New Bwra Ruling

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think your right fleesh

 

[Paws123]

If thats the case then after a quick look at 2008 litters breed i can see

4 litters that will not be able to register

SUGAR DADDY x MISS TORI

STORM WARRIOR X MANDYS DREAM

TYEBOUND X SUGAR SWEET

MAGICAL DREAMS X GHD

 

[rodders]

Marie has explained quite clearly in her proposal what she meant.That cannot be changed Alison as not altered the proposals,so therefore half crosses can be bred to half crosses.Either that or i'm losing it :wacko: a very confused BWRA member

 

[gary farmer]

SO ARE YOU SAYING IVE ALTERD THE LETTER FROM YHE BWRA THEN KAREN

AND GARY HAS MAID UP THE PHONE CALL

GARY

 

[Fleesh]

If thats the case then after a quick look at 2008 litters breed i can see 4 litters that will not be able to register

SUGAR DADDY x MISS TORI

STORM WARRIOR X MANDYS DREAM

TYEBOUND X SUGAR SWEET

MAGICAL DREAMS X GHD

I cannot see these litters not being able to be registered Dee, even in our own legal system, unless stated otherwise an Act cannot be applied retrospectively (i.e refusal to register cannot be applied to matings which took place before the provision was put into place). It goes against the constitutional doctrine of the rule of law. :thumbsup:

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

so u can put a 1/2 cross to a 1/2 cross ????????

but u cant put a 1/2 cross to a full greyhound,,,,hence the 2 genertion gap ????????

iam i right or iam i confused too :b

( what about if its whippet like in apperance rule,,or is that chucked out the window,,or was that just for club rules ?????

 

[Fleesh]

SO ARE YOU SAYING IVE ALTERD THE LETTER FROM YHE BWRA THEN KAREN AND GARY HAS MAID UP THE PHONE CALL

GARY

I'm sure Karen is saying no such thing Gary, she means she is confused as to how Marie's proposal can be interpreted to give the meaning that the BWRA appear to have construed upon it.

Please calm down, I know it's difficult given your circumstances re: the rulings but it won't help to get upset at fellow members who are just as confused as you are.

 

[rodders]

SO ARE YOU SAYING IVE ALTERD THE LETTER FROM YHE BWRA THEN KAREN AND GARY HAS MAID UP THE PHONE CALL

GARY

Read the post again Gary

 

[gary farmer]

SORRY KAREN FOR THAT .IVE NOT GOT IT WRONG IVE BEEN IN A BAD MOOD ALL DAY SINCE I GOT THE LETTER

THIS IS ONE IM NOT TRYING TO SORT OUT ON MY OWN

TO BE HONEST IM EVEN THINKING OF CALLING IT A DAY

SURE THERE BE A FEW PEOPLE HAPPY TO SEE THAT

MIGHT FEEL BETTER TOMORROW

GARY

 

[alfie p]

SO 90% of the dogs cane not be mated then is that right

 

[Paws123]

so u can put a 1/2 cross to a 1/2 cross ????????

no not according to the letter Gary has received

2. Mai Zee Mu, also a whippet greyhound - can this be put to the offspring of Tinkerman greyhound?

 

[navara]

I for one was not too happy with the rule, you cant cross too a greyhound as and when you want,

BUT now the bwra are saying you cant breed a whippet cross with a whippet cross, WHAT RUBBISH IS THAT,,

how long do you think the sport would last with that rule in place,

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

B.W.R.A NON,PED RACING

10YEARS LATER--------B.W.R.A,K.C NON PED RACING

 

[tony warren]

Gary ive got 2 litters coming over from ireland this month ready to race out of aussie litters bret lee and crash there shares going if you want to have a go i know you have had enough of the whippets just of late come back to your old mate

 

[gary farmer]

B.W.R.A NON,PED RACING

10YEARS LATER--------B.W.R.A,K.C NON PED RACING

IF SOME PEOPLE GET THERE WAY YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION TO USE A STUD DOG

THEY WILL PICK IT FOR YOU

GARY

 

[fallenangel]

well if what they are now saying does stand everyone with non registerd pups better get checking on the whippet data basce to check there ok as our laceys pups have only just maid it. i bet lots of pups wont be abell to be registerd fingers crossed its just a mixs up

 

[gary farmer]

My letter from the bwra states that this was disscussed at great lenths at the agm .So no there is no mistake ,

The only way this will be overturned is if they receive more letters of complaint

cos no one is listerning to me

GARY

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

B.W.R.A NON,PED RACING

10YEARS LATER--------B.W.R.A,K.C NON PED RACING

IF SOME PEOPLE GET THERE WAY YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION TO USE A STUD DOG

THEY WILL PICK IT FOR YOU

GARY

well if what they are now saying does stand everyone with non registerd pups better get checking on the whippet data basce to check there ok as our laceys pups have only just maid it. i bet lots of pups wont be abell to be registerd fingers crossed its just a mixs up

what worries me now with this new ruling on breeding,,,,in years to come cause iam from scotland ,,and buying in from england ,,iam i going to to know what iam getting??????,,,,cause pll,s now will just lie when it comes to regarting litters to get the one they want,,,,there,s no way b.w.r.a commitiee are going to be there at every lining pmsl

so in future database wont mean sh'#@t

i cant belive this has went threw,,,,,a body telling pll,s how to line there ( long dogs ,i.e lurcher,s ),,,

i understand where pll,s are coming from as more are like greyhounds,,,,,,but thats up to the handycapper on each track to deem that ,,,weather they run or not,,,afterall thats his job,

but lets be honest,,,,the big dog,s aint doing any harm,,,,there just running there race,,,,,

 

[gary farmer]

B.W.R.A NON,PED RACING

10YEARS LATER--------B.W.R.A,K.C NON PED RACING

IF SOME PEOPLE GET THERE WAY YOU WILL HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION TO USE A STUD DOG

THEY WILL PICK IT FOR YOU

GARY

well if what they are now saying does stand everyone with non registerd pups better get checking on the whippet data basce to check there ok as our laceys pups have only just maid it. i bet lots of pups wont be abell to be registerd fingers crossed its just a mixs up

what worries me now with this new ruling on breeding,,,,in years to come cause iam from scotland ,,and buying in from england ,,iam i going to to know what iam getting??????,,,,cause pll,s now will just lie when it comes to regarting litters to get the one they want,,,,there,s no way b.w.r.a commitiee are going to be there at every lining pmsl

so in future database wont mean sh'#@t

i cant belive this has went threw,,,,,a body telling pll,s how to line there ( long dogs ,i.e lurcher,s ),,,

i understand where pll,s are coming from as more are like greyhounds,,,,,,but thats up to the handycapper on each track to deem that ,,,weather they run or not,,,afterall thats his job,

but lets be honest,,,,the big dog,s aint doing any harm,,,,there just running there race,,,,,

CANT SEE THIS IS JUST ABOUT SRATCH DOGS AS YOU CAN STILL PUT A SRATCH DOG TO A GREYHOUND AS LONG AS IT ISNT A HALF GREYHOUND

MY OWN DOG STAG POSSESSED BIGLAND BOY SUGAR FIRE AND MANY MORE THAT ARE EVEN BIGGER

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHUCKED OUT AS UNWORKABLE BY THE REPS BUT CERTAIN PEOPLE WERE DETERMIND TO PUSH IT THOUGH

WHERE ARE THEY NOW THERE HIDING BEHIND THERE LAP TOPS THINKING WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY HAVE DONE

GARY

GARY

 

[Tony Taylor]

A previous post of mine which I based aproposal I put forward to the AGM. The proposal wasn't accepted to be put forward for a vote in the main due to it's complexity. There are similarities between my proposal and other proposals that were adopted and it would appear current BWRA policy.

quoted post;

" There are lots of reasons for not allowing ghds to run in the No Limit most of which don't hold water. However denise has pointed out a very good reason not to allow ghds to run, that is the racing of ghd comes under DEFRA and government legislation whereas whippet racing doesn't seem to at present.

Excluding ghds for this reason is sensible to protect the organisations from the legal and finacial implications of government legislation.

This unfortunatley means that No Limit racing also comes under scrutiny because I don't see how racing 60lb dogs, especially on ghd tracks ccould be defended as whippet racing if legal action was to be brought by DEFRA against any of the racing bodies. Only a small minority of whippet racers would consider some of the larger dogs in the No Limit as whippets I feel expert opinion would also rule these dogs as being ghds.

In view of the above then perhaps action does need to be taken to prevent what would reasonably be considered as ghd types running at whippet race meetings and as such new rules need to be drafted. However I feel it's important that racers already running are allowed to continue to race currently registed dogs.

As a template for debate I would suggest;

1) current registrants be allowed to run as before

2) Any dog over 56lb registered after 1st Jan 2009 will not be allowed to race.

3) Any dog over 40lb registered after 1st January 2009 with the ghd appearing more than once in a three generation pedigree not be allowed to race. Proof of pedigree to be provided via DNA testing at the owners expense if required

4) No ghds of any weight. Proof of parentage to be provided at the owners expense if required.

5) No parent unknown dogs allowed to run over 40lb

6) Dogs over 56lb to be excluded from the supreme scratch

7) From 2013 reduce the weight limits in points (2) and (6) to 48lb

The above rules would offer a reasonable amount of defence for whippet racing organisations against a charge of ghd racing contravening government legislation "

end of quoted post

In my proposal I did mention not allowing Ghd in a 3 generation pedigree appearing more than once but only for the No Limit class. This was to prevent breeding No limit half crosses to other No limit half crosses which could produce geneticaly near identical ghd types. I was aware at the time of the possible anomalies of handicap weight half crosses and quaster crosses being affected by any exclusion of ghds in a three generation pedigree and I agree such a rule is both unfair and to the detriment of the non ped type.