Rspca Pulls Out Of Crufts

[Janimal]

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I used to always give generously to the RSPCA up until a couple of years ago...when I had a problem with some cats that were bestowed upon me by their owner who just up sticks and left them for me to care for...

To cut a long story short I rang the RSPCA....and they said they couldnt really help as the cats were being fed and cared for ( by me I add) :angry: :angry: the woman I spoke to promised to drop me a cat trap cage off.....2 years later Im still waiting ....and I left several messages...on machines because I could never get anyone in person to speak to...

They definitely wont be getting any more donations from me...

(The cats were all rehomed by me....not a scrap of help from RSPCA)

 

[bertha]

That is the wonderful RSPCA for you.

 

[Hebridean]

whats needed is an animal welfare police force like in the states .lock em up an throw away the key (w00t) attitude a force with real power :thumbsup:

You must be joking, if a voluntary, publicy funded organisation can gender as much ill-feeling as the RSPCA, why on earth would you want to give them statutory powers. The mind boggles........

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obviousley you didnt read mr thread properly did i say the rspca should do it no the force is part of the real police force with proper powers of arrest and prosecution if you have sky or virgin watch it. :thumbsup:

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Some years ago an "anonymous" caller reported that my (two) whippets were locked in my car and in distress - lies of course. Anyway the police came out and asked me to show them the car. Needless to say, the dogs were quite happily lying across the back seat asleep. The police officer was very nice and said that she could see that the dogs were happy and well cared for - BUT I was lucky that the RSPCA had not been called out (they were too busy!) as they would have smashed the windows and taken the dogs away without even trying to find me. Wonderful! I would never give them a penny again.

 

[filip]

If you watched the documetary and you still see no problem, you should have your head examend by a schrink.

They've shown x-rays of skeletonproblems at big champions.

The Pekinese Crufts winner drops dead if he doesn't sit on an icepillow!

How can anyone defend such a thing? How can you see those Cavaliers and say there's no problem?

 

[beaker]

If you watched the documetary and you still see no problem, you should have your head examend by a schrink.
They've shown x-rays of skeletonproblems at big champions.

The Pekinese Crufts winner drops dead if he doesn't sit on an icepillow!

How can anyone defend such a thing? How can you see those Cavaliers and say there's no problem?

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i don't think anyone here is saying there are no problems at all in pedigree dogs, what most people are objecting to is the apparent disinterest in trying to find a workable way forward from the accusing parties who'd rather favour the less helpful "finger pointing and run away" technique instead.

though the flattened face of a Pekinese is a contributory factor to the over heating problem under the very hot spotlights at crufts, i'm sure the coat also played a major part as well,

my friend has to clip the underside of her Siberian Husky during the summer months for his own comfort,(she couldn't if she showed him) she also has cool packs for him to lie on if he gets too hot, would you rather she crossed him with greyhound to try and thin the next generations coat, or continue taking steps like using ice packs for his own comfort while he resides in a country with temperatures above that of his homeland?

so come on, instead of knee jerking with " all pedigree dog breeders have unhealthy dogs and should be burnt at the stake" how about coming up with a sensible, usefull, workable solution instead

 

[wilfred]

If you watched the documetary and you still see no problem, you should have your head examend by a schrink.
They've shown x-rays of skeletonproblems at big champions.

The Pekinese Crufts winner drops dead if he doesn't sit on an icepillow!

How can anyone defend such a thing? How can you see those Cavaliers and say there's no problem?

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Hello filip and welcome to K9.

I am not being rude, but have you read ALL of the posts on this thread, starting at page 1? May I refer you to the post I made on page 2 about breeds with deformities needing sorting out PDQ? and puppy farmers - where are the RSPCA there? Also, other people have made similar comments to mine.

This thread is certainly not defending breeders who breed deformed dogs (Cavaliers skulls/brains being one of the points made), but so many people have negative first-hand experience of the RSPCA, and that's what they are saying on this thread.

No mention was made by the makers of that programme (which has sparked all this off) about all the breeders of various breeds of dog, who have the animals' health, temperaments and wellbeing as paramount - breeders who only breed from dogs who have had their necessary health checks and got good, clear results, before going ahead with matings (ie breeds which need low hipscores, clear eye tests and so on); instead the programme makers had their own agenda and focused only on the aspects of dog breeding and showing which supported their claims. It's a little like watching the news on TV every night - no one ever tells you all the good, positive things - instead, it's the negative, frightening things which make the headlines (accidents, deaths, murders, etc etc).

Obviously all right-minded people would like there to be an end to animals' suffering and to deliberately breed from ill, sickly animals with deformities caused by peoples' desires to win when exhibiting is wicked, in my view. But there has to be a way forward, with animal charities working in partnership perhaps with the KC, and everyone to consider how to move forward from this. In this country, it is not illegal to breed from your dog if you so desire, and not every person who breeds from their dog is aware of the health checks for their breed, or indeed not every person cares (puppy farmers? backyard breeders who raise litters to afford a holiday or a conservatory? and believe me these people exist).

So, what should happen next? Should there be a law passed so that no one could breed a litter AT ALL before they have proved themselves in some way? And how would this be policed? And indeed, would everyone abide by these rules? People who breed so-called Labradoodles (don't get me started!!) etc etc generally don't seem to have much regard for health checks, if indeed many of them know such checks exist, do they know what the results will be when they deliberately cross 2 breeds? And they charge much more (if their adverts are to be believed) than reputable caring breeders of pedigree dogs.

The RSPCA could also do with putting their own house in order before they start pointing the finger at others - and that's one of the points I, and many others, have been making on this thread.

 

[maggie217]

If you watched the documetary and you still see no problem, you should have your head examend by a schrink.They've shown x-rays of skeletonproblems at big champions.

The Pekinese Crufts winner drops dead if he doesn't sit on an icepillow!

How can anyone defend such a thing? How can you see those Cavaliers and say there's no problem?

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Hi Filip

No one on this thread has said that there are no problems. This thread has shown how many people have had bad experiences of the RSPCA but that doesn't mean they are saying there are no breed problems.

I think all who have posted would like to see problems in some breeds sorted out. The KC together with breed clubs have made some moves in the right direction but not enough nor quickly enough. But with the best will in the world it won't happen over night, although a much tougher stance needs to be taken.

Pauline

 

[affieluver]

exactly pauline no one said there wasnt any problems with certain breeds i think its perfectly clear to everyone now that programme has been aired that there most definately is.

things are just not going to happen to improve any breed over night lets hope in years to come people will have more care taken in what they are breeding

 

[bedlington]

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obviousley you didnt read mr thread properly did i say the rspca should do it

I'll give you that one..........

As to the comments about whether there are problems with certain breeds, yes there are. Trouble is, the programme in question inferred that all 'pedigree' dogs had problems. They used specifics to argue a generality, almost impossible to counter when dealing with an otherwise ill-informed public. In all cases it is the 'anti's' best weapon, and, make no mistake, these programme makers are anti's. They don't deal in reason.............

 

[maggie217]

As to the comments about whether there are problems with certain breeds, yes there are. Trouble is, the programme in question inferred that all 'pedigree' dogs had problems. They used specifics to argue a generality, almost impossible to counter when dealing with an otherwise ill-informed public. In all cases it is the 'anti's' best weapon, and, make no mistake, these programme makers are anti's. They don't deal in reason.............

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Very well put :thumbsup:

Pauline

 

[bindi boo]

heres food for thought, the BBC aired the documentery slating the kc, YES?

which station is it that shows Crufts? BBC  :- "

surely this is somthing to be asked....

will Crufts be aired on the BBC next year? :blink:

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i heard that theyre thinking about not showing it on bbc again but im not sure how true it is

 

[maggie217]

heres food for thought, the BBC aired the documentery slating the kc, YES?

which station is it that shows Crufts? BBC  :- "

surely this is somthing to be asked....

will Crufts be aired on the BBC next year? :blink:

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i heard that theyre thinking about not showing it on bbc again but im not sure how true it is

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And the BBC slated the RSPCA on Radio 4 Tues evening - listen here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00djvnw/

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Pauline

 

[urchin]

I think one of the very good things that the programme did was to inform the general public that a glowing KC report (ie high profile show wins) is no guarantee at all of the soundness of an animal. I honestly think that up to the programme being aired, most people would have assumed that any dog who even qualified for crufts must be of excellent stock.

I also believe that the kind of people who would perpetuate such suffering in their lines in order to have a crack at the glory, are exactly the kind of people who would rethink their breeding practices if the KC insisted on health certificated breeding programmes.

As well as improving the health of show bred lines, this would also have a positive side effect for the pet owning public. A clear choice between a health screened pedigree pup or a take-your-chances pup from elsewhere.

For the KC to shrug their shoulders with a hey-what-can-we-do-about-it air, I feel is shirking their responsibilities.

However, and this is a really big HOWEVER.....

I am also in the camp who has no great respect for the RSPCA. Twice I have attempted to enlist their help with an animal in need - both times their response was 'naaaah, can't help' - not even with a suggestion of who might be able to!

But I bet is I rang their Legacy department to discuss my will, they would have plenty of time to talk to me :rant:

 

[cyfrin]

From Sky News~~

[SIZE=14pt]Pet food giant Pedigree has dropped its sponsorship of Crufts dog show after 44 years.[/SIZE]

 

[phill]

Yes,Just read the same in the newspaper.You always thought of Crufts and Pedigree in the same breath :blink:

I see a downturn in next years Crufts,But maybe not a bad thing as it gets way too packed and i have brought up the fire risks....etc before.