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i agree with karen that there should be a dq range on height as what is the point of having a so called standard. Possibly the heights are a touch low, but then up the limit, as when were the standards formed. I am going from what i've seen, and iv'e seen some huge whippets, albeit not in shows but to me its weird. Many times to people have come to me at obedience and said "ooooh an italian greyhound" even tho crispy is perfect height standard for a bitch? So i dunno. Agreed shape and gate etc are important things as well, so maybe the whippet world council (if there is a thing) need to get together and work something out. Its good to see there is such an opinion on this. 8)