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[weathergirls]

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as agreed with the rest of the NNWRF COMMITTEE there will be NO discussion about drug testing procedures within this topic or on this site any NNWRF member who has any questions or queries can approach any NNWRF committee at any time where one of us will answer your questions

Full details about the recent samples taken was given to the NNWRF members present after the racing

The NNWRF has its own forum for information and updates

Just one thing I will say is a sample has to be a minimum of 10ml to be sent for testing

THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN RAISED AND I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO STARTED IT

 

[rob67]

as agreed with the rest of the NNWRF COMMITTEE there will be NO discussion about drug testing procedures within this topic or on this site any NNWRF member who has any questions or queries can approach any NNWRF committee at any time where one of us will answer your questions

Full details about the recent samples taken was given to the NNWRF members present after the racing

The NNWRF has its own forum for information and updates

Just one thing I will say is a sample has to be a minimum of 10ml to be sent for testing

THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN RAISED AND I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO STARTED IT

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It's easy to say "LOOK AT WHO STARTED IT" linda, and I'm sure that will be the cry from now on when anything is brought up on K9 about the fed, especially if geoff is involved. Doesnt mean it is a worthless discussion tho, or that people other than geoff aren't concerned.

It's admirable of the committee to sit back and say nothing on K9, think it's a good move. The discussion can still go on though, there is nothing wrong in seeking clarification, it's clear that it has to be in person and thats fine.

I'm sure that there are better ways of using drug testing in whippet racing, and the fact that the fed have had difficulties only serves to highlight that, if they and the BWRA hadnt put it into place, then no-one would have had experiences, good or bad.

chris

 

[weathergirls]

as agreed with the rest of the NNWRF COMMITTEE there will be NO discussion about drug testing procedures within this topic or on this site any NNWRF member who has any questions or queries can approach any NNWRF committee at any time where one of us will answer your questions

Full details about the recent samples taken was given to the NNWRF members present after the racing

The NNWRF has its own forum for information and updates

Just one thing I will say is a sample has to be a minimum of 10ml to be sent for testing

THERE IS ONLY ONE REASON THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN RAISED AND I BELIEVE MOST OF YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO STARTED IT

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It's easy to say "LOOK AT WHO STARTED IT" linda, and I'm sure that will be the cry from now on when anything is brought up on K9 about the fed, especially if geoff is involved. Doesnt mean it is a worthless discussion tho, or that people other than geoff aren't concerned.

It's admirable of the committee to sit back and say nothing on K9, think it's a good move. The discussion can still go on though, there is nothing wrong in seeking clarification, it's clear that it has to be in person and thats fine.

I'm sure that there are better ways of using drug testing in whippet racing, and the fact that the fed have had difficulties only serves to highlight that, if they and the BWRA hadnt put it into place, then no-one would have had experiences, good or bad.

chris

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CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO SUFFER A BAD EXPERIENCE IN DRUG TESTING FOR THE WANT OF CAUTION

 

[milly]

The best way to do drug testing is give the vet the dates and venues, and let the vet decide where and when it will take place. Then this will ensure that nobody but the vet knows when it will take place. :thumbsup: just my opinion.

Geoff

 

[Tony Taylor]

I'm not at all happy at the direction this topic set out on. However since the topic has been edited, and given the OP it's hardly suprising it was needed, and given there are issues that are worth discussing I agree it should stay open.

However the original question regarding the NNWRF tests at Highgate should be considered answered in full and any further attempts to cause trouble will be moderated.

 

[gabbitas31]

I for one don't think it should be closed, because i have learnt a lot today. This discussion has taken me to web sites that i wouldn't normally look at. and it's always good to learn other peoples opinions on some subjects. :thumbsup: Diane.

 

[milly]

In my post which was removed, I mentioned the word incompetence.

I would just like to make it clear that in no way was I referring to the NNWRF.In actual fact I was referring to the veterinary nurse for not wearing gloves, as this could lead to cross contamination.

Just wanted to make this point clear

Geoff

 

[wild whippies]

While I appreciate the obtaining of urine samples may have a bigger approval if done track side, I personally think it would be better practice to have 3 persons present, them being, the dog owner, a member of the racing organisation (to confirm the identity of the dog) and the veterinary nurse. By doing this away from the track, the dog is less vulnerable to distractions (e.g. racing) and if anyone has dogs like mine, they'll hold their bladders till they find grass / hedgerows /trees etc. :- "

I think it would be useful for owners and organisers if a protocol was drawn up and maybe some advice given to racers on what responsibilities they should have. E.g. checking bar code correlation, what is worth documenting in the comments section of the form etc. This is not so much to keep check on the individuals involved in obtaining urine samples but more to ensure that everyone is in agreement and bear responsibility jointly.

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

i thought the drug testing was ok at kirkaldy nnwrf open,,,,zac was drug tested,,, and wonldnt give a sample went to nearly every tree,,,lol,,,,,,,but aventally he did after a good 45mins,,,and had to watch it getting sealed and and signed

i thought it was ok,,as at any point the commitee might have lost patience,s in zac ,,but didnt,,, and the lady from the vet,s was with me at all time,s,,so i thought they did a good job on that open :thumbsup:

 

[milly]

While I appreciate the obtaining of urine samples may have a bigger approval if done track side, I personally think it would be better practice to have 3 persons present, them being, the dog owner, a member of the racing organisation (to confirm the identity of the dog) and the veterinary nurse. By doing this away from the track, the dog is less vulnerable to distractions (e.g. racing) and if anyone has dogs like mine, they'll hold their bladders till they find grass /  hedgerows /trees etc. :- "
I think it would be useful for owners and organisers if a protocol was drawn up and maybe some advice given to racers on what responsibilities they should have. E.g. checking bar code correlation, what is worth documenting in the comments section of the form etc. This is not so much to keep check on the individuals involved in obtaining urine samples but more to ensure that everyone is in agreement and bear responsibility jointly.

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Totally agree Jacs :thumbsup:

When I had my 2 drug tests done I was allowed to get the samples myself, and was not given gloves to wear by the nurse, I'm referring to 2006 pennysworth and 2007 sugar daddy at Swallownest (w00t)

Geoff

 

[Vicky]

Do the NGRC have the same vets all the time taking the samples?

I think the veterinary nurse should know before coming to the track what is expected of them and the guidelines the HFL give for obtaining samples, just the same as us racers need to know what's expected of us. Once you've had your dog tested you know how to go about it but i know when Jude was first tested i didn't have a clue what to do or expect. As Jacqui posted it wouldn't be a bad move if drug testing is to continue with the NNWRF & start again with the BWRA for racers to know of the guidelines before their dogs get pulled out, i feel this would also speed up the process.

 

[wild whippies]

TBH, while I agree cross-infection control should be maintained, it should be noted that when it comes to urine and biochemistry you can't really compromise a test through contamination. What the body takes in is processed and changed, for example if you had cocaine on your hands and contaminated the urine sample, HFL would know it was contaminated and not injested because biochemically the substance changes as it is processed by the body and furthermore there would be the reactive biochemistry present within the urine (in this case cocaine metabolites) it should also be noted that reactive changes are individual to the body as well.

So while it is a concern if you've either knowingly or unknowingly contaminated your hands with a substance, HFL would be able to determine if the substance passed through your dog or not.

Personally, I would of allowed the test through but put in the comments section there was suspect contamination and who or what this contamination was.

 

[raymac]

As far as i am aware when i worked with the greyhounds

if any dogs where tested

they was picked out by an employee

of the NGRC who's job it was to travel around the differant NGRC tracks

taking samples

hope this helps

ray

 

[mutley]

While I appreciate the obtaining of urine samples may have a bigger approval if done track side, I personally think it would be better practice to have 3 persons present, them being, the dog owner, a member of the racing organisation (to confirm the identity of the dog) and the veterinary nurse. By doing this away from the track, the dog is less vulnerable to distractions (e.g. racing) and if anyone has dogs like mine, they'll hold their bladders till they find grass /  hedgerows /trees etc. :- "
I think it would be useful for owners and organisers if a protocol was drawn up and maybe some advice given to racers on what responsibilities they should have. E.g. checking bar code correlation, what is worth documenting in the comments section of the form etc. This is not so much to keep check on the individuals involved in obtaining urine samples but more to ensure that everyone is in agreement and bear responsibility jointly.

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Totally agree Jacs :thumbsup:

When I had my 2 drug tests done I was allowed to get the samples myself, and was not given gloves to wear by the nurse, I'm referring to 2006 pennysworth and 2007 sugar daddy at Swallownest (w00t)

Geoff

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so are you not on camera putting on the gloves supplied bye the nnwrf

 

[rob67]

Just a query about the effectiveness of drug testing in whippet racing............how many drug tests have been carried out, how many came back positive, negative, not able to be tested etc within the boundaries that are now set up, with tolerance levels set, rather than zero tolerance.

Have tried to find threads back on here that might shed some light on numbers etc, but it's difficult to seperate it out. I'm just curious about the effectiveness of it in stopping people using drugs on their dogs, as I'm sure it still happens, and unless the testing is random, initiated and controlled by the vet perhaps, maybe it has no chance of being effective in eradicating those who use stuff. And is therfore a waste of time, effort and money.

chris

 

[rodders]

Because I haven't had a dog tested can someone who has,run through the actual testing proceedure please?

 

[marielou]

As far as I have found out Chris there has not been a single dog that has failed a drug test since the NNWRF started doing them and as you say it does beg the questions

1) Is there a drug problem that warrents drug testing as no one appears to have supplied a positive sample?

2) If there is a drug problem, given that there has been no positive results how effective is the drug testing?

As I have said before this is a hobby and in my opinion the only thing drug testing does do is cause bad feeling so why have it?

 

[thesonofpork]

As far as I have found out Chris there has not been a single dog that has failed a drug test since the NNWRF started doing them and as you say it does beg the questions1) Is there a drug problem that warrents drug testing as no one appears to have supplied a positive sample?

2) If there is a drug problem, given that there has been no positive results how effective is the drug testing?

As I have said before this is a hobby and in my opinion the only thing drug testing does do is cause bad feeling so why have it?

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the answer to the bottom question is because some people cheat and drug there dogs!!

 

[weathergirls]

Right I am going to answer these comments as they have come up so this could some time so please bear with me

 

[weathergirls]

While I appreciate the obtaining of urine samples may have a bigger approval if done track side, I personally think it would be better practice to have 3 persons present, them being, the dog owner, a member of the racing organisation (to confirm the identity of the dog) and the veterinary nurse. By doing this away from the track, the dog is less vulnerable to distractions (e.g. racing) and if anyone has dogs like mine, they'll hold their bladders till they find grass /  hedgerows /trees etc. :- "
I think it would be useful for owners and organisers if a protocol was drawn up and maybe some advice given to racers on what responsibilities they should have. E.g. checking bar code correlation, what is worth documenting in the comments section of the form etc. This is not so much to keep check on the individuals involved in obtaining urine samples but more to ensure that everyone is in agreement and bear responsibility jointly.

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Totally agree Jacs :thumbsup:

When I had my 2 drug tests done I was allowed to get the samples myself, and was not given gloves to wear by the nurse, I'm referring to 2006 pennysworth and 2007 sugar daddy at Swallownest (w00t)

Geoff

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you were given plastic gloves to wear and you wore them all owners are allowed to collect the sample from their dog under the eye of the attending vet nurse