Scratch Racing/breeding

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Still 5 looking really content now ...will get some pics soon

 

[RealMadYid]

Since I took a bit of bit stick last week about breeding large 'whippets' to greyhounds I have done some further research. I have spoken to lurcher people, long dog people and the like on various websites. Basically, all agree 'non-pedigree whippet racing' is about small 'whippet' type lurcher's. However, most state a 'true' lurcher originally was a greyhound bred to working long coated breed, most likely a collie. However, this has changed over the years, and whippet types with various other breeds have been accepted as lurcher's, because in their opinion they are still of lurcher type, either rough coated, or smooth. I personally believe (and I'll be ripped to shreds again) all dogs within 'non-pedigree whippet racing' should be breed to be within the 'whippet type' guidelines. What that is I'm not too sure now, and I actually find commenting on this topic a little intimidating, as it's likely I'll take further abuse. However, I do not believe half whippet greyhounds should be breed to greyhounds and then run under the banner of 'non-pedigree whippets'. Like I said it is a personal opinion (and no more abuse please). If however, the larger dogs continue to be part of our sport, how do we handicap over 60lb dogs against dogs weighing less than 40lb in Supreme run-offs? Kinda crazy to me, when in the handicap a yard could be the difference between 1st and 2nd...Like I said, something to discuss...hopefully in an adult way...

Regards,

Paul

And, I forgot ALL our dogs are lurcher's.

 

[Paws123]

Hi paul the NNWRF have introduced a new scr class this year to see how it works ...

New Scr Class added 40lb to 48lb

So our scr racing is No Limit , upto 40lb & upto 48lb

 

[RealMadYid]

Possibly the way forward...but could a 38 pounder run-off levels against a 60 pounder...I guess that will remain? However, the idea appears to be enlightened. Cos, after speaking to some racers they want to breed bigger, cos they feel they have little chance against the 'no limits'. Good Luck with it.

Regards,

Paul

 

[Karen-Coral]

I think others should follow the North West and if its popular introduce 400 plus as a distance with the extra two bends for these bigger dogs ===would be great to watch thats for sure---- at no extra cost to anyone----something special for the big dogs just for a change---

Steve

 

[mutley]

speak for your own dogs paul mine aint lurchers yet

 

[rodders]

Possibly the way forward...but could a 38 pounder run-off levels against a 60 pounder...I guess that will remain? However, the idea appears to be enlightened. Cos, after speaking to some racers they want to breed bigger, cos they feel they have little chance against the 'no limits'. Good Luck with it.
Regards,

Paul

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Looks like bigguns are catching on then Paul :thumbsup: Karen

 

[RealMadYid]

speak for your own dogs paul mine aint lurchers yet

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Dunno Gary, as I have been told my dogs are 'lurcher's' by someone on here, so I guess technically all our dogs are...aren't they? :b :b Or are some more lurcher than others? To be honest I dunno, if I get stopped in the street and asked about my dogs, I always say 'whippet type' and when pushed, explain they are bred for speed, as opposed to look...don't you agree? No dog in 'non-ped whippet' racing is pure whippet, if they were there wouldn't be 'non-ped' racing....Kinda makes sense, I guess..

Paul

 

[Paws123]

So true paul there all sighthounds

 

[dazgail]

Paul
And, I forgot ALL our dogs are lurcher's.

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At last some people with common sense...i have been saying this for a while. Which only proves that those who have non ped's are entitled to race their dogs at either lurcher racing or non ped racing or both should they wish to.

 

[gary farmer]

HI DARREN WELL LETS TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MAGICAL DREAMS NEXT MATING

IM SURE PAUL WILL HAVE SOMETHING SARCASTIC TO SAY BUT WHAT THE HELL

IM NOT GOING TO ANSWER HIS POSTS AS HE IS SO ONE SITED

IT IS MAGICAL DREAMS X MUSTANG MADDIE

MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HOW SHE IS BRED AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER

IT MIGHT HELP THE PUPS TO GET THERE NEW HOMES

GARY

 

[dazgail]

HI DARREN WELL LETS TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MAGICAL DREAMS NEXT MATINGIM SURE PAUL WILL HAVE SOMETHING SARCASTIC TO SAY BUT WHAT THE HELL

IM NOT GOING TO ANSWER HIS POSTS AS HE IS SO ONE SITED

IT IS MAGICAL DREAMS X MUSTANG MADDIE

MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HOW SHE IS BRED AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER

IT MIGHT HELP THE PUPS TO GET THERE NEW HOMES

GARY 

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Gary, her non-ped registered name was Irelands Little Dream. She is due to come into season in a few weeks time and things are looking promising as Shannon is beginning to take a wee bit of interest in her pee at the moment so he must sense something in the air.

Her breeding is Grahams Dream x Little Lyndz. Graham's Dream doesn't need no introduction but i'm sure Graham could post a few of his title's and his first mating to Little Lyndz produced champions such as Sexy Rexy, Anthonys Dream.

Maddy was soley used for lurcher racing on both sides of the water and in approx. 50 races including heats she lost only twice. First time she lost was her first race after an 18 month lay off because i stopped racing her due to nothing to compete against. This 1st race back was approx. 100 yards and over very rough ground in which she sustained a shoulder injury as diagnosed by Brian Jones. She was kept on the lead for 10 days and given a couple of hand gallops and then entered into the All Irelands. She came 2nd in her heat to due to the lure being slowed on a few occasions and stopped while she was in the lead but then went on to win the final. This was her last race as she tore her second gracillis muscle a few weeks later. When she was running at her best i schooled her around the local greyhound track where she was only 0.13 seconds, just under 2 lengths, slower than the track record from the traps to the first bend. This is not just hearsay as I still have the printout given to me from the track owner and will scan it in, ie that time was recorded by greyhounds that would be contending for National Sprint Champion.

She was registered with the BWRA with the intention of racing in the BWRA championships at Warwick. We travelled over 1 week before the championships to give her a trail around Warwick. After a 2 hour boat journey and 6 hours of driving with half an hour rest she posted a time of 16.13, bearing in mind all the travelling and this being her 1st time around Warwick and the first time using a kickboard. We didn't get to go back over the following week to race the championship due to a few circumstances which was won by Banjo in a time of 16.07.

Well Gary, you did ask...sorry if was lengthy.

Maybe you or Graham could post a wee bit of info on Magical Dreams, breeding etc and some of his times before his injury.

Let's just hope all goes well.

Darren

 

[dazgail]

Maddy is just over 23 inches to the shoulder and weighs approx 48-50 lbs.

 

[milly]

HI DARREN WELL LETS TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MAGICAL DREAMS NEXT MATINGIM SURE PAUL WILL HAVE SOMETHING SARCASTIC TO SAY BUT WHAT THE HELL

IM NOT GOING TO ANSWER HIS POSTS AS HE IS SO ONE SITED

IT IS MAGICAL DREAMS X MUSTANG MADDIE

MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HOW SHE IS BRED AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER

IT MIGHT HELP THE PUPS TO GET THERE NEW HOMES

GARY 

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Gary, her non-ped registered name was Irelands Little Dream. She is due to come into season in a few weeks time and things are looking promising as Shannon is beginning to take a wee bit of interest in her pee at the moment so he must sense something in the air.

Her breeding is Grahams Dream x Little Lyndz. Graham's Dream doesn't need no introduction but i'm sure Graham could post a few of his title's and his first mating to Little Lyndz produced champions such as Sexy Rexy, Anthonys Dream.

Maddy was soley used for lurcher racing on both sides of the water and in approx. 50 races including heats she lost only twice. First time she lost was her first race after an 18 month lay off because i stopped racing her due to nothing to compete against. This 1st race back was approx. 100 yards and over very rough ground in which she sustained a shoulder injury as diagnosed by Brian Jones. She was kept on the lead for 10 days and given a couple of hand gallops and then entered into the All Irelands. She came 2nd in her heat to due to the lure being slowed on a few occasions and stopped while she was in the lead but then went on to win the final. This was her last race as she tore her second gracillis muscle a few weeks later. When she was running at her best i schooled her around the local greyhound track where she was only 0.13 seconds, just under 2 lengths, slower than the track record from the traps to the first bend. This is not just hearsay as I still have the printout given to me from the track owner and will scan it in, ie that time was recorded by greyhounds that would be contending for National Sprint Champion.

She was registered with the BWRA with the intention of racing in the BWRA championships at Warwick. We travelled over 1 week before the championships to give her a trail around Warwick. After a 2 hour boat journey and 6 hours of driving with half an hour rest she posted a time of 16.13, bearing in mind all the travelling and this being her 1st time around Warwick and the first time using a kickboard. We didn't get to go back over the following week to race the championship due to a few circumstances which was won by Banjo in a time of 16.07.

Well Gary, you did ask...sorry if was lengthy.

Maybe you or Graham could post a wee bit of info on Magical Dreams, breeding etc and some of his times before his injury.

Let's just hope all goes well.

Darren

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Don't forget RSCH Stunner :thumbsup: he was a great bend dog, and I can remember some of the scratch men moaning about his size, but people have short memories.

Geoff

 

[rodders]

HI DARREN WELL LETS TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MAGICAL DREAMS NEXT MATINGIM SURE PAUL WILL HAVE SOMETHING SARCASTIC TO SAY BUT WHAT THE HELL

IM NOT GOING TO ANSWER HIS POSTS AS HE IS SO ONE SITED

IT IS MAGICAL DREAMS X MUSTANG MADDIE

MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HOW SHE IS BRED AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER

IT MIGHT HELP THE PUPS TO GET THERE NEW HOMES

GARY 

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Glad you've decided on the dog you're gonna use across Maddie,Darren. :thumbsup: Looks like the competition in Ireland will be hotting up over the next few years.Hopefully some of this litter will come over here.Will help to expand the ever increasing scratch races Karen

 

[dazgail]

Karen,

Gary Farmer will be breeding from her. I am sending her over to him and it will be him pupping her. When she came into season last year i spoke to Gary on the phone but it didn't suit him to breed of her last year. As she is due to come into season shortly i phoned him to let him know and he is now in a position to pup her. If all goes well they will be his pups and it's up to him what to do with them. I hope they go to racings homes whether over here or in the mainland. There have been a few murmurs already but as both parents are registered non-peds that should silence the critics in the non-ped section and identical breeding raced in the last couple of years at lurcher racing without complaint in both Engalnd and over here that should silence the critics in the lurcher section so i guess it should be quiet and smooth from now on in (w00t) yeah right...who am i kidding :teehee: . Guess the critics and grumblers will look for another angle to criticise from now. By the way my mobile number is 07921864859.....If anyone wants to ring with threatening phone calls and you hear someone on the other end of the phone laughing don't be too surprised (w00t) :lol:

 

[wild whippies]

Sent you a text!

 

[RealMadYid]

HI DARREN WELL LETS TELL EVERYONE ABOUT MAGICAL DREAMS NEXT MATINGIM SURE PAUL WILL HAVE SOMETHING SARCASTIC TO SAY BUT WHAT THE HELL

IM NOT GOING TO ANSWER HIS POSTS AS HE IS SO ONE SITED

IT IS MAGICAL DREAMS X MUSTANG MADDIE

MAYBE YOU CAN TELL US HOW SHE IS BRED AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER

IT MIGHT HELP THE PUPS TO GET THERE NEW HOMES

GARY 

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Thanks again Gary, for accusing me of be being single sighted, or sarcastic. That is NOT my intention, as you can see from my posts. My view, and I guess I'm still entitled to that is that breeding large dogs to greyhounds is against the spirit of racing 'whippet type' dogs...that is all. I ain't slagging anyone, accusing anyone of anything, nothing of the sort. But, I will add many within the sport (who sadly don't have either access to this site, or would feel intimidated) are concerned about the continued use of greyhounds. Some of which actually have no problem with the 'no-limit' dogs, but struggle to understand why we are getting close to having dogs in our sport who can only run during the winter months as they struggle to get them them into whippet traps in the summer.

So, please stop SLAGGING me and undermining my views, I have never undermined anyone on this site.

In fact I rejoined the club and the BWRA yesterday to get going again in the sport, and actually wished I ain't bothered....

Regards,

Paul

 

[gary farmer]

There will be just a few whippet x greyhounds at the club this year paul

maybe you could ask for your money back before it is sent off LOL

or just get on with your racing and stop trying to tell me how to breed my dogs

Do yourself a favour you have a great stud dog there that i would have been happy to put to any of my bitches .Stop you constant bitching and maybe more people would use him.

GARY

 

[mutley]

its not like you dont bring it on yourself paul :- " if ya cant take it dont give it :angry: we need more dogs in the sport not less