Is K9 Partly Too Fault?

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ive never none a dog sight which talks has much crap has this thank god i only look when harlow is about to race whippets im glad i only race greyhounds

 

[Debbie b]

ive never none a dog sight which talks has much crap has this thank god i only look when harlow is about to race whippets im glad i only race greyhounds

simple answer to that don't read it or post

 

[June Jonigk]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

As a ped racer - absolutely spot on :thumbsup:

 

[wild whippies]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol: :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

Hi wild whippets , I feel, I have just stepped into a mind field of contention, It was not by any means my intention :b to upset or take away anything that people like yourself or others have done for this fantastic dog.

Being new to this forum and the world of Whippets I very much value the wealth of information and years of experience that you and others have to offer people like myself . :thumbsup:

.

Do you take prisoners or am I to be shot at dawn :sweating:

Hiya Liverpoolmitch, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but only just read this. Your quite right there is a bit of a minefield of contention but none of this is aimed at yourself. There was some stuff that definately needed to be said because some folk think they can pull the wool over some people's eyes and they need to know they WILL get caught out, it's meerly a matter of time.

By the way, are you from Liverpool? If so you'll have to come down the lancs and meet us all some time, don't worry about blindfolds and ropes etc, I've got plenty.

 

[tony warren]

jac omg what have i said lol

 

[jane002]

Just been reading this through,

and i think you will find its purebreeds - not pedigree,

purebred refers to the animal having a known ancestry, and pedigree refers to the written record of breeding.

 

[weathergirls]

ive never none a dog sight which talks has much crap has this thank god i only look when harlow is about to race whippets im glad i only race greyhounds

seeing as HARLOW has been cancelled then we can hopefully say bye for now then -_-

 

[liverpoolmitch]

SPOT ON JAC I KNOW OF PEDIES WITH NON PED BLOOD LINES ILL SAY NO MORE ON THAT :-

I wish you would say more Tony, even if it's in confidence with your anonyminity assured. Because these are the biggest cheats of all, not only are they cheating their fellow racers but their altering the breed and it's integrity with the Kennel Club.

High I'm new to Whippets but find this post quite intresting so be kind if I'm talking a load of rubbish Is it anything to do that you can substantiate a pedigree Whippet if its KC reg through the Kennel club but that would be difficult to prove how accurate with a none pedigree and in some cases not all, but in someyou might have to take it at face value that the peds correct and there has'nt been a out cross in its makeup somewhere in its breeding, As i say I'm still learning about these great little dogs and if it does the Job what the hell

good point but even a kc ped is only as accurate as the people reg the pups?

IN THAT CASE I WON'T MY MONEY BACK :lol:

I agree but you got to draw a line somewhere also you can write anything down on a pedigree, if you dont have to back it up ! I often see, on another forum, blokes selling dogs one wk, its a grey x Whippet and if it dos'nt sell a couple of wks later its a Bull x grey at least with a KC ,theres a record of the stud dog and the bitches that have been put to him and what litters are reg to him, again not just a name on paper, you have to back it up with a recorded Doc that a third partie (The Kennel club)as genuine. Abone for contention, Why would the owner of a top rasing KC stud put his name to anything other than litters there dog has sired, I think your right that all KCs not being accurate but thats more likely to be your backyard breeders, who are in it for the money. :unsure: God what have I got myself into :lol: :lol:

The Kennel Club do not witness matings or births, the funny thing is that with the likes of K9, we all got a first hand account of a date pups are born, how many where born and what they looked like. Along with the fact quite a few matings take place at racing events or have been witnessed by someone unrelated to both parties.

I can give you many, many worthwhile reasons why people will lie on registration papers but I'll give you one relevant to pedigree whippets.

Non-peds are faster, not only is this a fact no-one would dispute but there's also been medical research into a gene anamoly within non-peds that has proven that dogs who possess one of the mutations will be faster.

Line a non-ped to a peddy whippet and I'm pretty sure they will be faster than their genuine KC pedigree whippet counterparts. If the non-ped happened to be a bully whippet, I'd pretty much guarantee it. Interestingly research within peds in the UK on the myostatin mutation revealed no dogs possessing it so it would be pretty damning if it popped up within the breed. (the test was voluntary by the way) :-

There are many benefits to being the breeder of the fastest pups within a sport- two of the biggest motivators being pride and money so it's not just backyard breeders who would be inclined to lie on KC registration papers.

One thing I will praise the pedigree racing world for is introducing DNA testing because I can't help but feel they need it more than we do.

Hi wild whippets , I feel, I have just stepped into a mind field of contention, It was not by any means my intention :b to upset or take away anything that people like yourself or others have done for this fantastic dog.

Being new to this forum and the world of Whippets I very much value the wealth of information and years of experience that you and others have to offer people like myself . :thumbsup:

.

Do you take prisoners or am I to be shot at dawn :sweating:

Hiya Liverpoolmitch, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but only just read this. Your quite right there is a bit of a minefield of contention but none of this is aimed at yourself. There was some stuff that definately needed to be said because some folk think they can pull the wool over some people's eyes and they need to know they WILL get caught out, it's meerly a matter of time.

By the way, are you from Liverpool? If so you'll have to come down the lancs and meet us all some time, don't worry about blindfolds and ropes etc, I've got plenty.

Hi wild whippets, its nice to see someone with a good sence of humour :thumbsup:

IT WAS HUMOUR WASNT IT(Blindfold and Rope :wacko: :blink: :sweating:

Thanks for the invite I might just take you up on that ,When and where, Cheers

 

[wild whippies]

The bend bonanza at westhoughton greyhound stadium on Sunday 15th February is probably your best bet. There'll be loads of us there and you'll get to see peds, non-peds, lurchers and terriers racing. (plus you'll be safe cos it's a public event)

Check out the flyer on the forum for more details or PM me.