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[Lydia]

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(w00t) LOL at pic of you diving for cover Kris,I do know exactly what you and Vicky mean regarding money,I was brought up that if I needed to ask the price of something,I couldn't afford it.

With pups I'm buying I've sometimes only asked how much when I've got to the breeders premises .

LOL,not the wrong time of the month either (haven't had a season since october :- " ) the previous posts are tame for me :devil: .Course I'm a pussycat :charles: with claws................. :thumbsup: o

Lyd

 

[05whippet]

I must say I totally agree about people asking the price of a pup,I recently sold our litter and they all went to people who actually came to see the pups (some from the mainland) & then when they had chosen their pup asked the price as Lydia said she has done in the past.

I feel it is a very difficult process to go through,it is an emotional roller coaster and unless you have bred and homed a litter of pups it is very hard to comprehend just exactly how the breeder feels! You want your pups to go to as good a home as possible and to be able to keep in touch with them and watch them grow up,so you want a good rappor with the new owners and also as Lydia says sort the wheat from the chaff! There are an awful lot of a**holes out there and for every good suitable home there are 20 unsuitable ones so if to prove you are genuine and really interested you have to go through a bit of a grilling so be it!

Lydia you are not the only breeder to care passionately for your pups and I just wish more breeders were a bit more strenuous with their "vetting process" as you are

I hope you find suitable loving homes for the other two, they are all lovely pups :wub:

 

[Vicky]

Hey you should have been a fly on the wall with the one and only bloke who asked me to come down £10 in price!!! (w00t) (w00t)

It doesn't necessarily mean the people with the most money will look after a dog the best (we all know some complete wasters who can lay their hands on a fair bit of money, but couldn't have a dog in good nick if they tried) but i feel that if anything went wrong with one of my pups then if the people didn't grumble about the asking price then they're not likely to grumble about taking the dog to the vets if it has problems.

What makes me sick is people charging stupid money and their being no vetting process at all.

Sometimes the buyers think THEY are doing YOU the favour, when really it is the other way round.

Like the others have said Lyd, you have your pups best interests at heart, your not putting a price tag on them and dumping them on a free ads for sale, and if you're anything like me they will go when you feel it is right and are satisfied with the new owners and not go with a "textbook" ready to leave age.

 

[aslan]

Well there must be something terribly wrong with me then ....

I ALWAYS ask the price of a pup if I am interested in buying one. We're not all made of money and can just open a cheque book and write one for any amount.

I refused to be ripped off and I certainly will not pay an overpriced amount for a pup, no matter how much I want it.

Alternatively, I couldn't bear the embarrassment of getting to a breeder's house, picking the pup I wanted and then finding out I didn't have enough money to pay for it then and there.

And just because I didn't have (say) $1500 to buy the pup, doesn't mean that I wouldn't have $1500 to pay for a vet's bill in the future. I have a good, long standing relationship with my vets and they will let me pay off big bills - there aren't too many breeders who will let you pay off a puppy - they're too frightened of never seeing the rest of the money. I don't let anyone pay off a pup they buy from me - they have to have the money up front, so I wouldn't expect another breeder to allow me to pay one off.

If I knew there was a certain litter coming up and they were expensive (but IMO worth the price) then I would have to know exactly how much they were going to be so I could get the money together.

When I was looking for my import - I had a budget. I couldn't allow myself to spend any more than what I had set down and saved for it. Therefore I had to ask price very early on in the discussion. Luckily Anita didn't give me the boot as soon as I asked the question.....

I am a breeder and a buyer so I have been on both sides of the issue. And I think, as a breeder, if you immediately turf out every person who asks "how much" in the beginning then you could just be passing up some very good homes.

I am one of those good homes.

 

[kim & Tilly]

Well there must be something terribly wrong with me then ....
I ALWAYS ask the price of a pup if I am interested in buying one.  We're not all made of money and can just open a cheque book and write one for any amount. 

I refused to be ripped off and I certainly will not pay an overpriced amount for a pup, no matter how much I want it. 

Alternatively, I couldn't bear the embarrassment of getting to a breeder's house, picking the pup I wanted and then finding out I didn't have enough money to pay for it then and there.

And just because I didn't have (say) $1500 to buy the pup, doesn't mean that I wouldn't have $1500 to pay for a vet's bill  in the future.  I have a good, long standing relationship with my vets and they will let me pay off big bills - there aren't too many breeders who will let you pay off a puppy - they're too frightened of never seeing the rest of the money.  I don't let anyone pay off a pup they buy from me - they have to have the money up front, so I wouldn't expect another breeder to allow me to pay one off.

If I knew there was a certain litter coming up and they were expensive (but IMO worth the price) then I would have to know exactly how much they were going to be so I could get the money together.

When I was looking for my import - I had a budget.  I couldn't allow myself to spend any more than what I had set down and saved for it.  Therefore I had to ask price very early on in the discussion.  Luckily Anita didn't give me the boot as soon as I asked the question.....

I am a breeder and a buyer so I have been on both sides of the issue.  And I think, as a breeder, if you immediately turf out every person who asks "how much" in the beginning then you could just be passing up some very good homes.

I am one of those good homes.

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[SIZE=8pt]That was what i was trying to say.....i would have payed the asking price for the pup , what ever the breeders was asking, if i thought the pup was what i was looking for. (after a private Pm i realised it wasnt and told the breeder so)[/SIZE]

 

IMO, if you are happy to give to people who dont ask the price, then how does that mean they are a good home? they may just have loads of money!!

 

Does money = a good home? understanding? and love?

 

There are people on here who own pets and they are living on a shoes string, yet they love and care for their animals, and would never see them suffer. If they wanted another dog they would have to ask the price so they could get the money together, does that make them bad homes???

 

Also if i am going to a breeder to buy a pup and they jump down my throat, because i didnt follow their rules by the letter (excuse me for getting excited) then i wouldnt feel comfortable getting a pup from them. If i had a question to ask the breeder however small, i would feel stupid asking in case i got shot down and made to feel thick, the pup may then not get the best advice possible.

 

IMO, i have found a breeder who was both approchable, helpful and i would go to him and ask advice anytime i felt i needed to, and he clearly cared about his dogs and where they were going.

 

Kim and Tilly and Bean

 

[*Lesley*]

Well there must be something terribly wrong with me then ....
I ALWAYS ask the price of a pup if I am interested in buying one.   We're not all made of money and can just open a cheque book and write one for any amount. 

I refused to be ripped off and I certainly will not pay an overpriced amount for a pup, no matter how much I want it. 

Alternatively, I couldn't bear the embarrassment of getting to a breeder's house, picking the pup I wanted and then finding out I didn't have enough money to pay for it then and there.

And just because I didn't have (say) $1500 to buy the pup, doesn't mean that I wouldn't have $1500 to pay for a vet's bill  in the future.  I have a good, long standing relationship with my vets and they will let me pay off big bills - there aren't too many breeders who will let you pay off a puppy - they're too frightened of never seeing the rest of the money.  I don't let anyone pay off a pup they buy from me - they have to have the money up front, so I wouldn't expect another breeder to allow me to pay one off.

If I knew there was a certain litter coming up and they were expensive (but IMO worth the price) then I would have to know exactly how much they were going to be so I could get the money together.

When I was looking for my import - I had a budget.  I couldn't allow myself to spend any more than what I had set down and saved for it.  Therefore I had to ask price very early on in the discussion.  Luckily Anita didn't give me the boot as soon as I asked the question.....

I am a breeder and a buyer so I have been on both sides of the issue.  And I think, as a breeder, if you immediately turf out every person who asks "how much" in the beginning then you could just be passing up some very good homes.

I am one of those good homes.

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I think we've been here before but I have to agree with lana realistically whatever you buy you need to know how much it is going to cost, I don't ask the price first these days because I have a ball park idea of what it's going to cost anyway but I wouldn't go to pick up a pup without knowing what I'm paying for it, doesn't deter me and thats why I'm always skint but I'd still ask if I wanted to know

A new potential whippet owner may have the best home in the world waiting but may still be on a budget and have no idea of the 'going rate' of a pup is generally so they would need to ask just to know what they were looking at, I agree it shouldn't be the only question but it has to come in somewhere whether it be first or last :thumbsup:

When I decided I wanted a whippet I had no idea how much they were :unsure: and if the price had been too much at the time, I would have just saved longer and prices vary so much if you just want a whippet to love you may not want to pay show/race prices ect because the fact that they may be champions is irrelevant.

Just my oppinion

 

[LasVegasNo1]

Buying a puppy, like it or not, is a business transaction if money is involved. I can't see the problem in people asking the price of a puppy, we don't all have piles of cash laying around the house, we need to get it together.

Whilst looking for Alfie, one of our many first questions was 'how much?' - I guess that makes us a bad home in some peoples eyes? :unsure: ... or maybe we just genuinally had no idea the average price for a Whippet at the time?!

 

[BeeJay]

I agree with what Lana has said.

>I am a breeder and a buyer so I have been on both sides of the issue. And I think, as a breeder, if you immediately turf out every person who asks "how much" in the beginning then you could just be passing up some very good homes.

I am one of those good homes.

But also if good breeders take offense to people asking how much then they are pushing potential good homes into the hands of people who are just breeding for money.

 

[BeeJay]

>I would have just saved longer and prices vary so much if you just want a whippet to love you may not want to pay show/race prices ect because the fact that they may be champions is irrelevant.

Actually the odd thing with the racing bred pups is that often they are sold at a higher price to non racing homes.

One reason why people might ask the price first is to get it out of the way so that the discussion about the pup can move on to nicer things. There is still a big difference between the selling price of whippets depending on the breeding and part of the country. So all whippets don't sell for the same price - there can be several £100's difference AND the prices keep going up.

Thing about all of this is............... The breeders know that they are potentially over producing puppies, and that they will have to sell the ones that are extra to their own needs, if they haven't got a waiting list of people who they know well then they are going to have to sell pups to people that they don't know. That's the reality of breeding puppies so why all this over sensitivity over someone asking how much.

Buyers need to know how much a pup is being sold for in case they are being ripped off or they can't afford it. Not least because and I'm sorry if this offends anyone. But, in terms of buying a pet, talking over the phone at the enquiry stage about one fawn bitch pup is pretty much like talking about another one. The buyer hasn't met the pup so can hardly have fallen in love with it.

I don't see any problem in someone asking the selling price of a pup as long as they don't then keep going on about it or trying to haggle the price down.

 

[kim & Tilly]

>I would have just saved longer and prices vary so much if you just want a whippet to love you may not want to pay show/race prices ect because the fact that they may be champions is irrelevant.
Actually the odd thing with the racing bred pups is that often they are sold at a higher price to non racing homes. 

One reason why people might ask the price first is to get it out of the way so that the discussion about the pup can move on to nicer things.  There is still a big difference between the selling price of whippets depending on the breeding and part of the country.  So all whippets don't sell for the same price - there can be several £100's difference AND the prices keep going up. 

Thing about all of this is............... The breeders know that they are potentially over producing puppies, and that they will have to sell the ones that are extra to their own needs, if they haven't got a waiting list of people who they know well then they are going to have to sell pups to people that they don't know.  That's the reality of breeding puppies so why all this over sensitivity over someone asking how much.

Buyers need to know how much a pup is being sold for in case they are being ripped off or they can't afford it.  Not least because and I'm sorry if this offends anyone.  But, in terms of buying a pet, talking over the phone at the enquiry stage about one fawn bitch pup is pretty much like talking about another one.  The buyer hasn't met the pup so can hardly have fallen in love with it. 

I don't see any problem in someone asking the selling price of a pup as long as they don't then keep going on about it or trying to haggle the price down.

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Exactly!!!

I asked one time, after all Beejay you know me, and you have said there is a lot of difference in price. so you have to know your starting base line, then you find out the breeding and whether its any good for showing/racing/coursing/etc

IMO as the pup wasnt going to be good for showing or racing the price was very high for a pet. but some people would be happy to pay, but i wanted a racer.....

Anyhow worked out for the best as i now have my racing bean (w00t)

 

[BeeJay]

>Anyhow worked out for the best as i now have my racing bean

And is your Bean a racing around the house and garden? I bet that she is.

At least you didn't have to wait long for another blue bitch pup looking for a home. No time at all in fact. I'm sure that they used to be hard to get but blues seem to be all over the place at the moment.

 

[noopy_101]

i agree the price is something you need to know.

 

[Vicky]

Well maybe it's just me then, but for what whippets cost, if the first question someone asked was how much, i'd be put off. Don't care what other peoples views are, they are mine, and no matter what anyone says, anyone asking the price of a pup first off will never have a pup of mine!

And i'm looking at it from both angles too!

 

[kris]

If anyone else is interested in buying one,contact me through this board,either by email or pm-ing me.I will not discuss anything regarding their sale on a public forum,so don't F***ing ask-o.k.

Lyd

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If I didn't know you, I'd be too scared to ask anything, even by email or PM!

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So would I !!! (w00t) :lol:

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awwww,shes a pussycat! (w00t)

must admit if the first question i was asked about a pup was how much i used to either say if you have to ask the price you cant afford it or id put the phone down! o

lyd,is it THAT time of the month hun!lol! :- "

kris dives for cover!

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please note what i and vikki put in our posts.if the FIRST question i was asked was how much then i would still say you cant afford it.if price is of the first consideration then id prefer not to sell to someone who was only going on the price of a puppy without enquiring into anything else.i think folk have either misread what i put or they havent understood it.of course at some stage they are going to enquire about price.i would expect that.i just think if someone rings me up for a pup and the first thing out of their mouths is how much they id not sell them a pup,as it would seem to me that the price of the pup is the only consideration.if they asked me numerous questions and THEN at the end of the question and answer session (on both sides by the way,as i have a lot of questions i ask a potential buyer and ive turned away far more than ive sold pups to)asked me the price then i wouldnt have a problem with that.preliminary enquiries on both sides can sort out the wheat from the chaff and i can usually tell by the answers folk give me to my enquiries whether they are suitable owners of my pups or not.ive had phone calls in the past and the first question out of their mouths has been how much are the puppies.i usually just put the phone down. :thumbsup:

 

[Vicky]

if the FIRST question i was asked was how much then i would still say you cant afford it.if price is of the first consideration then id prefer not to sell to someone who was only going on the price of a puppy without enquiring into anything else. :thumbsup:

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That's my point entirely, if that's the first question asked then you automatically presume that is that particular persons priority when looking for their pup!

 

[dessie]

We have been here before and my stance is the same as Lyd and Vicky. If the VERY first question is " 'Ow much are your pups love" then I will say I have not got any or think of a ridiculous amount. I do not have a problem telling people how much my puppies are or with them asking but they have got to want a Whippet first and know how much after because if they have done their homework they will know roughly what they should be paying.

It is not so much what people say, it is HOW they say it!!! The price is only one factor that comes into buying/selling puppies. I also will not sell people a bitch puppy if the first thing they are going to do is have it spayed as soon as possible. We have also had heated discussions about this topic.

Once more it is each to their own beliefs and they are mine.

 

[noo]

Id just like to say, (and am bit nervous as I rarely gets involved in discussions here) that I feel it unfair that the price issue should come into it. I understand its a business transaction and I understand that as a breeder you are entitled, as you should be, to sell to whom you see fit, however, we do not all breed and sell whippets, and some of us may need to ask the price question to asscertain whether now is the right time financially to be thinking about a whippet addition. This does NOT mean that we are not worthy, nor does it mean we should be thought of in any negative way

Im happy to say that when I was looking for another pup a while back, I recieved a really positive response from people on the board, one in particular (and yes I asked the price question). It had been 3 years since getting nelly and prices had changed. It wasnt my main concern but im far from well-off and it was something I needed to know. I also realised when asking people about prices, that different breeders price differently. In some cases a lot different. There is ped and non-ped, racing and showing etc etc. I was given prices between about £200 - £450 and for someone purchasing a whippy who isnt that in the know, it IS important to understand what the differences in price mean. Its also been a learning curve for someone like me, who loves the breed but doesnt know much about this side of things.

Just another opinion

 

[kim & Tilly]

I guess my

'Do you still have the blue

How much are they'

Could have been taken the wrong way, but i was really excited that a blue bitch had come up, i would have paid anything for her but had to go and ask hubby and he would have asked how much they were.....money is something he looks after

I paid a good price for Bean and i have taken her to have her injections and will be microchipped and i will get insurance, the same as i did for tilly. They are both well looked after, loved and wanted. This is a good home....

My excitement came over as only being interested in the cost which was not the case at all.........

 

[noo]

And just to add (sos for going on). I've actually decided to wait and go with the more a expensive breeder at some point because she is knowledgable, gave me time over the phone, was friendly, happy to give advice, loves her dogs, realised how much I love mine and that I would be a suitable buyer, and well, she was simply just nice (which at the end of the day costs nowt). I wouldnt have come to any of these conclusions or recieved such good info had she been dismissive because I asked about price.

 

[dessie]

And just to add (sos for going on).  I've actually decided to wait and go with the more a expensive breeder at some point because she is knowledgable, gave me time over the phone, was friendly, happy to give advice, loves her dogs, realised how much I love mine and that I would be a suitable buyer, and well, she was simply just nice (which at the end of the day costs nowt). I wouldnt have come to any of these conclusions or recieved such good info had she been dismissive because I asked about price.

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As I said before, it is HOW you ask about price and what else is said during the course of the conversation not the fact that you asked the price!!!