Letting Traps Go

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totaly agree with piglet :thumbsup:

 

[DavidH]

I've often wondered why on the scratch racing why the traps have to be placed so close together, surly if the were spaced a bit further apart any dogs that might comes out at an angle, (like they some times do) due to not trapping to good on the day, would have more room to correct them selves without interfering with the dog next to it, :blink: also it's easier for the people putting their dogs in the traps. Perhaps there's a good reason why they are placed close together, maybe some could enlighten me as to why this is please.???

 

Sorry Davidh for asking this on your post, but i think like a few others that trapping is just as important as the race it's self. :thumbsup: interesting subject. :thumbsup: di

good point give the dogs a bit space on coming out as sometime they can come out all shapes and not start straight :thumbsup:

another point the knock off should the lure be stopped min 25 yards over the line minimum a mark would stop any controversy.

what about folks waving items at the knock off may be ok for theres but off putting to other dogs causing them to ease over the line (w00t)

i think if these points are looked at it will be better racing :thumbsup:

 

[Karen-Coral]

Totaly agree with 1yard infront for scratch racing giving all dogs same chance---

With regards to staggered start with there often being up to 16yards difference ----i always go behind with lure about ten yards where possible -------

that way the lure is well up to speed before last trap meaning they have less chance of catching it--even when released a little prematurely---

plus dogs are well ready even before they sight the lure as they hear it -- makes for faster trapping/less reruns---

just what has worked for me -----I always had fast trappers/front or back dog---

steve

 

[Karen-Coral]

I've often wondered why on the scratch racing why the traps have to be placed so close together, surly if the were spaced a bit further apart any dogs that might comes out at an angle, (like they some times do) due to not trapping to good on the day, would have more room to correct them selves without interfering with the dog next to it, :blink: also it's easier for the people putting their dogs in the traps. Perhaps there's a good reason why they are placed close together, maybe some could enlighten me as to why this is please.???

 

Sorry Davidh for asking this on your post, but i think like a few others that trapping is just as important as the race it's self. :thumbsup: interesting subject. :thumbsup: di

good point give the dogs a bit space on coming out as sometime they can come out all shapes and not start straight :thumbsup:

another point the knock off should the lure be stopped min 25 yards over the line minimum a mark would stop any controversy.

what about folks waving items at the knock off may be ok for theres but off putting to other dogs causing them to ease over the line (w00t)

i think if these points are looked at it will be better racing :thumbsup:

David if your dog is a lure dog its eyes will ben firmly on lure even after race is well finished often when your walking away with dog on lead and lure boy is going back down to traps with it--

steve

 

[Trojan]

I've often wondered why on the scratch racing why the traps have to be placed so close together, surly if the were spaced a bit further apart any dogs that might comes out at an angle, (like they some times do) due to not trapping to good on the day, would have more room to correct them selves without interfering with the dog next to it, :blink: also it's easier for the people putting their dogs in the traps. Perhaps there's a good reason why they are placed close together, maybe some could enlighten me as to why this is please.???

 

Sorry Davidh for asking this on your post, but i think like a few others that trapping is just as important as the race it's self. :thumbsup: interesting subject. :thumbsup: di

good point give the dogs a bit space on coming out as sometime they can come out all shapes and not start straight :thumbsup:

another point the knock off should the lure be stopped min 25 yards over the line minimum a mark would stop any controversy.

what about folks waving items at the knock off may be ok for theres but off putting to other dogs causing them to ease over the line (w00t)

i think if these points are looked at it will be better racing :thumbsup:

I think its hard enough getting people to do jobs in the first place if we put too many stipulations on how they are to be done we may end up with less helpers !!!!!!

 

[whippit1]

[trapmen and lure drivers im sure do their best with the situation as it is you cant run this to a rule or regulation if your not happy with the way its being done have a go yourself im sure they wont mind they can take iteasy and watch racing for a change or even get achance to look after their own dogs

 

[tinarpoole]

[trapmen and lure drivers im sure do their best with the situation as it is you cant run this to a rule or regulation if your not happy with the way its being done have a go yourself im sure they wont mind they can take iteasy and watch racing for a change or even get achance to look after their own dogs

TOMS RIGHT HE RAN THE LURE FOR ALL 3 DAYS OF THE RECENT THURROCK WEEKEND WITHOUT ANY INCIDENTS OR PROBLEMS.AS DID TONY ON THE TRAPS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT.GUIDELINES ARE THERE TO HELP BUT WE ARE ONLY HUMAN AND CANT EXPECT MIRACLES.WHEN TOM RUNS THE LURE AT THE CLUB HE KEEPS IT CLOSE FOR THE PUPS TO KEEP THEM INTERESTED AND GET GOOD HABITS.WITH RACING GOOD LONG PICK UP DISTANCE IS NEEDED SO THEY ARE NOT PULLING UP BEFORE LINE.GOOD TRAP AND LUREMEN INVALUABLE AND MUCH APPRECIATED ALONG WITH ALL HELPERS.

 

[rodders]

I've often wondered why on the scratch racing why the traps have to be placed so close together, surly if the were spaced a bit further apart any dogs that might comes out at an angle, (like they some times do) due to not trapping to good on the day, would have more room to correct them selves without interfering with the dog next to it, :blink: also it's easier for the people putting their dogs in the traps. Perhaps there's a good reason why they are placed close together, maybe some could enlighten me as to why this is please.???

 

Sorry Davidh for asking this on your post, but i think like a few others that trapping is just as important as the race it's self. :thumbsup: interesting subject. :thumbsup: di

good point give the dogs a bit space on coming out as sometime they can come out all shapes and not start straight :thumbsup:

another point the knock off should the lure be stopped min 25 yards over the line minimum a mark would stop any controversy.

what about folks waving items at the knock off may be ok for theres but off putting to other dogs causing them to ease over the line (w00t)

i think if these points are looked at it will be better racing :thumbsup:

I think its hard enough getting people to do jobs in the first place if we put too many stipulations on how they are to be done we may end up with less helpers !!!!!!

This Karen thinks her mate Karen is spot on :thumbsup:

 

[rodders]

I've often wondered why on the scratch racing why the traps have to be placed so close together, surly if the were spaced a bit further apart any dogs that might comes out at an angle, (like they some times do) due to not trapping to good on the day, would have more room to correct them selves without interfering with the dog next to it, :blink: also it's easier for the people putting their dogs in the traps. Perhaps there's a good reason why they are placed close together, maybe some could enlighten me as to why this is please.???

 

Sorry Davidh for asking this on your post, but i think like a few others that trapping is just as important as the race it's self. :thumbsup: interesting subject. :thumbsup: di

good point give the dogs a bit space on coming out as sometime they can come out all shapes and not start straight :thumbsup:

another point the knock off should the lure be stopped min 25 yards over the line minimum a mark would stop any controversy.

what about folks waving items at the knock off may be ok for theres but off putting to other dogs causing them to ease over the line (w00t)

i think if these points are looked at it will be better racing :thumbsup:

I think its hard enough getting people to do jobs in the first place if we put too many stipulations on how they are to be done we may end up with less helpers !!!!!!

This Karen thinks her mate Karen is spot on :thumbsup:

 

[whippit1]

thank tou rob and i might add wasnt racing any dogs anyway going to derby wimbledon sat had a bet on toomeline jack trap 5 3rd qual race wks ago at 6 to 1 is now shit hot fav picking up bageera pup 2day call it bag of gems ] ruby kennel name bless her tom

 

[Fleesh]

Depends on reaction times of trapman too :-

 

[DavidH]

[trapmen and lure drivers im sure do their best with the situation as it is you cant run this to a rule or regulation if your not happy with the way its being done have a go yourself im sure they wont mind they can take iteasy and watch racing for a change or even get achance to look after their own dogs

nowt said of making regulations,just uniformity in the distance so dogs can refine there traping if the lids went up when the lure was at a reasonable distance. :thumbsup:

what rattled my cage, at an open our bentley i was told went and both his front legs came through the bars if the traps had gone up he would of been badly injured. the person said it was to long a lure as other dogs missed the lids.

i was only thinking of all our dogs welfares.

 

[hellbound]

thank tou rob and i might add wasnt racing any dogs anyway going to derby wimbledon sat had a bet on toomeline jack trap 5 3rd qual race wks ago at 6 to 1 is now shit hot fav picking up bageera pup 2day call it bag of gems ] ruby kennel name bless her tom

good luck with your new pup Tom sure it will be another champion for you :thumbsup:

 

[whippit1]

hope so noisy little bugger thow we must be mad but i do love pups their so funny at times make me bust hope to get on the ciricuit again soon all the best tommy

 

[wild whippies]

What rattled my cage, at an open our bentley i was told went and both his front legs came through the bars if the traps had gone up he would of been badly injured. the person said it was to long a lure as other dogs missed the lids.
i was only thinking of all our dogs welfares.

I would of thought the bigger issue is a dog being able to get their legs through the bars. In fairness it doesn't matter where the lure is when the door opens if your dogs legs are through the bars. ALL dogs could make a mistake and miss the lids and they often do which is why owners do all kinds with kickboards, frontboards and deterring their dog from messing about in the boxes.

The problem with having a set mark where the doors are opened is that it sways a decent trapman's judgement. Instead of knowing when to pull they'll be hesitating and making mistakes. Just like lure driving, they're either good at it or not.

It's nice to see there is rules about the width between traps but I do find it odd that for the handicap the distance is between 8 - 12 inches yet for scratch racing it's no more than 8 inches. I'd of thought where all dogs are coming out level, a greater width would be indicated?

As for arm waving, well I don't understand the logic in it until after the dogs have passed the winning line! Sure all dogs should be focused on the lure but just like litter can be a distraction so can an arm waving down in front of you. I've seen some characters striking their arms down in front of dogs racing and I know it isn't because they're cheering them on!

 

[daznsar]

Why not put the lure down 7-8 yrds infront of traps as soon as it moves open traps ) just a thought :thumbsup: (for scratch racing)

 

[DavidH]

What rattled my cage, at an open our bentley i was told went and both his front legs came through the bars if the traps had gone up he would of been badly injured. the person said it was to long a lure as other dogs missed the lids.
i was only thinking of all our dogs welfares.

I would of thought the bigger issue is a dog being able to get their legs through the bars. In fairness it doesn't matter where the lure is when the door opens if your dogs legs are through the bars. ALL dogs could make a mistake and miss the lids and they often do which is why owners do all kinds with kickboards, frontboards and deterring their dog from messing about in the boxes.

The problem with having a set mark where the doors are opened is that it sways a decent trapman's judgement. Instead of knowing when to pull they'll be hesitating and making mistakes. Just like lure driving, they're either good at it or not.

It's nice to see there is rules about the width between traps but I do find it odd that for the handicap the distance is between 8 - 12 inches yet for scratch racing it's no more than 8 inches. I'd of thought where all dogs are coming out level, a greater width would be indicated?

As for arm waving, well I don't understand the logic in it until after the dogs have passed the winning line! Sure all dogs should be focused on the lure but just like litter can be a distraction so can an arm waving down in front of you. I've seen some characters striking their arms down in front of dogs racing and I know it isn't because they're cheering them on!

SECOND PARAGRAPH,yes the trap do great jobs, but sometimes the lure is to long.not asking for inches but somewhere around 10 yards so that the dogs can get some idea and fly out instead of going backwards and fowards in the traps as you see them do.not a bad idea lure 7 yards or so as soon as its away let them go think dogs would have to get used to it though as usually travels before they let go :thumbsup:

 

[sherry]

some dogs put their feet thru b4 the lure has even moved when owners r walkng up the track ive seen it many times it has nowt to do with how far in front the lure is. all i can suggest 4 if u have a dog like that put some kind of flapper on the front :wacko: personally i dont like the rag too close to the dogs. but im just glad that we have people who do the lure, traps, judging etc. :thumbsup:

 

[jade scott]

Was teaching yr 10 science thursday reading this and about to reply (yes i know dead good at my job) when a fight broke out in the corridor outside my room between two large girls who both have a striking resemblance to princess fiona so have only just got the chance to make my comment.

Dave i understand what you are saying but realistically the person on the traps is not going to intentionally leave the lure too long just to hinder the dogs or cause possible injuries. All of the helpers at opens etc endeavour to do the best job they can and would definately not intentionally cause harm to any dogs. I appreciate you are trying to get continuity throughout but with different traps, workers etc at every club its never going to happen and we just need to be grateful that people are willing to stand out and do these jobs so everybody can race their dogs. 9/10 its people who have nothing to run or have a partner in crime on the traps / lure all day so you at least get a vague consistancy for the entire open! :thumbsup:

PS every dog has a bum trap now and then!