I Need Color Info For My Pedigrees

[almondjd]

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[Mine originate from Chilka Dairy Maid - who as far as I know is Dusky Dame's daughter.

As I understand it, Chilka Dairy Maid and Chilka Dusky Dame are litter sisters--out of Pearl of Akonyte at Chilka by Eng Ch Oakbark Middleman. I suspect that C. Dairy Maid and C. Dusky Dame are brindle & white in some proportion, because both sire and dam were, but I'm not positive--just trying to get my info straight.

[i'm pretty sure that Dairy Maid whelped Nutshell of Nevedith, who was a Crufts BIS reserve?]

This is correct, Nutshell is by Chilka Dairy Maid out of EngAmCdn Ch Nevedith Up Town Guy, in what I believe is the only litter that "Guy" sired before Peggy Newcombe bought him and brought him to the US. And she was RBIS at Crufts, I believe the year after Eng Ch Pencloe Dutch Gold went BIS at Crufts. All but one of my whippets somehow relate to the Nevedith "JJ" litter which was the litter by Dutch Gold out of Nutshell.

[Then in her next litter to Chilka Gallant Lad she threw 2 nice brindle parti bitches, one of which became my own Ellie, and mother of my recently deceased Hattie below. ]

This litter I did not know about. I'll have to update my pedigree program!

 

[Sarsanet]

[Mine originate from Chilka Dairy Maid - who as far as I know is Dusky Dame's daughter.
As I understand it, Chilka Dairy Maid and Chilka Dusky Dame are litter sisters--out of Pearl of Akonyte at Chilka by Eng Ch Oakbark Middleman.  I suspect that C. Dairy Maid and C. Dusky Dame are brindle & white in some proportion, because both sire and dam were, but I'm not positive--just trying to get my info straight.

[i'm pretty sure that Dairy Maid whelped Nutshell of Nevedith, who was a Crufts BIS reserve?]

This is correct, Nutshell is by Chilka Dairy Maid out of EngAmCdn Ch Nevedith Up Town Guy, in what I believe is the only litter that "Guy" sired before Peggy Newcombe bought him and brought him to the US.  And she was RBIS at Crufts, I believe the year after Eng Ch Pencloe Dutch Gold went BIS at Crufts.  All but one of my whippets somehow relate to the Nevedith "JJ" litter which was the litter by Dutch Gold out of Nutshell.

[Then in her next litter to Chilka Gallant Lad she threw 2 nice brindle parti bitches, one of which became my own Ellie, and mother of my recently deceased Hattie below. ]

  This litter I did not know about.  I'll have to update my pedigree program!

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If my memory serves me correctly, Nutshell wonRTBIS at Crufts in 1990 & Dutch Gold went BIS in 1992.

 

[Avalonia]

If my memory serves me correctly, Nutshell wonRTBIS at Crufts in 1990 & Dutch Gold went BIS in 1992.

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That is correct. Nutshell was also Top Dog All Breeds in the UK in 1990 and she was second Top Dog in the UK, losing by only one point, in 1991. Moreover, she won 44 CCs, all in competition with more than 100, and usually more than 200 whippets in the entry, and ALL were under different judges. She was never shown to the same judge twice, unlike the unsavory propensity for some North American competitors seeking top dog status to chase judges who have put them up, even if this means they have to fly half way, or all the way across the continent to show the same dog to the same judge, over and over and over again. It is unlikely Nutshell's record will ever be eclipsed given the numerical strength of the whippet in the UK and the strength and vigor of the breed across the dog and bitch ranks. Hers was a remarkable achievement.

Lanny

 

[T Hoare]

So which ones are in need of now, I've lost track.

I have the Breed Supplements for Whippets registered in UK with the Kennel club going back to 1991, so if you know year of birth it would make it easier for me to look up. :cheers:

 

[Isla]

Hi all,
I am trying to fill in some color information for whippets in my groups pedigree(s) and am stuck on the following whippets:

Chilka Dairy Maid

Chilka Dusky Dame

Nav Anna of Nevedith

Siobahn of Hillsdown

Sakonnet Alfalfa

Katie of Bewdisan

Sporting Fields Genes that Fit

Broadstrider's By George

Gatsby's Gypsy

Sporting Fields Gatsby's Mimi

Shilo'a Avia of Sporting Field

Also, does anyone know if Nevedith Dawn Dazzler was sired by Nipper of Nevedith or by Aust Ch Nevedith Call Me Dash

 

[Isla]

Hi all,

I am trying to fill in some color information for whippets in my groups pedigree(s) and am stuck on the following whippets:

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Chilka Dusky Dame dark brindle with clown face markings and white trim.

 

[almondjd]

Chilka Dusky Dame dark brindle with clown face markings and white trim.

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Thanks for the info. One more down...I think I'm still missing Sakonnet Alfafa, Chilka Dairy Maid and some of the Sporting Fields whippets.

Jalynn

 

[almondjd]

So which ones are in need of now, I've lost track.

I have the Breed Supplements for Whippets registered in UK with the Kennel club going back to 1991, so if you know year of birth it would make it easier for me to look up. :cheers:

Thanks for the offer...I think all of the whippets I'm still missing info on go back before 1991, though.

Jalynn

 

[Avalonia]

Chilka Dusky Dame dark brindle with clown face markings and white trim.

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Thanks for the info. One more down...I think I'm still missing Sakonnet Alfafa, Chilka Dairy Maid and some of the Sporting Fields whippets.

Jalynn

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I can help you out with some of those. While I was in England earlier this month attending Crufts I stayed with the Newtons and one day Edith and I went through her positively complete record system of all the dogs they have ever owned and/or bred. There was a lovely photo of Sakonnet Alfalfa the first I have seen of her. She was a fawn brindle bitch with a few white points on toes, chest and muzzle.

Shilo's Avia of Sporting Field was a lemon brindle and white bitch. She had a large white collar, white legs, and white chest and blaze. She didn't have enough white to call her a particolour but she was very attractively marked with balanced markings. Her colour via her son SF Kinsman, was often passed down to Sporting Fields dogs, including one we owned -- Am.Cdn.Ch.SBIS Carbeth Logan of Sporting Field.

Broadstrider By George was a very striking dog, making an immediate impression the first time I saw him. Chip was a black brindle and white dog with a white tuxedo front and belly, wide white blaze that ran between two jet black eyes, and he had a white collar that extended from the back of his skull and continued cutting into a very favourable 45 degree angle to the shoulder blade. The net effect of that white collar was to enhance the impression of a good shoulder set. He had white feet and a white tail tip, but his legs were black brindle down almost to the top of the foot.

Lanny

 

[Judy]

So which ones are in need of now, I've lost track.

I have the Breed Supplements for Whippets registered in UK with the Kennel club going back to 1991, so if you know year of birth it would make it easier for me to look up. :cheers:

Thanks for the offer...I think all of the whippets I'm still missing info on go back before 1991, though.

Jalynn

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Yes they were and unfortunately the breed supplements didn't start recording colour info until the last quarter of 1988

 

[IanGerman]

Its taken a while and I still can't locate the piccy I REALLY wanted - however in the photo below is Irvonhill Elenor on the left, with her 2 daughters Dotty and Hatty by her side.

Irvonhill Elenor is by Chilka Gallant Lad out of Chilka Dairymaid, and niece to Nutshell of Nevedith. I'm told she looks very much like her mother, and also her aunt - Chilky Dusky Maid (and incidentally not too disimilar to Shelly herself)

Although Ellie passed away a few years ago, and I lost Dottie last July, and Hatty in January, I still have Ellie's grand-daughter and great grandson.

 

[Avalonia]

Irvonhill Elenor is by Chilka Gallant Lad out of Chilka Dairymaid, and niece to Nutshell of Nevedith. I'm told she looks very much like her mother, and also her aunt - Chilky Dusky Maid (and incidentally not too disimilar to Shelly herself)

And her dam was Penny Royal of Chilka (Ch. Oakbark Middleman x Ch. Hillsdown Roison)?

Who was Elenor bred to to produce the two daughters seen in your picture? The only mating I have in my records is a dog called Powerful Paddy who produced a bitch called Wishingstar Crystal Rose...

Lanny Morry

 

[bertha]

Have never heard of irish marked in all my years being involved with whippets. Markings like that are usually registered as for example, fawn with white trim, black with white trim etc., in the UK.!! :cheers:

 

[aslan]

And yet, I thought it was a common description! Perhaps the Americans use it more than the English?

This discussion has actually come up before on k9. Below is my beautiful Irish marked mouse pad dog.

 

[IanGerman]

And her dam was Penny Royal of Chilka (Ch. Oakbark Middleman x Ch. Hillsdown Roison)?

Who was Elenor bred to to produce the two daughters seen in your picture? The only mating I have in my records is a dog called Powerful Paddy who produced a bitch called Wishingstar Crystal Rose...

Lanny Morry

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Thanks for your interest Lanny – and at the risk of jacking the thread – here goes!

The Barkers originally bred whippets under the affix of Chilka – they had also bred Bostons and eventually decided to give up whippet breeding to concentrate on Bostons instead (confusingly still using the Chilka affix!) Their son, Tony took up breeding the whippet lines under his own affix of Irvonhill, but from his parent’s whippets once they had ceased with the breed.

Irvonhill Elenor was from his first mating of Penny Royal of Chilka with Chilka Gallent Lad ( thats the way its spelt on the certificate  ) As far as I know there were only 2 of the litter that went showing – my own Ellie and a sister that Tony kept for himself. Ellie did very well as a puppy but she was a bit elbowy and once she hit Junior she was being overlooked. That was when we tried racing – and she loved that!

I mated her while I was still showing to Gwaihir Trussadi of Bondicar – a semi-rescue who’d done a lot of winning and had his Junior Warrant who’d been returned to his breeder. She had a litter of 8 but the only one that went showing was Wishingstar Queen of Rings – a bitch puppy that we kept, the rest went as pets. She was a gorgeous fawn and white parti and we thought she was destined for greatness when she won Northern Counties Ch Show on her first outing! It wasn’t to be, however – she was extremely highly strung and proved almost impossible to show. She was loved as a pet though, and once the family went racing, she came too. She won Dog of the Year 4 times at East Anglia PWRC (aided by the handicap system in use at the time – she WAS show bred after all  )

Ellie was mated a second time (she was a confirmed racer by this time, albeit still a show bred, and considerably heavy for her height) I took her to Powerful Paddy, a fast lightweight dog, brindle and white parti again and she whelped 6 puppies. The one you mentioned Wishingstar Crystal Rose went as a pet but 4 of the 6 saw action on the track. The 2 I kept were (all with Wishingstar affix) Dottie Daydream & Hat Out Of Belle (racing as Slightly Dottie and Hatt Outta Belle) Two others raced – Paddywhack and Dream of Me (racing as Telegram Sam and Winsome) My own Hatty proved the best of the bunch failing to win her championship as a youngster she finally came good at 6 years of age, winning her Veteran Crown and giving me the best day out ever 

I seem to have rambled on a bit here – apologies for anyone having to read it!

 

[T Hoare]

And yet, I thought it was a common description!  Perhaps the Americans use it more than the English?
This discussion has actually come up before on k9.  Below is my beautiful Irish marked mouse pad dog. 

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This colour I would refer to as a black with white trim or some may say black with white points.

 

[TC]

And yet, I thought it was a common description!  Perhaps the Americans use it more than the English?
This discussion has actually come up before on k9.  Below is my beautiful Irish marked mouse pad dog. 

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Oh I like him :wub: Do you know who he is??

I wouldn't call him Irish marked though, I thought the white had to go right round the neck? I'd say he was black with white trim, but I'm still learning :b

TCx

 

[Avalonia]

First of all thank you Ian for the information on the dogs descended from your girl whose photograph I commented on. Now I shall add this information to my pedigree program!

On the question of Irish marked, this seems to be a very American term, but one used for as long as I can remember and for a long time it confused me as I was never certain where an Irish marked dog began and ended and where a genuine parti-colour dog began and ended.

The other day I was reading an older article published in 19986 by the American Whippet Club and authored by Dr. James Gray, a well known whippet breeder/exhibitor at that time. At the risk of confusing everyone more I am reproducing below what he said about colour inheritance in the coat of whippets. Note the descriptive he applies to Irish marked. As you can see, it does not require a full white collar, and in fact, it is common in my experience that a dog described as Irish marked has only a partial white collar.

Here are Dr. Gray's comments on colour inheritance:

The other gene-site extremely important in our breed is that site governing white spotting. There are four alleles possible, but only one pair present in each animal.

The most dominant allele is the one producing self-color, or solid color. Again, certain 'minus' modifying factors are usually operative and almost all self- colored whippets have very small amounts of white present, usually on toe-tips and chest, and perhaps a small white mark on the muzzle or neck.

Recessive to self-color, the next allele is that for Irish-spotting. This pattern allows for a bit more white in specific areas, i.e. chest, feet, face, neck and tail-tip. The typically Irish-marked whippet may have a white collar, blaze, a white chest and solid white feet with 'stockings', and almost always, a white tail- tip. Again, modifying factors can restrict the white to the point that an Irish- marked dog may be difficult to distinguish from a self-colored dog whose modifying factors allow for some white in those areas.

Recessive to those two alleles is the allele for pie-bald spotting, that allows for the full array of parti-color patterns. Typically, they appear to be white dogs with spots of color, although, genetically, they are colored dogs with areas of white. Usually, the colored areas cover the eyes and ears, and appear in somewhat saddle-fashion down the body. Actually, the pattern can vary in almost every way.

There is a fourth allele, recessive to the others, that allows for extreme pie-bald spotting. When paired at the gene-site, dogs are produced that are all white with only very small areas of color appearing.

The last gene-site operative for color genetics in whippets contains the genes for the presence or absence of 'ticking'. In other breeds this is defined as 'flecks' of color appearing on a white dog. In the whippet, these patches or 'flecks' of color appear to be mostly limited to the skin of the animal, and are visible through the overlying white hair, especially when the dog is wet. The dominant allele allows the presence of ticking, the recessive allele, when paired, produces no ticking.

Lanny Morry

 

[aslan]

Below is my beautiful Irish marked mouse pad dog. 

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Oh I like him :wub: Do you know who he is??

TCx

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I ADORE him and I have no idea who he is - or if in fact he was an actual dog at all. I picked up the mouse pad and a painted tile in exactly the same design when I was at the Whippet Spec in California in 2002. There was nothing on the packaging or the items themselves to say who the dogs were. (There are three whippets depicted - the other two are puppies. And now I don't even recall who the artist is.

 

[TC]

Below is my beautiful Irish marked mouse pad dog. 

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Oh I like him :wub: Do you know who he is??

TCx

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I ADORE him and I have no idea who he is - or if in fact he was an actual dog at all. I picked up the mouse pad and a painted tile in exactly the same design when I was at the Whippet Spec in California in 2002. There was nothing on the packaging or the items themselves to say who the dogs were. (There are three whippets depicted - the other two are puppies. And now I don't even recall who the artist is.

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Well someone out there was a very lucky owner if he was/is a real whippet :wub:

TCx