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6 weeks old , 4 boy s and 8 testicles :p :sweating: ;)
 
There is a medical evidence that undescended testicle has a higher chance of becoming cancerous LATER ON IN LIFE. So it does not matter to leave it and see if it comes down naturally. Castrating a dog with both testicles descended is lot easier so even if you plan to have him done, i would wait until 2 or 3, but probably not much longer.

If he was my dog who only dropped his testicle in adulthood ,I would not like to see him to be then considered normal and used for breeding. I would therefore prefer if the dog was castrated before I placed him. But as Alba's dog is not going anywhere; I would definitely WAIT.

I think it is strange about the boy who was not treated earlier. Maybe nobody noticed??? (w00t) Sounds as some sort of stuff-up, if not outright negligence.

Lida

PS :cheers: to Lolcoe, glad they dropped!
 
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Alba said:
Alba said:
I wouldn't breed a monorchid or a dog whose testicles descended late, and would try to avoid dogs who proved to have a higher than average no. of pups with this problem or who had a number of siblings with the same problem
I saw someone on this thread described it as a luxury problem. Well, it isn't because the dog may need surgery, more complicated than normal neutering

although I wouldn't breed him, I would like to avoid that surgery with my pup.

the right testicle came down later than 3 months, now I can feel the left testicle but it is far from where it should be. How long should I wait before getting him altered?

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any replies to my question?

also are undescended testicles always risky for a dog (increased chance of injury - torsion, etc, increased risk of cancer), or are only the ones high up in the abdomen dangerous to leave in place?

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Hi!

Even if the testicle doesn't descend leave it alone. The risk of having problems with the undescended testicle is close to nothing. Over the years in Sweden there is only one dog reported to have had problems and since between 10-15% of the whippet dogs being born in Sweden end up with only one descended testicle.........

The veterinary who is the number one expert in this field in Sweden was contacted by our breed club concerning this matter and she said to leave it alone since there is no problem. The general dog books talk about this as a general problem though it differs from breed to breed. I think I have said it earlier on in this thread, if it was a pekingese dog puppy I would consider operating as the risk is higher in that breed compared to whippets.

Henrik Härling
 
playawhile said:
Hi!
Even if the testicle doesn't descend leave it alone. The risk of having problems with the undescended testicle is close to nothing. Over the years in Sweden there is only one dog reported to have had problems and since between 10-15% of the whippet dogs being born in Sweden end up with only one descended testicle.........

The veterinary who is the number one expert in this field in Sweden was contacted by our breed club concerning this matter and she said to leave it alone since there is no problem. The general dog books talk about this as a general problem though it differs from breed to breed. I think I have said it earlier on in this thread, if it was a pekingese dog puppy I would consider operating as the risk is higher in that breed compared to whippets.

Henrik Härling

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This long running research was done in Sweden and I assume , the data was collected only on Swedish Whippets. There is lot of questions I would like to ask:

1- Is it possible that there were more than one case of testicular cancer in Whippets, but these dogs did not participate in the study, or a dog may have died from other case before he was diagnosed???

2- Is the number of Whippets in this study statistically significant?

3- Considering that i would not wish to breed from a dog with an undescended testicle, I cannot see the reason why not castrate him. even if the possibility of cancer would be only 1:1000 or 1:10 000.

4- Considering that other breeds in this study had more incidents of cancer; what is so different about Whippet?

5- is it possible that the occurrence of testicular cancer in Whippets is different in other countries?

Now. to totally change the subject; how are those gorgeous peke pups, Henrik???

Lida
 
dessie said:
Pointless people being rough with puppies at ringcraft and trying to find testicles because they just draw them up even more!!!  Standing is not a good position to try and find errant testicles in either.  The best way to check them is to have the puppy sat, relaxed, on his back on your lap and they will hopefully drop into the scrotum automatically or you can ease them down. 
Every puppy is different and some you will have the testicles come down and stay down from when they are very young, others lose them almost completely and others will have one, t'other or both going up and down like yo-yos.    If you have a puppy that the testicles won't stay down on, keep repeating what I said above to encourage them down.  Another tip for ringcraft is to sit the puppy first, the testicles should drop into the scrotum and then hold them in place while you gently and slowly stand him up.  By doing that they should stay in place until some bloody idiot comes along and gets rough again.

Personally, I would request at ringcraft that they do not mess around with him trying to check if he is entire.  As long as he stands whilst they run their hands all over him that should be sufficient.

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I totally agree with the above.Thats shameful to keep bothering a young pup.He should be enjoying his trips to ringcraft,he should be fussed over and made to feel this is a fun place to be. Plenty of time for the strict stuff when he feels confident. Take his favourite toy and blanket with you,make him feel safe.
 
Seraphina said:
playawhile said:
Hi!

Even if the testicle doesn't descend leave it alone. The risk of having problems with the undescended testicle is close to nothing. Over the years in Sweden there is only one dog reported to have had problems and since between 10-15% of the whippet dogs being born in Sweden end up with only one descended testicle.........

The veterinary who is the number one expert in this field in Sweden was contacted by our breed club concerning this matter and she said to leave it alone since there is no problem. The general dog books talk about this as a general problem though it differs from breed to breed. I think I have said it earlier on in this thread, if it was a pekingese dog puppy I would consider operating as the risk is higher in that breed compared to whippets.

Henrik Härling

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This long running research was done in Sweden and I assume , the data was collected only on Swedish Whippets. There is lot of questions I would like to ask:

1- Is it possible that there were more than one case of testicular cancer in Whippets, but these dogs did not participate in the study, or a dog may have died from other case before he was diagnosed???

2- Is the number of Whippets in this study statistically significant?

3- Considering that i would not wish to breed from a dog with an undescended testicle, I cannot see the reason why not castrate him. even if the possibility of cancer would be only 1:1000 or 1:10 000.

4- Considering that other breeds in this study had more incidents of cancer; what is so different about Whippet?

5- is it possible that the occurrence of testicular cancer in Whippets is different in other countries?

Now. to totally change the subject; how are those gorgeous peke pups, Henrik???

Lida

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Hi again!

I will try to answer your questions.

1. Yes, there could be more than one but since the whippet world in this country is not that big we would have a good overview of the breed even if we did not have regular health surveys. Meaning if cancer in undescended testicles was fairly frequent we would know about it, especially since between 10-15% of the dogs born end up with only one. The percentage of chryptorchids has slowly decreased down towards 10%.

2. Yes the surveys are statistically significant as the replays have been extremely high.

3. In Sweden compared to many other countries we do not have a culture of neutering dogs: I know that it is common practice in some countries to neuter dogs who will only live as pets and this is also a very rare practice in Sweden, so for that reason I think that most people who has a dog with an undesecnded testicle leave it alone. I recommend owners of dogs bred by me with only one testicle down to leave it alone.

4. I can’t answer this as I suppose you must be a veterinary in to research to work that out…….

5. I don’t find that very likely as I think that Sweden probably has the most international input of bloodlines in the world. The past 20 years breeders and other people in the breed has imported large numbers of whippets from all over the world. So what I mean is that here in Sweden we don’t have a “isolated” whippet population that is different from elsewhere but more a reflection of what has been successful in other countries, mainly the UK and the US.

Henrik Härling

ps. the peke puppies are doing wonderfully and enjoy being outside in the nice summer weather we have right now!! :))
 
Thanks for that info Henrik. I, personally, found it very interesting as we are always being made to feel guilty by Vets who just want to neuter anything that moves and if there is an even better reason (like an undescended testicle) that MAY cause cancer they are even worse, especially with pet owners. I have always been of the opinion that it is money spinning and now I am convinced!!!
 
As far as routinely de-sexing dogs goes I do agree 100% with Dessie. I also hate the way people are bullied into castrating and spaying their dogs.

However, undescended testicles are different story and NOT straight forward at all. It is a long held opinion of the medical profession that testicles should not remain inside a body. Of-course, medical opinions change and I do believe in keeping my mind open to new research. But nothing is black and white and if in doubt I rather err on side of caution.

Henrik, just two more question; when you say 10% of Whippets in Sweden have only one testicle descended – does this mean it was definitely established that the other one is in the abdomen? When is this 10% counted – if the testicle did not come down by the age of 3 months, 1 year, or 2 ?

:) Lida
 
Seraphina said:
As far as routinely de-sexing dogs goes I do agree 100% with Dessie.  I also hate the way people are bullied into castrating and spaying their dogs.  However, undescended testicles are different story and NOT straight forward at all.  It is a long held opinion of the medical profession that testicles should not remain inside a body.  Of-course, medical opinions change and I do believe in keeping my mind open to new research.  But nothing is black and white and if in doubt I rather err on side of caution.

Henrik, just two more question; when you say 10% of Whippets in Sweden have only one testicle descended – does this mean it was definitely established that the other one is in the abdomen?  When is this 10% counted – if the testicle did not come down by the age of 3 months, 1 year, or 2 ? 

:) Lida

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My whippet pup has only one to be found even though he has had two when he was younger he is 5 month`s should I worry? Bye boyce
 
boyce said:
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My whippet pup has only one to be found even though he has had two when he was younger he is 5 month`s should I worry?  Bye boyce

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Go to the beginning of this thread (about page 3), there we discussed how to bring an errant testicle down. If he is only a pet, there is no need to worry, but he needs 2 testicles to show him.

Lida

Cash :wub: certainly is black&white, but is he a thing :( ???
 
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was Beau aware you were taking his photo?

I was wondering whether a high %age of cryptochids is unique to whippets. I heard that it is not a problem with racing greyhounds, so I don't think there is anything about sighthound physique which predisposes breeds to this problem. Also I think the problem has become more common in whippets in the past 10-20 years. Is that true? Is it linked to certain popular genetic lines? I don't know whether there could be an environmental factor; I have read that undescended testicles is becoming more common in boy children, along with other "feminine" type traits that are related to environmental pollution and hormonal levels in the womb (I think the culprit is xenoestrogens in plastics and pesticides?)
 
I started off in gundogs many years ago and the problem was the same then as it is now.
 
Alba said:
have read that undescended testicles is becoming more common in boy children, along with other "feminine" type traits that are related to environmental pollution and hormonal levels in the womb (I think the culprit is xenoestrogens in plastics and pesticides?)
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Healthy development of reproductive organs is dependent on properly functioning endocrine system (the communication system of glands, hormones and cellular receptors that control the body's internal functions). Some substances have been associated with developmental, reproductive and other health problems in wildlife and laboratory animals. However, as cryptorchidism seems to be running in families it is to be expected that it will be more usual in one breed than others. If a breeder line breeds to dogs with a problem, this particular problem becomes common in this line and possibly the whole breed. That does not mean that xenoestrogens and other environmental factors do not play part. It may be that lot of subtle influences cause the problem in genetically predisposed individuals.

Lida
 
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