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[wilfred]

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Jok, i only said about writting as it leaves a paper trail and it has to be answered within a certain time limit...(that what we do in our force)
But you are right, ringing and make a complant about an officer will be handled quicker.... 

Maybe the solution is to phone first and confirm it with a letter anyway. That's what I usually do with anything important. Phone conversations can get "lost" (I'm not suggesting anything here, but people are so busy that you can't always remember who said what to whom, and when); get the name of the person you report it to, also?

Good luck Nina.

 

[Janimal]

I would definitely report it too - that is absolutely dreadful. :rant:

I have known quite a lot of dog handlers in the police force - and none have ever treat their dogs like this. They should love and respect them

If they care about the dogs in this particular section THEY WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY pHONE NOW. Very Good Luck :luck: :luck:

 

[lalena]

that is truly sickening :rant: dont let them get away with this, because that sort of treatment is never a one-off

 

[clairej810]

For the sake of the dog, you need to report the evil little s**t. He should be castrated without anaesthetic!! :rant:

I would phone, follow up in writing saying you want a reply within say 14 days and if all else fails go to the press!! :rant: :rant:

Good luck, lte us know how you get on... :luck: :thumbsup: and well done for saying something to him! :huggles:

 

[imperative]

How awful! Yes do make a complaint! Shame you didnt see his collar number! :rant:

 

[Strike Whippets]

That sounds awful ........but I'm going to throw a spanner in the works now ........Where I work we board prision and police dogs ......From experienced sniffer, riot controlled dogs through to the rescued recruits .............Now I see NO need to beat any animal, BUT I do remember years ago seeing a GSD who was definatly going to be PTS IF the police didn't have him .......he bit, defied and dominated everyone and everything he met ..........Because of his excessive out of control manners he ended up horse whipped by his new trainer .........I was gobsmacked and horror struck ......YET it was explained to me .......1 bad day in this dogs life SAVED his life .........Rocky made the grade, became a great "controllable" police dog and is soon to retire and live with his handler and family ..........He was a raw recruit who had no idea of boundries, bite control or manners ......and yes if the 1 person in that rescue center hadn't spotted his potential then yes he would have been PTS years ago .........Everydogs different ......but you may just find out that this dog is on death row due to "pet owners" ...........lets hope thats the case and the knowledge of a proper police handler is trying to "SAVE" him (bearing in mind how long it takes in the force befor you are allowed into the dog section, so its classed as a privilage) .........If wrong ........that poor, poor dog

 

[Mike from Hereford]

Sorry to read this, (just applied to join the West Mercia)

you have to complain/report, its disgusting,

hope the cretin gets his just rewards,

Mike

 

[JAX]

No two ways about it Nina , youve got to report this guy :rant: The fact that he thought it `funny ` and was rude to you makes the situation worse for me , hes showing you the contempt that hes showing his poor dog :rant: .

The dog units arnt that big , so tracing the Bas :rant: d should be easy enough . He deserve s to go back on the beat , pref in another country :rant: Send him to Nottingham, ST Anns district on his own (w00t) That would sort the s :rant: d out

A friend of mine was desparate to be a dog handler years ago , and got` pipped ` by a woman . who lasted about 6 months :angry: . He loves all dogs and would be horified , as we all are to hear such a story :angry:

 

[wilfred]

lets hope thats the case and the knowledge of a proper police handler is trying to "SAVE" him

Appreciate the sentiment behind your comments Strike Whippets (altho I don't agree with what happened to the dog you know of being whipped), but that pre-supposes that this poor dog which Nina witnessed being ill-treated, is actually in the hands of a "proper knowledgeable police officer". Which seems highly unlikely.

If you terrify a dog, hang it, choke it and beat it, that's not dog-training, that's dog-bullying. Either you will break its spirit and render it useless as a reliable police dog, or you may very likely push it to the point where it retaliates, again rendering it useless as a reliable police dog.

 

[nina]

Well, bit of an update for you.

Went over the golf course in 3 seperate walks today & on the last walk hey ho who did i see "the dog section car".

No one in sight so i hung around & awaited, finally they came back, unfortunately it wasn't "matey" BUT a chap i have seen before with a lady officer that i hadn't seen before.

Anyway i took the bull by the horns & approached them, i explained what i had seen & at first the lady officer was quote defensive saying that i had probably been mistaken in what i had seen & that training regimes often looked tougher than they actually were handling wise.

But i noticed the guy kept real quiet. He finally asked me for a description of the officer & i saw looks exchanged between the 2.

I said if it wasn't going to be taken seriously i felt my only other option was to make an official complaint & also asked was i not within my rights to have asked for his number?

At this point the lady became quite "aggresive" BUT the guy talked over her & asked me for exact time & location as to where i'd seen it.

She walked back to the car, BUT he spoke to me & assured he would look into it, he was still a bit defensive & said sometimes people "mistake" what they have seen BUT i stuck to my ground & said i had seen the dog lifted with all 4 feet off the floor & choked.

Anyway he has said he will find out all he can & that if this is the case he will be having words (i know from his reaction he knows exactly who this person is) i hope to see him one morning in the week for an update.

 

[lalena]

lets hope they dont 'close ranks' :angry:

 

[wilfred]

I wonder why they feel they have to be defensive in the way they "explain" what has happened?

I work in a public service - a primary school - and if someone comes into school saying they are unhappy about a situation, we don't try to talk people out of what they're trying to tell us; we note their comments, listen to their side, put our observations forward and follow up, on whatever it is they have raised with us. (Except that obviously we don't go in for stringing up children or animals or beating them, but you get my drift).

There are often 2 sides to a story, but to brusquely tell you in so many words that you've imagined it ... well, I'm just glad you persisted. Well done Nina.

 

[Strike Whippets]

lets hope thats the case and the knowledge of a proper police handler is trying to "SAVE" him

Appreciate the sentiment behind your comments Strike Whippets (altho I don't agree with what happened to the dog you know of being whipped), but that pre-supposes that this poor dog which Nina witnessed being ill-treated, is actually in the hands of a "proper knowledgeable police officer". Which seems highly unlikely.

If you terrify a dog, hang it, choke it and beat it, that's not dog-training, that's dog-bullying. Either you will break its spirit and render it useless as a reliable police dog, or you may very likely push it to the point where it retaliates, again rendering it useless as a reliable police dog.

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I know what your saying ......I've worked with dogs all of my life .......but in extreme cases some dogs need to be "dominated" to show them that they are bellow us ........The majority of these dogs are spoilt by the pet dog owners who don't know dog psychology / pack orders etc ........As I said I don't think its right for dogs to be mistreated and bullied, but in extreme cases "IF" the handler really knows what hes doing, this WILL save a dog from a life of rescue kennels or death .........Most of the dogs offered to the police/security forces are our rejects that we have ruined......bad manners, biters, dominant issues etc......as they are either in rescue or offered up by the public, so really they are VERY much UNWANTED .......I was just trying to put a different point of view forward for what Nina saw .......As for the laughing about it .......We take the p**s and laugh at our pet owners/clients all of the time at work ......as we have soooo many do gooders who know NOTHING about real dog ownership its unreal (I'm not saying this applies to Nina as she seems VERY switched on to her dogs etc.....) but.....prehaps this police felt the same way ........

 

[nina]

There are often 2 sides to a story, but to brusquely tell you in so many words that you've imagined it ... well, I'm just glad you persisted.  Well done Nina.

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TBH, i have had dealings with the police before & in my opinion you aint ever gonna win.

I would rather take this route & try & be a little "pally" shall we say with them, cos once you go against them i've learnt from personally experince "forget it!"

They will stick together till the bitter end & a normal "joe bloggs" doesn't stand an earthly.

This guy today knew who i was talking about & i think as much as he wants to maybe stand by him, the idea of an official complaint being made may just make him have a few words.

What good it will do i dont know, but i have learnt from 2 really bad experiences "Do not mess with the police & expect to win," cos right or wrong you wont stand a chance.

They aren't just the law "They are above the law".

 

[wilfred]

Yes, I'm sure you're right, and I do know exactly what you are saying. I expect in every organisation staff will, to some degree, close ranks - but the wrong-doers should still be disciplined or weeded out.

I am a firm believer in being a bit "pally" because, as the saying goes, you catch more bees with jam than with vinegar. I think people should be courteous and polite whoever they talk to.

But I think it is a dangerous thing for any individual to truly believe that because they wear a uniform (whichever one it is), or belong to a profession, that means they can do exactly as they like "because the public won't understand our methods".

Arrogance can eventually lead to their downfall.

And these days, isn't everything supposed to be more "open" and honest?

 

[nina]

And these days, isn't everything supposed to be more "open" and honest?

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I agree totally BUT my only concern is this poor dog & if i can get a resolve from a more "pally" approach than by putting in an official complaint & being totally alienated like in the past i will try this route.

I know they are not all bad & most would not agree with handlings methods such as this BUT unfortunately take on one & you take on the force so i will remain friendly with this chap & try to win over the female partner & get on good terms as i feel i will get more action this way than just totally p*****g them off. :thumbsup:

 

[05whippet]

I think your way of "softly,softly catchee Monkey" is much better than going in "all guns blazin" and peeing them off.

As you say.I would be very surprised if these fellow officers did NOT know this colleague,especially as you said that there were exchanged knowing glances between them,so I think that the possibility that you MAY go to the authorities might just "worry"them enough to make them sit up and take notice!

But whatever way you do go about this,it cannot be allowed to slip by un-noticed and this man should not be in charge of a goldfish let alone a dog!! :rant:

 

[Janimal]

Good luck Nina - and well done for approaching them. Surely if they have any compassion and genuine love of the dogs in their section - they will surely look into this incident :luck: :luck:

 

[nina]

Good luck Nina - and well done for approaching them. Surely if they have any compassion and genuine love of the dogs in their section - they will surely look into this incident :luck: :luck:

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Well like you, i would hope so :thumbsup:

The guy today i spoke to seemed decent with his dogs & although defensive of a colleague, i think i got my point across in a nice BUT clear way that he will have some kind of words with the said person, if only to keep the peace & try & avoid an official complaint. :thumbsup:

 

[JAX]

I understand what you are saying Nina , but the fact that these 2 offices KNEW who you were on about means it probably wasnt an isolated incident (w00t) , dosnt it

So , although I know you want to go softly sofltly , and be Pally , this man need STOPPING !! :rant:

NOW !!!