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Sorry to bring up this old chestnut again.

Could the people who appealed to the bwra regarding the new rulings on scratch dogs clarify which rule they appealed against the start date on?

The orginal vote that took place at the agm was that both the 55lb & the greyhound progeny ruling would start from the date of the agm. Then after appeals from members a statement was issued by the bwra which i and many others thought implied that both the 55lb cap & greyhound progeny rule would be given a period of 10 weeks grace from the date of the original agm to allow for any bitches mated before the date of the meeting.

I was in agreement with both the rulings, however it now seems only one of the rulings were given a 10 week period of grace. To me this is wrong.

quoted from the bwra statement

The Committee has also considered appeals of mating bred, but not registered before the proposal came in. It was felt to be unfair to these pups as purchasers had no prior knowledge of the implementation of this New Rule.Therefore the Committee has decided a period of amnesty.

Ten weeks from the 14th December 2008 AGM date. An allowance has been made for those litters born during this period and they will be allowed registration with the BWRA.

All litters born after the 22nd February 2009 deadline. From this date forward the new ruling will apply to all litters not conforming to the New BWRA ruling and will not be allowed to register as a BWRA whippet"

The highlighted section is to me what is the misleading part of the statement and implies the bwra felt it was unfair to eliminate dogs already born. This affects both the breeding & the 55lb cap and nowhere does it say the original start date of the agm for the 55lb would be adhered to.

many scratch racers saw this coming - there's now a newcomer to the sport who bought a dog as a non pedigree whippet from a repeat mating of bigland boy x mismatch mini who has gone over the 55lb weight cap. The revised start date is not only unclear to him but also the majority of our club members who were under the impression that because this dog was already born before that "new" start date and one ruling which would potentially eliminate dogs was given a period of grace that also the 55lb cap ruling was given the same leeway, and the dog would be ok to register.
 
LET THE DOG RUN AND STOP TURNING PUPS AWAY

ITS WELOME TO RUN AT ANY NNWRF EVENT

I DONT THINK WE SHOULD BE TURNING ANY NEW MEMBERS AWAY

TO MANY PETI RULES NOW MADE WITH NO THOUGHT OF HOW THEY WILL WORK

WHY NOT JUST ASK VICKI MARK SHE IS ON THE TOP TABLE IM SURE SHE WILL KNOW LOL :D

GARY
 
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the way i understood it was if they were born before the ruling came into play then they could regester ,but its a tricky one, dont know if they said as long as they dont go over the weight cap of 55 .personaly i think it should be able to race as long as it was born in the time before the rule came in.
 
Any non-ped born before this ruling came into force should be allowed to be registered regardless of weight or its breeding :thumbsup:
 
Totally agree any dogs born before the date agreed by the bwra should not be included in the ruleing regardless of size or weight
 
MARK THE OWNER BOUGHT A PUP OUT OF THE BIGLAND BOY MISMATCH MINI REPEAT MATING HE OBVIOUSLY KNEW HE WAS BUYING A SCRATCH DOG BUT COULDNT HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD GO OVER THE 55 LBS LIMIT.IT WAS BEFORE THE RULE WAS INTRODUCED SO HE HAS GOT TO BE ALLOWED TO RUN.I AGREE WITH THE 55 LBS LIMIT BUT IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES COMMON SENSE HAS TO APPLY.BY ALL ACCOUNTS HE CAN REALLY RUN BETTER GRADE HIM AT WESSY LOL
 
as far as i knew if the pup was bred b4 the bwra agm it can still run regardless of breeding size etc. so of couse it shud b able to run.
 
I thought there was leeway given to the offspring of a bitch already mated before that date
 
In complete agreement with you Mark.How can a period of amnesty be offered on one of the rulings only :wacko:Your highlighted part quite clearly applys to the owner of the pup that has now gone over 55lb.It would be totally unfair of the BWRA to not allow this dog to run.When I walked out of the AGM,I was under no illusion and accepted the fact that our pup if going over the 55lb weight would not be able to run.(He didn't :sweating: :lol: ).Then quite rightly in my eyes :thumbsup: the BWRA provided an amnesty period for pups that were already born or concieved.The dog you mention falls into this category,so I can't see what the problem is.The new rules are now in place and will have an effect on whippet racing of the future.I'm sure we can trust the BWRA to do whats fair to ALL :thumbsup:
 
In complete agreement with you Mark.How can a period of amnesty be offered on one of the rulings only :wacko:Your highlighted part quite clearly applys to the owner of the pup that has now gone over 55lb.It would be totally unfair of the BWRA to not allow this dog to run.When I walked out of the AGM,I was under no illusion and accepted the fact that our pup if going over the 55lb weight would not be able to run.(He didn't :sweating: :lol: ).Then quite rightly in my eyes :thumbsup: the BWRA provided an amnesty period for pups that were already born or concieved.The dog you mention falls into this category,so I can't see what the problem is.The new rules are now in place and will have an effect on whippet racing of the future.I'm sure we can trust the BWRA to do whats fair to ALL :thumbsup:
#STRANGE THAT KAREN COS WHEN I MADE AN APPEAL

I WAS TOLD THAT MY PUPS COULD NOW BE REGISTERD AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT GO OVER THE 55LB LIMIT

IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN THEN MY REGISTRATION WOULD BE WITHDRAWN AND MY MONEIS WOULD BE RETURNED

BUT I STILL SAY THE DOGS IN QUESTION SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN

GARY
 
In complete agreement with you Mark.How can a period of amnesty be offered on one of the rulings only :wacko:Your highlighted part quite clearly applys to the owner of the pup that has now gone over 55lb.It would be totally unfair of the BWRA to not allow this dog to run.When I walked out of the AGM,I was under no illusion and accepted the fact that our pup if going over the 55lb weight would not be able to run.(He didn't :sweating: :lol: ).Then quite rightly in my eyes :thumbsup: the BWRA provided an amnesty period for pups that were already born or concieved.The dog you mention falls into this category,so I can't see what the problem is.The new rules are now in place and will have an effect on whippet racing of the future.I'm sure we can trust the BWRA to do whats fair to ALL :thumbsup:
#STRANGE THAT KAREN COS WHEN I MADE AN APPEAL

I WAS TOLD THAT MY PUPS COULD NOW BE REGISTERD AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT GO OVER THE 55LB LIMIT

IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN THEN MY REGISTRATION WOULD BE WITHDRAWN AND MY MONEIS WOULD BE RETURNED

BUT I STILL SAY THE DOGS IN QUESTION SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN

GARY
Not sure what you mean by 'Strange'Gary?
 
is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??

if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise ;)
 
is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise ;)
yes its the same litter and i thought the same
 
is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise ;)
Before the amnesty John,it wouldn't have mattered if he'd registered it,the day it was born as if it's gone over the weight the owner would have had his money returned
 
In complete agreement with you Mark.How can a period of amnesty be offered on one of the rulings only :wacko:Your highlighted part quite clearly applys to the owner of the pup that has now gone over 55lb.It would be totally unfair of the BWRA to not allow this dog to run.When I walked out of the AGM,I was under no illusion and accepted the fact that our pup if going over the 55lb weight would not be able to run.(He didn't :sweating: :lol: ).Then quite rightly in my eyes :thumbsup: the BWRA provided an amnesty period for pups that were already born or concieved.The dog you mention falls into this category,so I can't see what the problem is.The new rules are now in place and will have an effect on whippet racing of the future.I'm sure we can trust the BWRA to do whats fair to ALL :thumbsup:
#STRANGE THAT KAREN COS WHEN I MADE AN APPEAL

I WAS TOLD THAT MY PUPS COULD NOW BE REGISTERD AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT GO OVER THE 55LB LIMIT

IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN THEN MY REGISTRATION WOULD BE WITHDRAWN AND MY MONEIS WOULD BE RETURNED

BUT I STILL SAY THE DOGS IN QUESTION SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN

GARY
Not sure what you mean by 'Strange'Gary?
DONT LOOK TO DEEP IN TO IT KAREN I MEAN FUNNY THAT :D

GARY
 
is black pearl same litter as bigland bailey??
if so why wait untill now to register it.??

if it's not the same litter i apologise ;)
The dog didn't run in company until November 09 - i personally wouldn't bother paying my membership & registration for one BWRA regional event either, i'd wait until the following year.
 
In complete agreement with you Mark.How can a period of amnesty be offered on one of the rulings only :wacko:Your highlighted part quite clearly applys to the owner of the pup that has now gone over 55lb.It would be totally unfair of the BWRA to not allow this dog to run.When I walked out of the AGM,I was under no illusion and accepted the fact that our pup if going over the 55lb weight would not be able to run.(He didn't :sweating: :lol: ).Then quite rightly in my eyes :thumbsup: the BWRA provided an amnesty period for pups that were already born or concieved.The dog you mention falls into this category,so I can't see what the problem is.The new rules are now in place and will have an effect on whippet racing of the future.I'm sure we can trust the BWRA to do whats fair to ALL :thumbsup:
#STRANGE THAT KAREN COS WHEN I MADE AN APPEAL

I WAS TOLD THAT MY PUPS COULD NOW BE REGISTERD AS LONG AS THEY DID NOT GO OVER THE 55LB LIMIT

IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN THEN MY REGISTRATION WOULD BE WITHDRAWN AND MY MONEIS WOULD BE RETURNED

BUT I STILL SAY THE DOGS IN QUESTION SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN

GARY
Not sure what you mean by 'Strange'Gary?
DONT LOOK TO DEEP IN TO IT KAREN I MEAN FUNNY THAT :D

GARY
Going on what you've just put then,the BWRA are only applying the amnesty to the breeding rule and not to the capping rule :wacko: I can't for the life of me see how an amnesty can apply to some litters and not others.It appears compleatly unjust.Hope the rep from the owners region is taking this up on behalf of the owner.
 
GOOD GOD KAREN

I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT IT

ME AND YOU AGREE ON SOMETHING (w00t)

THE WORLDS GONE MAD :D

GARY
 

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