In Season Bitches

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different things are expected and desired between horses and dogs showing,
a dog on the scent of a bitch will strain his neck down to sniff the floor, will try sniffing any butt that comes near him, may try scent marking, may have hightened dog aggression and will most deffinately be at the very least fidgitting and unsettled... not the picture you want to present to the judge.

a well trained controlled stallion on the other hand will be highly alert, ears pricked, head up, snorting and flaring, drinking in the wind, powering and ellivating his stride... just the thing that can give him the edge in some breeds.

it might be very annoying to you that you loose out on the entry fee or your girl is being pursued by a wound up slavering sex pest hound but it's just as annoying, if not more, for the dog owner to have their own dog's chances scuppered and their dogs wound up because a sweet smelling girl wafted past him, or was benched near him or on his bench or in the same ring the day before.

most people use common sense and good manners and don't bring an in season girl to a show but the one or two that do can bollox up an awful lot of dogs chances by their selfish actions.

it's just not sporting

i did say i wouldnt bring an in season bitch to a show as i dont agree with it :thumbsup:

 

[chelynnah]

However, I am sick of the owners of dogs constantly asking 'is she is season?' when their dogs won't go away and leave her alone at other times!! Very annoying and they should not just use this as an excuse when their dogs are out of control.

Wise up! It is not a matter of dogs being 'out of control' but doing what comes naturally! And it does not matter HOW well behaved or trained a dog is, if there is a bitch around in season of course they are going to show interest. You say at any other time the dogs leave her alone so I can't see how you can call them 'out of control'. I am certainly not going to keep my dogs on a lead all the time just in case somebody happens to walk their in season bitch in the same place as me, especially when I keep bitches myself and can manage to exercise them without unwarranted attention from dogs when they are in season, so as far as I am concerned it is down to bitch owners to beware!!!

Dessie, I actually read Caitlins post to say the dogs DON'T go away and DON'T leave her alone at other times and that's what she gets frustrated by. I can certainly relate. Savannah has always been attractive to males even when she was nowhere near a season. And it was very frustrating to have dog owners be mad at us for supposedly having an in season bitch because they couldn't control their dogs. There was something about her scent and I had to accept that, but to be shouted at by a dog owner for having an in season bitch around when she wasn't (and I've even offered to turn her upside down and let them swab her with a tissue) is extremely frustrating.

Some bitches just smell good no matter what - and I think sometimes bitch owners (certainly in my case with Savannah) get the blame for having an in season bitch when it's not the case and the dogs are just randy. And I think that's the point Caitlin was trying to make.

Wendy

 

[nina]

If people are going to bring bitches in season, I think it's good to be prepared. That's a separate topic from whether or not it's unsporting. As I have said, it's NOT something that is strongly discouraged over here, so if an owner does it, it's NOT considered unsporting. It would not occur to me to be angry at a fellow exhibitor over here for bringing a bitch in season to a show so long as she held her away from the males as much as possible and didn't shove her vulva (the bitch's, that is) in my dog's face right before I was going into the ring.
It may have something to do with our system, and how numbers of entries count. I'd be much more upset if I'd driven five or six hours to a show where there was a major entry in bitches, with a dog or bitch who needed a major to finish, only to find that the major had broken because some people's bitches had come in season so they didn't bring them and I had to put my dog back in the car and drive home without showing.

I assume that there will be a few bitches in heat at every show. Even bitches who aren't entered may be in the parking and walking area because some of our exhibitors travel in motor homes with their entire kennel, and can't leave the in-season bitches at home. At the National specialty over here, every year there are people who HOPE their bitches will come in season while they are there so they can be put to or delivered without air shipping to males who are also there. It's just a fact of life of showing dogs here in the US. Last year at the National, we had a bitch in standing heat right across the hall from us.

Therefore, when I show a male who is studdy, I am prepared.

I have a bottle of vanilla extract in MY show bag.

It's something to try if this happens to you. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone as I am only intending to be helpful. You can still be angry at the fellow exhibitor if you feel they are being unsporting, but maybe you might get a decent show out of your dog.

I was personally THRILLED to learn these little tricks of the trade when someone told me of them. They have salvaged several show days for me with young males who were a little too randy after they caught a scent.

I think these are great tips & i for one will make a note of them for future reference. :thumbsup:

At the moment i only have bitches to show but in the past i showed males whom had been used at stud too & i have never had a problem. They lived with my bitches whilst they were in season, travelled with them so i never had a problem when showing if there was someone' else's bitch in season at the show.

I personally would not show a bitch in full season, one i wouldnt like to put her at risk of infection & two i think most bitches tend to straddle & move a bit wide behind at this stage. :-

However a few days at the very start of the season before they start to swell or lose too much or at the very tail end of the season i dont see a problem with providing folk are sensible & keep the bitch well away from where the dogs are being judged when they are being judged.

I have always been led to believe that this is amongst other things one of the main reasons that all Ch Shows over here always schedule ALL dogs of any breed in the ring before bitches or in the larger breeds like ours mostly we have seperate rings anyway.

I have known some dogs go nuts around owners who havent even had their bitch at the show but have obviously carried the scent with them on their clothes in which case apart from banning the owner from attending the show with their other exhibits there is really not much one can do!

I think all males are different & some can be over amorous even when there are no bitches in season, like someone else mentioned one of my bitches ALWAYS seems to attract the attentions of males who will not leave her alone, yet she has NEVER been shown whilst in season. :wacko:

Again, i think its all about being sensible.

Thanks again for those tips :thumbsup:

 

[T Hoare]

Well the age old thing of 'it's separate sex classes' thing is a crock.

The bitch could very well be caged or benched next to or within the vacinity of a male.

If people with bitches (of which I am one) can't leave their bitch at home for the ENTIRE 3 weeks(dependant on the bitch) it's pretty poor & just goes to show the lengths some will go to just for a bit of card.

 

[05whippet]

Personally speaking I have no problem with my males showing if there are bitches in season about....but then they live and sleep in the same house as my in season bitches and at night even sleep in the the same room albeit in different crates (bitches in one and dogs in the other on opposite sides of our bed) with no problems at all. Both my males have been used and therefore do know what it is all about BUT they also know that when they are in the ring they concentrate on me and they are very good boys,even at home I only have to tell them "no..leave her alone" and to "go and lie down" and they will,and I can certainly tell you it DOES NOT affect their stud duties or confuse them at all by being distracted from an in season bitch or being told to "leave her alone" same way as it does not affect a stallions stud duties if he is trained to only cover when allowed...otherwise could you imagine the chaos not to mention downright danger at every horse show if no one had any control over their stallions!!!! Offer a full blooded entire male of any animal species a "ripe" female and he aint going to have much problem producing the goods as such,no matter whether he has been reprimanded previously or not!

I have to add that I would'nt personally show a bitch who is in full season for the reasons that Nik has mentioned above,but I also can honestly say it does'nt bother me either way if others do. But maybe I am just odd?

And thanks for the tips Karen! I shall add those things to my show box. :thumbsup:

 

[caitlin]

However, I am sick of the owners of dogs constantly asking 'is she is season?' when their dogs won't go away and leave her alone at other times!! Very annoying and they should not just use this as an excuse when their dogs are out of control.

Wise up! It is not a matter of dogs being 'out of control' but doing what comes naturally! And it does not matter HOW well behaved or trained a dog is, if there is a bitch around in season of course they are going to show interest. You say at any other time the dogs leave her alone so I can't see how you can call them 'out of control'. I am certainly not going to keep my dogs on a lead all the time just in case somebody happens to walk their in season bitch in the same place as me, especially when I keep bitches myself and can manage to exercise them without unwarranted attention from dogs when they are in season, so as far as I am concerned it is down to bitch owners to beware!!!

Dessie, I actually read Caitlins post to say the dogs DON'T go away and DON'T leave her alone at other times and that's what she gets frustrated by. I can certainly relate. Savannah has always been attractive to males even when she was nowhere near a season. And it was very frustrating to have dog owners be mad at us for supposedly having an in season bitch because they couldn't control their dogs. There was something about her scent and I had to accept that, but to be shouted at by a dog owner for having an in season bitch around when she wasn't (and I've even offered to turn her upside down and let them swab her with a tissue) is extremely frustrating.

Some bitches just smell good no matter what - and I think sometimes bitch owners (certainly in my case with Savannah) get the blame for having an in season bitch when it's not the case and the dogs are just randy. And I think that's the point Caitlin was trying to make.

Wendy

Thanks Wendy!

Yes, that IS what I was saying! I have had dogs trying to follow us home from the park when my bitch has been nowhere near a season! And yes, I know it's natural for dogs to sniff other dogs - I let my bitch do this - but I also think a dog that refuses to come away from an OUT of season bitch when called is not under the owner's control.

Caitlin

 

[nina]

Personally, as i have stated, i think its its about being sensible & fair to others. :thumbsup:

As there is no KC ruling about this i guess the dog owners will just have to learn to live with it, same as i & a good majority of others had to, as all the whinging in the world isnt going to stop folk doing what they want to do regarding this, until there is such a ruling by the KC

You will always get some inconsiderate people who will insist on showing their bitch no matter what, but hopefully most will be courteous & thoughtful of others & of the welfare of their bitch

 

[Seraphina]

I have had dogs trying to follow us home from the park when my bitch has been nowhere near a season! And yes, I know it's natural for dogs to sniff other dogs - I let my bitch do this - but I also think a dog that refuses to come away from an OUT of season bitch when called is not under the owner's control.
Caitlin

I always thought that if bitch is attractive to males even when not in season it may mean she has bit of a bacterial infection.

 

[seaspot_run]

My specials dog is madly in love with a competitor's bitch. He acts like she's in season every time he sees her, and she does NOT have an infection. I have to handle him like he's in the ring with a ripe bitch when she is entered against him. But her owner has every right to show her bitch even though she drives my boy wild with her sexy smell and figure. I have another male who thinks every gold fawn bitch is in heat, because he was exposed to a gold fawn bitch who WAS in heat right at the time the first splash of hormones hit his walnut-sized brain. The brindles are only attractive to him if they actually are in season. What can I say? the boy has good taste.

I have also had a couple of bitches that, for whatever reason, smelled good or were sexy to males who did not live with them (males that did were apparently immune to their scent). I had them cultured, etc. and absolutely NOTHING showed up worth treating.

I have another question, since I've seen it repeated a few times on this thread....is there some reason that an in-season bitch is more prone to picking up an infection? That's a new one on me, especially since nobody recommends that if you have a bitch in heat you don't go to the show at all with your other dogs. They're going to bring home the Dog Show Crud Du Jour and expose anyone you leave behind just as much.

 

[nina]

I have had dogs trying to follow us home from the park when my bitch has been nowhere near a season! And yes, I know it's natural for dogs to sniff other dogs - I let my bitch do this - but I also think a dog that refuses to come away from an OUT of season bitch when called is not under the owner's control.
Caitlin

I always thought that if bitch is attractive to males even when not in season it may mean she has bit of a bacterial infection.

That honestly is a new one on me :b & i have to say i have not found that to be true

 

[Wayward_Angel]

In NZ, bitches in heat can't go to racing, obedience, coursing... but there is no rule that a bitch cannot go to a show and be shown. Personally I wouldn't take an in season bitch to a show and show her. But what I would do is take a bitch to a show if a dog I had planned on mating her too was there and mate her. (there is no rule against that in NZ) and is often done at shows.

 

[Seraphina]

I have had dogs trying to follow us home from the park when my bitch has been nowhere near a season! And yes, I know it's natural for dogs to sniff other dogs - I let my bitch do this - but I also think a dog that refuses to come away from an OUT of season bitch when called is not under the owner's control.
Caitlin

I always thought that if bitch is attractive to males even when not in season it may mean she has bit of a bacterial infection.

That honestly is a new one on me :b & i have to say i have not found that to be true

I did not say that means she definitely has infection, but bitch that has infection can smell, which may attract dogs and other bitches. That does not seem to be so surprising to me.

Anyway if dogs were overly interested in my bitch who was not in season, i would have her checked.

 

[Noise]

I have another question, since I've seen it repeated a few times on this thread....is there some reason that an in-season bitch is more prone to picking up an infection? That's a new one on me, especially since nobody recommends that if you have a bitch in heat you don't go to the show at all with your other dogs. They're going to bring home the Dog Show Crud Du Jour and expose anyone you leave behind just as much.

erm, I think the same reason as for human ladies and doggy ladies don't even have knickers on.

 

[GotWhippet?]

I have another question, since I've seen it repeated a few times on this thread....is there some reason that an in-season bitch is more prone to picking up an infection? That's a new one on me, especially since nobody recommends that if you have a bitch in heat you don't go to the show at all with your other dogs. They're going to bring home the Dog Show Crud Du Jour and expose anyone you leave behind just as much.

erm, I think the same reason as for human ladies and doggy ladies don't even have knickers on.

how? I am a nurse of the human variety and I still don't know what you mean.

What is the inference for female dogs going to shows on season? or is this just guessing? I've seen dogs interested in my bitch at shows when she was no where near a season, nor did she have an infection. Not my fault other people have randy dogs and can't control them.

 

[Noise]

I have another question, since I've seen it repeated a few times on this thread....is there some reason that an in-season bitch is more prone to picking up an infection? That's a new one on me, especially since nobody recommends that if you have a bitch in heat you don't go to the show at all with your other dogs. They're going to bring home the Dog Show Crud Du Jour and expose anyone you leave behind just as much.

erm, I think the same reason as for human ladies and doggy ladies don't even have knickers on.

how? I am a nurse of the human variety and I still don't know what you mean.

I was just guessing, as there is advice out there saying that say having sex while on period can risk picking up an infection or not using public pools while on period.

 

[Noise]

found some scientific basis 8)

Rather than being a means of ridding the uterus of bacteria, menstruation is likely to be the time of greatest bacterial contamination (including infection from gonorrhea and chlamydia). This occurs for two reasons.
(1) When the mucus barrier in the cervix is lost during menses, the bacteria that live in the cervical canal and vagina may gain access to the uterus and upper genital tract.

(2) Through observations in laparoscopy, we know that 90 percent of women with normal, unobstructed Fallopian tubes have retrograde menstruation. That is, menstrual blood and debris are flushed upward into the tubes and pelvic cavity, as well as down into the vagina.

This two-directional menstrual flow provides another mechanism for bacteria to pass from the lower genital tract into the Fallopian tubes. This may explain why symptoms of upper genital tract infection often appear shortly after menstruation.

the article

 

[GotWhippet?]

Women are most definately at a higher risk of infection during their period but most of these risks are not in dogs.

This happens in humans so it's feasible to suggest that a bitches own bacteria, from the vagina, going into the "open" cervix during a season and cause infection.

That still has nothing to do with catching anything from a dog show.

 

[T Hoare]

In NZ, bitches in heat can't go to racing, obedience, coursing... but there is no rule that a bitch cannot go to a show and be shown. Personally I wouldn't take an in season bitch to a show and show her. But what I would do is take a bitch to a show if a dog I had planned on mating her too was there and mate her. (there is no rule against that in NZ) and is often done at shows.

(w00t) I'm quite shocked.

 

[Wayward_Angel]

Why? if the dog is there, the bitch is there - find a private place to do a mating why not!! If the owners have tents at shows they have done it there, behind some trees etc.. could possibly even be less stressful on the bitch instead of flying her and sending her to a strangers place..

I haven't done it, but know of others that have. And if the timing was right I would take up the option with one of my bitches who, the last time came in season I sent her to the dog- end results were a bitch that fretted so much she went out of season.

But as I said its not forbidden in NZ. And is done with no one (that I have heard of complaining) Such a great place NZ!!

 

[dolly]

It amazes me the pEOPLE complaining about 'males' out of control seem to be the people with MAINLY girls -_-

Having handled scent hounds, on the last day of a four day show outdoors, 3 days of bitches on heat in the rings, you might as well leave the dog and home.. Its no difference with the whippets too, Harry is NOT out of control, but when you can blatenly see people washing down bitches, with tissue etc, im sorry bitches on heat SHOULD NOT BE SHOWN. Bitches do not move right when on heat, they are slighlty legargic, bloated even !!

The kennel club rules in this coutry in the UK, states the 'MATING OF BITCHES WITHIN THE PRECINTS OF THE SHOW IN STRICTLEY FORBIDDEN'