound, but really it's a bit more than a first cross if you look back into Wally Stag's breeding ie 3 generation's back there's Black Venture another full greyhound.

    Now this is where it gets warm under the collar. Try One is mated to Wally Stag result = Tyrone :sweating: at this point in the breeding everything looks like we are playing on a level playing field :thumbsup: in respect of scratch racing.

    But now Tyrone is mated to a full greyhound ie Curryhills Kitty :- " this produces Stag Night.

    Get ready for it, Stag Night is then mated to another full greyhound ie Tyone Sue, this mating produces Molly Stag, :sweating: Then Molly Stag is mated to yet another full greyhound ie Magical Paws result = Magical Dreams.

    Here we go :D Magical Dreams is then mated to....... get ready for it :lol: another full greyhound ie Killeacle Reni.

    So in a nut shell, the breeding starts off by going to a full greyhound, then a gap, then back to another full greyhound another, another, another, and another full greyhound, the result being these pups are full greyhounds.If you like being called a cheat, then race them in the lurcher racing and also in the non peds :lol: thats a laugh for ya.

    IMO its time the governing bodies ie the BWRA/NNWRF/IRG put a stop to these breeders.

    All the facts to my comments are on the data base for all to see.

    M D :rant:
     
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  2. mutley

    mutley THE KING Registered

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    i was offered one of these pups of graham :thumbsup: and would of loved to but couldn't no room :( if anyone wants a good scratch dog for NO LIMIT racing. these are the ones :thumbsup: its the same old story have a dig at the scratch :rant: hope they are all champs and for those breeding any bitches beware non peds with greyhound blood can go any size :- " infact if you want a big scratch dog for the NO LIMIT why not get a biggun good luck with all these pups :luck: after all graham has proven he can breed top notch :luck: :luck: :luck: :luck: :thumbsup:

    ps i dont even have a scratch dog so it has no affect on me :- " leave the no limit alone :rant: they make up a lot of numbers in a sport that cant afford to turn any away :( and before anyone has a go its my opinion :)
     
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  3. rob67

    rob67 New Member Registered

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    Seems to me that there are lots of opinions on this topic, none right or wrong.................just the opinion of those that are entitled to one :D (which is all of us) IMO the only difficulty in racing a big dog......regardless of it's breeding is that they don't necessarily fit into whippet traps (have got the vaseline for Ty already!! and he's only 50lb) So straight racing might be difficult. If you don't enjoy straight racing then you won't be bothered........so! What's the problem with difference?

    I object more to people hiding behind daft names to make comments rather than being 'big' enough to make them under their real names :D

    chris
     
  4. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Nothing silly in true facts Karen, if so would you show us in% the whippet side of this breeding. These pups should be raced with other full bred greyhounds on the track, and we should go and have a few punts on them :thumbsup: the book makers would love that :lol:

    M D

    ps as to the other posts, its obvious they don't know how to read a dogs pedigree.
     
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  5. mutley

    mutley THE KING Registered

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    so what does no limit racing mean i thought it means no limit on weight so if they were restricted to a certain weight wouldn't it totally contradict the word no limit :) i think chris is spot on too :thumbsup: say who u are then frenchy :D
     
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  6. GRAHAM PEM

    GRAHAM PEM New Member Registered

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    MONSIEUR WE DO THAT NOW I THINK YOUR WAY BEHIND TIMES IF YOU POST UNDER YOUR REAL NAME MIGHT EVEN TAKE U SERIOUS.STILL PMSL
     
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  7. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    IMO your losing the plot Mutley, the point thats being made here is the breeding not the weight, is this sport called non ped racing, or can I go and buy a unmarked greyhound and race it on the bends, if so then I will, and that will make me a cheat.

    M D
     
  8. wild whippies

    wild whippies Super-D-Duper Registered

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    If what Karen says is true, then why don't organisations just let greyhounds run in the No-Limit and put an end to all the bitching? :blink:
     
  9. GRAHAM PEM

    GRAHAM PEM New Member Registered

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    O NO NOT AGAIN BEEN DOWN THIS LINE BEFORE I THINK THANKS FOR TRYING THO HAVE A NICE CRIMBO
     
  10. jasper.

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    THERE ARE PLENTY OFF WHIPPET X GREYHOUNDS, THAT WILL WHOOP A LARGE MAJORITY OFF PURE GREYHOUNDS,

    THERE ARE PLENTY OFF WHIPPET X GREYHOUND X GREYHOUND, THAT WILL ALSO BEAT A LOT OFF PURE GREYHOUNDS.

    SO WHY DOES IT MAKE A DOG TO BE AT AN ADVANTAGE, IF IT IS SAY 10 PARTS GREYHOUND, AND 2 PARTS WHIPPET.

    AND AT THE END OFF THE DAY, THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOANING ABOUT IT,.. IF YOU HAD A RACE WINNING THREE QUATER GREYHOUND CROSS OFF YOUR OWN, YOU WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING WOULD YOU,

    ALL WOULD BE OK WOULD'NT IT.

    AT THE END OFF THE DAY, NONE PED RACING NEEDS ALL THE DOGS IT CAN GET, FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS.
     
  11. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Not one reply telling us the % of whippet in this breeding, I wonder why :wacko:

    You can make light of my post and have a :lol: but you can't tell me the % can you.

    As for Billy's post :wacko: or should I say Drama Queen's posts, he's not got a clue when it comes to % s 5/8 and 3/4 = what :wacko:

    M D
     
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  12. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    My post was to educate people about the breeding program (of) some non ped racers. I was not intending to cause trouble, my statement is based on fact.

    If you or anyone else can prove to me that there is still a % (of) whippet in this breeding I will be man enough to apologize to you.

    M D
     
  13. GRAHAM PEM

    GRAHAM PEM New Member Registered

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    i think if you take a look at some of these posts even the ones written by you i think you know the answer.

    how was molly stag bred again whippet x greyhound

    magical dreams whippet x greyhound

    grahams dream whippet x greyhound

    anthonys dream whippet x greyhound

    hope you can see the word whippet in all these lines or are you blind to it and yes u are quite right there is quite alot of greyhound bloodline in them but add the little bit of whippet then that when you get your non ped from

    so please answer my question and tell me your breeding
     
  14. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Ok Graham I will, Magical Dreams =7/8 greyhound.

    Grahams Dream = 6/8 greyhound.

    Anthony's Dream = 7/8 greyhound.

    Molly Stag = 6/8 greyhound put this back to a full greyhound result = 7/8, there's a little bit more greyhound really, but for argument sake lets say 7/8.

    Now we are back to my first post, put a 7/8 greyhound over a full greyhound result = 8/8 greyhound, and what do we have, a 100% litter of greyhounds, so come on prove me wrong.

    :clown: regarding the whippet % your saying, well Graham theres 3 W s,

    Whippet it in, Whippet out, and Wipe it :lol:

    M D
     
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  15. Paws123

    Paws123 NNWRF TREASURER Registered

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    I was at the last BWRA AGM and it was said that people on k9 should make themselves known ... which I believe is right ...anyone can use any user name as long as other k9 members are aware of their identify ...so MONSIEUR DUPONT who are you , I am sure if people knew who they were talking too , you may get a bit more respect and this topic might not of resorted to name calling and maybe go on to a decent discussion about how some of our scr dogs are been breed...maybe also contribute to sorting the problem some people have with the way some members are breeding greyhound crossers .

    I can understand where some scr racers may feel that the weight of some of the bigger no limits affects them racing their dogs...if you have say a no limit at 43lb and a no limit at 68lb there’s 25lb weigh diffrents ...I don't for one moment think this would make the heavy dog at any advantage in speed ...as a dog no matter what size either has it or hasn't got it ...but do think ( my own opinion ) it is putting the lighter dog at risk to injury by getting bumped or hit at knock off ...most of our racing classes are 3 , 4 or 5 lb differences IE 36lb 40lb - up to 20lb up to 25lb and so on...so why should there be a massive weigh differences in the no limit...wouldn’t the sensible thing to do is introduce another class

    After listening to a lot of scr racers there are quite a few of unhappy people, there’s been talk of capping scr racers weights...looking into 4/5 generations of breeding to try to resolve the problem....I know many will say there is no problem "no limit" means "no limit" ...but to be honest if members of scr dogs are unhappy then YES there is a problem ...I honestly believe that the situation can be resolved in a proper manner , by organizations sitting down and holding a meeting with scr dog members and coming to a compromise without all this bad feeling ...this sport is on a up and let’s hope we can keep it that way
     
  16. weathergirls

    weathergirls N.N.W.R.F. CHAIRPERSON Registered

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    spot on Dee if they really believe they are right in what they are saying and not just stirring the crap then there is absolutely no reason they should want to hide their identity :x

    our sport is on the way back up and the scratch racing is better than ever with some of the biggest classes on the card at some events one of the reasons along with the sizes of the no limit dogs the NNWRF have introduced another class in 2008 - 41lb to 48lb

    There have been comments about the breeding and size of no limit dogs over the past couple of years however it hasn't been from the owners of scratch dogs to my knowledge but from owners of the handicap whippets it was raised again at the BWRA reps meeting last sunday alongside the complaint of why should they allways run first ? No reason why they should however it does make life a little easier for those working on the traps especially on the bends

    Finally MD whoever you are please tell me how you get 100% out of 8/8 + 7/8 I get 15/16 which is 6.25%
     
  17. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Once again your avoiding answering my post, it's about the % of greyhound in some of the scratch dogs that are being bred.

    In respect with what was said at the BWRA AGM, they don't run K9, the moderaters do. If you feel that my posts are rude or offensive then please complain to them.

    At the end of the day, all I'm doing is voicing my opinion in a civil way, I realise that you are very clicky and you all pee in the same pot.

    M D
     
  18. MONSIEUR DUPONT

    MONSIEUR DUPONT New Member Registered

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    Ok Jasper, I don't think anybody would complain about a 6/8 whippet greyhound or as you put it 3/4 greyhound 1/4 whippet, but when you get 7/8 your boarding on the line of a full greyhound, but when you put a 7/8 back to a full greyhound your taking the p..s.

    M D

    ps please don't use bad language when posting, because I don't want anyones posts removed.
     
  19. Vicky

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    I've attempted to split any debate of greyhound blood in breeding from the magical dreams thread.

    Think this is worth a topic all by itself.
     
  20. jasper.

    jasper. New Member Registered

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    MONSIEUR DUPONT, DO YOU RUN A NO LIMIT DOG, AND IF NOT THEN WHAT ARE YOU CONCERNING YOURSELF ABOUT, WHEN IT DONT CONCERN YOU...

    WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT YOUR PROBLEM THEN?
     

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