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Trouble is Law or No Law - Hunting will still go on - whether we like it or not.In my opinion its all part of countryside management - and I dont let my dogs kill because I enjoy it - its because THEY DO. and it helps to keep them healthy and fit.

Im not squeamish over it, even though I love all animals and nature alike, and how the hell do you stop a dog doing what comes naturally anyway Id like to know.

I dont think enough people know enough about where there food comes from and why, but thats just my opinion.
 
Janimal said:
Trouble is Law or No Law - Hunting will still go on - whether we like it or not.In my opinion its all  part of countryside management - and I dont let my dogs kill because I enjoy it - its because THEY DO. and it helps to keep them healthy and fit.
Im not squeamish over it, even though I love all animals and nature alike, and how the hell do you stop a dog doing what comes naturally anyway Id like to know.

I dont think enough people know enough about where there food comes from and why, but thats just my opinion.

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[SIZE=14pt]Very true,[/SIZE]
 
Any how i wanted to know where i stood if this happened..

1) out in the park tilly kills a squirel?

2) same park but she kills a rabbit, can i take it home, is that classed as stealing?

3) walking on a public bridleway, she kills a rabbit or hare in the field?

Those sort of things....
 
in our area we have a specialised police unit for illegal coarsing and they have told me that unless you are intentionally going out to catch rabbits then its just an accident and can't be helped, so if u wanted to pick it up and tale it home then it isn't stealing as the quarry doesn't actually belong to anyone.

hope this helps

Dave
 
thewarrener said:
in our area we have a specialised police unit for illegal coarsing and they have told me that unless you are intentionally going out to catch rabbits then its just an accident and can't be helped, so if u wanted to pick it up and tale it home then it isn't stealing as the quarry doesn't actually belong to anyone.
hope this helps

Dave

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That sounds very reasonable :thumbsup:
 
Janimal said:
Trouble is Law or No Law - Hunting will still go on - whether we like it or not.In my opinion its all  part of countryside management - and I dont let my dogs kill because I enjoy it - its because THEY DO. and it helps to keep them healthy and fit.
Im not squeamish over it, even though I love all animals and nature alike, and how the hell do you stop a dog doing what comes naturally anyway Id like to know.

I dont think enough people know enough about where there food comes from and why, but thats just my opinion.

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Spot on :thumbsup: .........Plus my lot like a real barf diet :D
 
I hunt rabbits with ferrets and make use of all the meat I aquire, for either me, the dogs or the ferrets.

I would much rather go out and catch and prepare completely free-range, wild food that has eaten a completely natural diet and has had a life, rather than spend £3.00 on a pre cooked tesco chicken that has been battery farmed, in crammed conditions with its only natural defences cauterised so as not to damage other chickens. Then shipped to an aboutoir where it's hung upside down on a conveyor rack, stunned in an electric bath, and fed into a saw machine (sometimes still alive) where it's head is cut off!

Which animal goes through more stress do you think? Why don't the anti's concentrate more on that side of things, as this is more cruel and in-humane than hunting!

To answer your questions Kim. Yes, you can still legally hunt rabbits and rats with dogs

If one of your dogs catches a squirrel, hare, fox etc in the park then you will not be prosecuted so long as you can show that you were not hunting that species intentionally.

I hope this helps

Ferret
 
I would much rather go out and catch and prepare completely free-range, wild food that has eaten a completely natural diet and has had a life, rather than spend £3.00 on a pre cooked tesco chicken that has been battery farmed, in crammed conditions with its only natural defences cauterised so as not to damage other chickens. Then shipped to an aboutoir where it's hung upside down on a conveyor rack, stunned in an electric bath, and fed into a saw machine (sometimes still alive) where it's head is cut off!

 

Which animal goes through more stress do you think? Why don't the anti's concentrate more on that side of things, as this is more cruel and in-humane than hunting!

[SIZE=21pt]HOW TRUE[/SIZE] :thumbsup:
 
thewarrener said:
so if u wanted to pick it up and tale it home then it isn't stealing as the quarry doesn't actually belong to anyone.

Dave

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I have to disagree with you there dave the quarry actually belongs to the person of whoms land it was on when it was taken AND THAT IS THE LAW. I think i'm qualified to know about these things. If your dogs chased a rabbit on your permission but during the chase ran and caught the rabbit on someone elses land you didn't have permission on you'd be poaching and could be prosecuted.

On my shoot if my pheasents stray onto other farmers land then they automatically belong to that farmer so unless i can coax them back they are lost birds. Even though my boos has bought them they don't belong to him unless they are on our land.
 
Lakey said:
I would much rather go out and catch and prepare completely free-range, wild food that has eaten a completely natural diet and has had a life, rather than spend £3.00 on a pre cooked tesco chicken that has been battery farmed, in crammed conditions with its only natural defences cauterised so as not to damage other chickens. Then shipped to an aboutoir where it's hung upside down on a conveyor rack, stunned in an electric bath, and fed into a saw machine (sometimes still alive) where it's head is cut off!

 

Which animal goes through more stress do you think? Why don't the anti's concentrate more on that side of things, as this is more cruel and in-humane than hunting!

[SIZE=21pt]HOW TRUE[/SIZE]  :thumbsup:

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Death - the quicker the better in my opinion, and dogs certainly know how to do that .
 
I have to disagree with you there dave the quarry actually belongs to the person of whoms land it was on when it was taken AND THAT IS THE LAW
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Mally, you are right as far as the laws concerned but laws are made to protect the property of the rich. You tell me how you can 'own' a wild animal that you have no control off. I respect phesants because the owner has paid for them, reared them and fed them etc. But rabbits Ive always thought to be fare game and doesnt the game keeper add to the excitement :- "

Please dont take this post the wrong way I know youre job is very hard and you have to deal with gangs of low lifes who dont just take the odd rabbit but there is all the fuss about this new law which is so hard to enforce, and if its like the old poaching laws the fines are small its not worth worrying about especially if you really were 'just' out walking your dog!
 
Max&Smokey said:
I have to disagree with you there dave the quarry actually belongs to the person of whoms land it was on when it was taken AND THAT IS THE LAW
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Mally, you are right as far as the laws concerned but laws are made to protect the property of the rich. You tell me how you can 'own' a wild animal that you have no control off. I respect phesants because the owner has paid for them, reared them and fed them etc. But rabbits Ive always thought to be fare game and doesnt the game keeper add to the excitement :- "

Please dont take this post the wrong way I know youre job is very hard and you have to deal with gangs of low lifes who dont just take the odd rabbit but there is all the fuss about this new law which is so hard to enforce, and if its like the old poaching laws the fines are small its not worth worrying about especially if you really were 'just' out walking your dog!

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I totally agree with you max & smokey, i was only quoting the law as the other posts quote was totally wrong and i wanted the good people of k9 to know the law.

I use common sense in my job if a young lad is out rabbiting for one for the pot i just turn a blind eye. It's the coursing gangs and night lampers that i target.
 
[SIZE=14pt]If tilly was to catch a rabbit but not kill it how would i go about making sure it was dead in the kindest way possible???[/SIZE]
 
i know this may sound a bit thick to some of you but having whippets is quite a new thing for me.....these killing machines eveyone is talking about...well are you saying all whippets will kill small furry things if they see them?....my 2 have seen ducks/rabbits/squirrels etc....and are VERY interested but i cannot imagine them killing one? am i wrong?will they one day especially as one is only young?please help?...all this breaking rabbits necks is a bit much for me im afraid!

thanks :wacko:

p.s dont shout at me! and yes i am soft! :p
 
Dont worry , Whippets are very soft but will chase anything that moves. Mine in the past liked to chase rabbits, squirrels , cats and foxes. They did this without any training its instinct. Obviously some dogs are keener than others but if you walk your whippet off the lead when rabbits are out and about dont be surprised if they catch one, once they catch one thats it you will see a change in their body language when walking in the country. Rabbits are not stupid though if your walking later in the day or are nosy it may be harder to catch one than you think. Whether your whippet catches a rabbit will depend on when and where you walk them and obviously if they are on a lead unless your really fast at running as well they will have no chance!
 
I'm not 'softy, softy'. The above link is exactly the reason I hunt as explained in my earlier post.

If you eat meat (which I do), then watch the link above.

Ferret
 
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